How come humans have not evolved into a higher species?

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The Bible is not as accurate in this case as modern math.
More accurate because the Bible gives you the thickness of the vessel. Pi in science does not exist because there is no depth. I did drafting before the computer. The thickness of a line on a drawing could be two or three inches. We always marked our drawing NTS, NOT TO SCALE. Even though they were very much to scale other then taking the thickness of the line into consideration. So when the Bible says brim to brim and round about they are talking about inside measurement AND outside measurement. This is real vessel in the real world that had depth.

You must be using the skeptics bible for your reference. If so you are going to run into may dead ends using that kind of defunct logic. Those things are written by reprobates for skeptics and scoffers. YOU can not argue against an infidel because they totally lack logic and reason in their thinking. As Christians we are to have the mind of Christ and the divine thoughts of God. There are may scriptures in the Bible about wisdom, knowledge and understanding. When we study the Hebrew language we see that the letters are symbols like they use in Chemistry. Words are not made up of sounds like the phonics people want us to believe. When God created the cosmos, He used words. Every letter in the word said: וַיֹּ֥אמֶר has meaning. In the NT Jesus was the word. This is logos in Greek. The word we get logic from. So to know God you have to know logic, reason, understanding, wisdom, knowledge and so on. People with a reprobate mind lacks all of this and they not going to understand.

My son is working on his degree in computer engineering. HE was taking classes at three different universities when he was still in high school. He said they were paying $30,000 a year for his college classes. He has very little empathy for the dead heads that did not take their high school education serious. The ones that hate their job at McDonalds. God writes the book of our life before we are even born. We have to apply ourselves to develop the gifts, talents and abilities that He gives us. We need to use what we have to bring Him honor and glory. The skeptics, scoffers and mockers can not expect to receive anything from God because of their disrespect & disregard for Him. They know God but they allow the devil to fill their head with defunct ideas and thinking.
 
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Isaiah 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth,
Translations are not always good because even the translators had issues. This passage has to do with the orbit of the earth. A better word is circuit. It literally means a guard walking around what he is guarding. ONLY the mean is much more because this talks about the seasons in the year and in our life. The days, weeks, months, years that just keep going around in their circle or their circuit. Yet like a tree we learn and we grow and we gain a little bit every time we go around. In understanding the Bible we really do not begin to understand until we have studies the Bible for 40 years. IN the Hebrew faith there are things they do not study until they are at least 40 years of age. Just like the Children of Israel wondered in the desert for 40 years before they could enter into the promised land. Moses use to go on 40 day fasts when he would seek God.

The letters in Hebrew start off very simple and very basic. The A stands for the head of an Ox. The B stands for a Tent, The C stands for a Camel, the D stands for a door. As you develop these symbols you see that an Ox has strength and is the leader of the herd. The Tent today could be a high rise apartment building and a camel could represent a jet airplane. So we need to study the meaning of the letters that make up the words. This should be taught in Kindergarten. For me that was so much they did not teach us in public school and this is why so many people are very bored with their school experience. They end up with a lot of drivel and revisionism that reduces the meaning of life to nothing. God is life, health and healing. Satan is death and destruction. People have to choose between life and death, blessing and curse sickness or health, poverty or prosperity. The right choice does not always appear to be easy. Although it turns out to be alot easier when we do what is right and make the right choices.
 
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Because recorded history is a blip on the map. Besides, evolution is visible in various aspects of humankind.
. First off there no such thing as a higher or lower species. You and the Bacteria you spit into the sink this morning have a genetic ancestry that goes back 3.8 billion years.Your lineage goes back to bacteria and so does any bacterium . Humans do evolve in response to local environmental pressures and they obviously did this in the past otherwise we wouldn’t have the different skin colors , food tolerances and body shapes we do.
 
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Any circle circumference is a multiple of pi . It doesn’t matter if it is the inside or outside circumference of a round vessel. That’s just silly to say that pi is 3 because it’s in the Bible . Pi is around 3 but it’s not exactly 3 .
 
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We need science to make sure what we think is true and once science confirms it, our philosophy and just how we believe things change.

Can you prove this statement to be true with scientific method?

We used to think rains where signs from gods, and people back then formed their reasoning around that belief, but now, because of science we know that rain isn't caused by any entity emotions and is just a natural process that is part of ecology.

Did you use science to read the minds of our predecessors, since "we need science to make sure what we think is true"?

Please explain how you can test claims about the supernatural using purely scientific method, despite the fact that the supernatural is beyond science by definition?

Science is theories about the physical properties of existence, based on evidence, tested by scientific method. It is not a proven telepathy system.
 
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Science solves some problems. God has the answer for every question and the solution for every problem. If man and IF science had more answers and more solutions, then I would serve Science. God has all the answers and all of the solutions we will ever encounter in life and that is why I serve God.


Science can totally solve problems, I absolutely agree. It is excellent at solving scientific problems.
 
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PI is about 3.14159265358979323846… or 22/7.

The Bible defines PI as,

The Bible isn't trying to define Pi but the measurements required for the vessel, both inside and outside. When the width of the rim is accounted for as mentioned in
2 Chronicles 4: It was a handbreadth in thickness, and its rim was like the rim of a cup, like a lily blossom.
it comes out a lot closer than 3 depending on the handbreadth to cubit ratio used back then.



Isaiah 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

Fact is, our earth is not a circle. "Our globe, however, is not even a perfect oblate spheroid" Strange but True: Earth Is Not Round


In short, the Bible is not a science book. It describes things from the viewpoint of appearance of the average person.

According to a number of verses in the bible, God's throne is in/above the North so from the article you posted it will seem to be round as we inhabitants appear as grasshoppers.
It may not be a science book but what it presents is factual when all the clues are taken in consideration. It does require us to think outside of the box however as it only spoonfeeds the superficial stuff. The rest we have to work for.
 
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Can you prove this statement to be true with scientific method?
Yes, sure. For one, we don't think causes of rain is due to some deity being happy/angry with our sacrifice anymore. Instead, we now know it's all part of a natural cycle. We also don't believe the bubonic plague was made because God was angry at people cursing, we now know there were environmental caused.

When you see someone get hit by a car, do you stand over that persons body and just pray for him to recover or would you immediately call the ambulance to have him sent to doctors? Why.

Did you use science to read the minds of our predecessors, since "we need science to make sure what we think is true"?
It doesn't read minds, but what it does is collect as much data and empirical proof to actually understand more of a certain topic in the past.

Please explain how you can test claims about the supernatural using purely scientific method, despite the fact that the supernatural is beyond science by definition?

Science is theories about the physical properties of existence, based on evidence, tested by scientific method. It is not a proven telepathy system.

Look at my 2 examples. Also, what you claim that science "lacks" at isn't something that religion has plus points on either, and science has been much more accurate in defining such supernatural things and how they are done.
 
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Yes, sure. For one, we don't think causes of rain is due to some deity being happy/angry with our sacrifice anymore.

Prove with scientific method "we" used to. I yell at the sky when I am frustrated with the weather. It does not mean I actually believe it will obey me. It is an expression of feeling. We have not got complete information on any ancient religions, we have got some clues that they also sometimes desired rain, or sun, or safety from extreme weather, and we still have those desires.

When you see someone get hit by a car, do you stand over that persons body and just pray for him to recover or would you immediately call the ambulance to have him sent to doctors? Why.

Putting the wounded onto a horse and taking them to their home, while also sending a message to the nearest herbalist geek was what happened.

Ambulances are faster than horses, and the herb geek is now a pharmacist. We still do pray for the wounded and sick. Your theory whereby "just prayer" as been replaced with all pragmatics is just not at realistic.

It doesn't read minds, but what it does is collect as much data and empirical proof to actually understand more of a certain topic in the past.

I am not saying science is useless.

science has been much more accurate in defining such supernatural things and how they are done.

No, science has literally nothing on "supernatural" by definition.
 
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Prove with scientific method "we" used to. I yell at the sky when I am frustrated with the weather. It does not mean I actually believe it will obey me. It is an expression of feeling. We have not got complete information on any ancient religions, we have got some clues that they also sometimes desired rain, or sun, or safety from extreme weather, and we still have those desires.
What you do towards the sky does not eliminate the fact that historically, people thought rain and bad weather was caused because of deities. We don't think that anymore, do we? Do you think Eclipses are supernatural, just like people back then did?

Putting the wounded onto a horse and taking them to their home, while also sending a message to the nearest herbalist geek was what happened.

Ambulances are faster than horses, and the herb geek is now a pharmacist. We still do pray for the wounded and sick. Your theory whereby "just prayer" as been replaced with all pragmatics is just not at realistic.
You didn't get the point of that. I'm asking you. If you see someone get his by a car or any heart attack. What is the right thing to do. Stand over and pray, maybe angels or whatever supernatural thing may happen, or do you call 911 to get him to doctors. This reply in the quote is irrelevant.
 
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You didn't get the point of that. I'm asking you. If you see someone get his by a car or any heart attack. What is the right thing to do. Stand over and pray, maybe angels or whatever supernatural thing may happen, or do you call 911 to get him to doctors. This reply in the quote is irrelevant.

When I had my heart attack a few years ago, I did both. I started to feel chest pains while having my morning coffee and recognizing it for what it was, I immediately phoned for an ambulance. Since I live a ways out of town I realized they would be a bit and so walked out to the driveway and sat in my car to wait. I started to pray and basically just give it up to God as to whether I lived or died and immediately started to relax. The chest pain which had been steadily increasing since I had phoned, suddenly stopped and I started to feel fine. When the ambulance arrived a few minutes later the attendants weren't sure what to do with me as I appeared fine to them too without any of the classic symptoms normally seen in someone either having or just had a heart attack. They ran a quick test on me just to make sure and verified I had had a heart attack. They took me to the hospital for observation and more tests and did eventually put a stent in as one of my arteries was clogged to the point it would benefit.

I am convinced that through the prayer, God kept me alive long enough to be able to benefit from medical treatment.
 
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What you do towards the sky does not eliminate the fact that historically, people thought rain and bad weather was caused because of deities. We don't think that anymore, do we? Do you think Eclipses are supernatural, just like people back then did?

What was a deity? An aspect of the natural environment, that is what they meant. The natural environment was created by God in TE and Creationism too, what I know, and some people in the past did not, is that we should not regard aspects of the natural environment as deities, because there is one Creator behind all aspects, and no other deities were made. This information was imparted to my country by Christians, who got it from the Bible (some parts actually date before the Bible, but that is besides my point). Science did not correct the previous wrong ideas, better information about God did.

A reference to who thought eclipses were supernatural would help, and when.

You didn't get the point of that. I'm asking you.

Your point was "We need science to make sure what we think is true and once science confirms it, our philosophy and just how we believe things change"
People in the past did not just stand and pray when a person was injured. I would still pray now, as I called for medical help. I would only omit to if I was asked not to by the wounded person.

I disagree with your claim, as quoted above. Science is good, but it is not good philosophy, it is not fit for purpose as philosophy, or as a truth detection system. It is perfect for exploring aspects of physical existence, it is brilliant at that.
 
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What was a deity? An aspect of the natural environment, that is what they meant. The natural environment was created by God in TE and Creationism too, what I know, and some people in the past did not, is that we should not regard aspects of the natural environment as deities,
snip.
No, back then people thought that the weather and various epidemics was caused because of supernatural reasons likewise they believed it could be pacified supernaturally, period. So why don't you believe that stuff anymore, especially as you said "science can't deal with the supernatural"? Did science deal with all that supernatural beliefs that effectively that if you went back in time, you would completely disagree with those people?


Your point was "We need science to make sure what we think is true and once science confirms it, our philosophy and just how we believe things change" People in the past did not just stand and pray when a person was injured. I would still pray now, as I called for medical help. I would only omit to if I was asked not to by the wounded person.
Read about the Bubonic plague and other plagues that happened before.

For your second argument, why call for medical help anyway, why can't prayer be good on it's own? Since Science can't deal with the supernatural, and isn't as great as the supernatural.. then surely you would be making better bets just by standing and praying.

I disagree with your claim, as quoted above. Science is good, but it is not good philosophy, it is not fit for purpose as philosophy, or as a truth detection system. It is perfect for exploring aspects of physical existence, it is brilliant at that.

Your argument about it not fitting the purpose of philosophy is arguable and also depends on the circumstances. I can say that religion with out science makes bad philosophy just based on the stuff i've seen here such as advices for women who to chose remaining being beaten by their husbands over "falling into sin" by divorcing him. I can go on to much worse views that are inline to a personal philosophy and they all resort the same - no matter what psychology, health science, and just common sense says, it's the "supernatural" related views that mean more.

I think a religion with out science/reason is prone to become an unintelligent (and even harmful) belief system, which is why it is important and shouldn't be degraded to be anything inferior. How good would it be if Christianity still forced in flat earth, the sun revolving around the earth, all because of bible passages, etc to this day?

My stance is, I don't believe in a supernatural or a natural I think that they are all the same. Supernatural is just when something has not been accurately explained comprehensibly (or scientifically). Miracles don't get debunked all because we've managed to understand the science behind it, the Shroud of Turin is a great example of this.
 
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Science can totally solve problems, I absolutely agree. It is excellent at solving scientific problems.
My father served our community as a pediatrician for over 50 years. There are lots of problems science can not solve and lots of questions they do not have an answer for. This is why I serve God, He alone has the answers and solutions we need to live out our life. Even my dad had a very severe polio patient that he use to take all of us to see. We were all amazed at how bright and cheerful this family was when they were confronted with the adversity they had to deal with. My dad was very impressed with their christian faith and he wanted all of us to see these people. Also they were very happy to see us and were thrilled that he brought visitors with him to talk to their son. It was very strange though. He had the head of an adult and the withered body of a three year old. Yet they were very happy people and they took very good care of him to provide him with the best life they could under the circumstances.
 
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More accurate because the Bible gives you the thickness of the vessel. Pi in science does not exist because there is no depth. I did drafting before the computer. The thickness of a line on a drawing could be two or three inches. We always marked our drawing NTS, NOT TO SCALE. Even though they were very much to scale other then taking the thickness of the line into consideration. So when the Bible says brim to brim and round about they are talking about inside measurement AND outside measurement. This is real vessel in the real world that had depth.

You must be using the skeptics bible for your reference. If so you are going to run into may dead ends using that kind of defunct logic. Those things are written by reprobates for skeptics and scoffers. YOU can not argue against an infidel because they totally lack logic and reason in their thinking. As Christians we are to have the mind of Christ and the divine thoughts of God. There are may scriptures in the Bible about wisdom, knowledge and understanding. When we study the Hebrew language we see that the letters are symbols like they use in Chemistry. Words are not made up of sounds like the phonics people want us to believe. When God created the cosmos, He used words. Every letter in the word said: וַיֹּ֥אמֶר has meaning. In the NT Jesus was the word. This is logos in Greek. The word we get logic from. So to know God you have to know logic, reason, understanding, wisdom, knowledge and so on. People with a reprobate mind lacks all of this and they not going to understand.

My son is working on his degree in computer engineering. HE was taking classes at three different universities when he was still in high school. He said they were paying $30,000 a year for his college classes. He has very little empathy for the dead heads that did not take their high school education serious. The ones that hate their job at McDonalds. God writes the book of our life before we are even born. We have to apply ourselves to develop the gifts, talents and abilities that He gives us. We need to use what we have to bring Him honor and glory. The skeptics, scoffers and mockers can not expect to receive anything from God because of their disrespect & disregard for Him. They know God but they allow the devil to fill their head with defunct ideas and thinking.

What is the skeptics bible?

Based on how the word Rim is used in the Hebrew and English Translation, it makes more sense that the measurement across was from the outside of the Rim to the other side outside of the Rim. The Thickness of the Rim is not given in the text, thus ruling out your interpretation. Common sense tells us if one takes the circumference was on the outside, then one would use the outside to measure the diameter too.

1 Kings 7:23-24 Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
23 Then Huram melted bronze and poured it into a huge mold to make a tank,[a] which was called “The Sea.” The tank was about 30 cubits around. It was 10 cubits across and 5 cubits deep. 24 There was a rim around the outer edge of the tank. Under this rim there were two rows of bronze gourds all around the tank. The bronze gourds were made in one piece as part of the tank.

1 Kings 7:23-24 Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)

23 He made the cast metal reservoir, 15 feet from brim to brim, perfectly round. It was 7½ feet high and 45 feet in circumference. 24 Ornamental gourds encircled it below the brim, 10 every half yard, completely encircling the reservoir. The gourds were cast in two rows when the reservoir was cast.

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7:23 He also made the large bronze basin called “The Sea.” It measured 15 feet from rim to rim, was circular in shape, and stood seven-and-a-half feet high. Its circumference was 45 feet. 7:24 Under the rim all the way around it were round ornaments arranged in settings 15 feet long. The ornaments were in two rows and had been cast with “The Sea.”
 
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More accurate because the Bible gives you the thickness of the vessel. Pi in science does not exist because there is no depth. I did drafting before the computer. The thickness of a line on a drawing could be two or three inches. We always marked our drawing NTS, NOT TO SCALE. Even though they were very much to scale other then taking the thickness of the line into consideration. So when the Bible says brim to brim and round about they are talking about inside measurement AND outside measurement. This is real vessel in the real world that had depth.

You must be using the skeptics bible for your reference. If so you are going to run into may dead ends using that kind of defunct logic. Those things are written by reprobates for skeptics and scoffers. YOU can not argue against an infidel because they totally lack logic and reason in their thinking. As Christians we are to have the mind of Christ and the divine thoughts of God. There are may scriptures in the Bible about wisdom, knowledge and understanding. When we study the Hebrew language we see that the letters are symbols like they use in Chemistry. Words are not made up of sounds like the phonics people want us to believe. When God created the cosmos, He used words. Every letter in the word said: וַיֹּ֥אמֶר has meaning. In the NT Jesus was the word. This is logos in Greek. The word we get logic from. So to know God you have to know logic, reason, understanding, wisdom, knowledge and so on. People with a reprobate mind lacks all of this and they not going to understand.

My son is working on his degree in computer engineering. HE was taking classes at three different universities when he was still in high school. He said they were paying $30,000 a year for his college classes. He has very little empathy for the dead heads that did not take their high school education serious. The ones that hate their job at McDonalds. God writes the book of our life before we are even born. We have to apply ourselves to develop the gifts, talents and abilities that He gives us. We need to use what we have to bring Him honor and glory. The skeptics, scoffers and mockers can not expect to receive anything from God because of their disrespect & disregard for Him. They know God but they allow the devil to fill their head with defunct ideas and thinking.

To my knowledge the word logic relates to:


Lo·gos
/ˈlōɡōs/
nounTHEOLOGY
noun: Logos
the Word of God, or principle of divine reason and creative order, identified in the Gospel of John with the second person of the Trinity incarnate in Jesus Christ.

Lego Meaning in Bible - New Testament Greek Lexicon - New American Standard
Logos Meaning in Bible - New Testament Greek Lexicon - New American Standard

"A Greek philosopher named Heraclitus first used the term Logos around 600 B.C. to designate the divine reason or plan which coordinates a changing universe. This word was well suited to John's purpose in John 1."

Logos Meaning in Bible - New Testament Greek Lexicon - New American Standard
 
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Translations are not always good because even the translators had issues. This passage has to do with the orbit of the earth. A better word is circuit. It literally means a guard walking around what he is guarding. ONLY the mean is much more because this talks about the seasons in the year and in our life. The days, weeks, months, years that just keep going around in their circle or their circuit. Yet like a tree we learn and we grow and we gain a little bit every time we go around. In understanding the Bible we really do not begin to understand until we have studies the Bible for 40 years. IN the Hebrew faith there are things they do not study until they are at least 40 years of age. Just like the Children of Israel wondered in the desert for 40 years before they could enter into the promised land. Moses use to go on 40 day fasts when he would seek God.

The "orbit of the earth" is not a circle.
Your interpretation does not fit the cosmetology of that time period of Egypt and Moses.
See the Interpreter's Dictionary .

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http://wlym.com/archive/pedagogicals/aristarchus.html

"Remember that Mesopotamian phrase, “circle of the earth” that meant a flat disc terra firma? Well, it’s in the Bible too. “It is he who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers” (Isa. 40:22). Some have tried to say that the Hebrew word for “circle” could mean sphere, but it does not. The Hebrew word used here (ḥûg) could however refer to a vaulted dome that covers the visible circular horizon, which would be more accurate to say, “above the vault of the earth.”23 If Isaiah had wanted to say the earth was a sphere he would have used another word that he used in a previous chapter (22:18) for a ball, but he did not.24 Two further Scriptures use this “circle of the earth” in reference to God’s original creation of the land out of the waters and extend it outward to include the circumferential ocean with its own mysterious boundary: Prov. 8:27 When he established the heavens, I was there; when he drew a circle on the face of the deep… 29 when he assigned to the sea its limit, so that the waters might not transgress his command, when he marked out the foundations of the earth.
Job 26:10 He has inscribed a circle on the face of the waters at the boundary between light
and darkness [where the sun rises and sets].
Even when the Old Testament writers are deliberately using metaphors for the earth, they use metaphors
for a flat earth spread out like a flat blanket.
Job 38:13 “take hold of the skirts of the earth, and the wicked be shaken out of it”
Job 38:18 Have you comprehended the expanse of the earth?
Psa. 136:6 to him who spread out the earth above the waters
Isa. 44:24 “I am the LORD, who spread out the earth by myself,
Geocentricity
In the Bible, the earth is not merely a flat disk surrounded by cosmic waters under the heavens; it is
also the center of the universe. To the ancient Near Eastern mindset, including that of the Hebrews, the
earth did not move (except for earthquakes) and the sun revolved around that immovable earth. They did
not know that the earth was spinning one thousand miles an hour and flying through space at 65,000 miles
an hour. Evidently, God did not consider it important enough to correct this primitive inaccurate
understanding. Here are the passages that caused such trouble with those early Christians who took the
text too literally because it did not seem to be figurative to them:
Psa. 19:4 Their line has gone out through all the earth, And their utterances to the end of the
world. In them He has placed a tent for the sun, 5 Which is as a bridegroom coming out of
his chamber; It rejoices as a strong man to run his course. 6 Its rising is from one end of the
heavens, And its circuit to the other end of them.
Psa. 50:1 The Mighty One, God, the LORD, has spoken, And summoned the earth from the
rising of the sun to its setting.
Eccl. 1:5 Also, the sun rises and the sun sets; And hastening to its place it rises there again.
Josh. 10:13 So the sun stood still, and the moon stopped…And the sun stopped in the middle
of the sky, and did not hasten to go down for about a whole day.

Matt. 5:45 Jesus said, “For He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good.”
Two objections are often raised when considering these passages. First, they use phenomenal language.
That is, they describe simply what the viewer observes and makes no cosmological claims beyond simply
description of what one sees. We even use these terms of the sun rising and setting today and we know the
earth moves around the sun. Fair enough. The only problem is they were pre-scientific and did not know
the earth went around the sun, so when they said the sun was moving from one end of the heavens to the
other they had absolutely no reason to believe that it was not doing so."
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