Must watch for anyone prolife

Ken Rank said:

SMH

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You are the one who made a claim then provided nothing to support it. I am simply asking for evidence.

Here is the OP:

"Did not know PP was covering up sex abuse victims, and UCLA didn't support pregnant women. For pro-choice there is only one choice: death."

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Yes, I am aware of that.

What we are discussing isn't relevant to this topic.

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You are the one who raised it. Your exact words were "the culture has defined "pro-choice" as "pro-abortion" and we can't change the definition."

I have personally seen almost exclusively that those who use "pro-choice" as their personal description are pro-abortion. If you don't agree, fine... it doesn't matter >>>THIS IS WHAT I HAVE WITNESSED<<

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Again, opinion, not evidence. Pro-abortion would mean favoring abortion in every case, and I don't know of anyone with that attitude, nor have I seen a single reputable dictionary define pro-choice as meaning pro-abortion. And really, there is no reason for you to shout.

If you have witnessed a majority in another direction...fine, I am not disputing your claim. But you keep going ahead and disputing mine.

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Actually I've just asked for you to provide evidence that supports your position (see post 17).

Maybe someday I will come back and read your reply to this.

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That's fine.

Isilwen said:

It is their choice. I would never tell anyone what to do with their own body. Even as an EMT, I ask if they want me to treat them, ask them each step of the way if they would like this done to them. The only time I don't is when they are unconscious and then it's implied consent. Those who have DNRs have made their choice and I must respect them.

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I think in your analogies the unborn child would be most likely akin to the unconscious person as the unborn are not able to voice whether or not they want to die.

Archivist said:

I disagree. Again, the only people I see using pro-choice to mean pro-abortion are those who call themselves pro-life. If you have evidence to support your claim I would love to see it.

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I find it interesting you're saying this after we previously had this discussion and I provided you this link:

Archivist said:

Pro-abortion would mean favoring abortion in every case, and I don't know of anyone with that attitude, nor have I seen a single reputable dictionary define pro-choice as meaning pro-abortion.

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I find this interesting as well, as I have also used dictionaries in discussions with you in the past. Can you clarify what dictionaries you consider reputable? Most people I know of consider Webster's as a reputable dictionary, do you not?

Webster's Dictionary defines Pro-Abortion as: favoring the legalization of abortion.

As far as I know, this definition fits just about every pro-choice advocate I've talked to on this forum, including yourself.

The definition of Pro-Abortion is not saying that a person must think that all unborn ought to be aborted, it simply means that they think the practice of abortion should be legal.

If you reject Merriam Webster as a reputable dictionary, can you explain why and then provide some dictionaries that you do consider reputable?

Isilwen said:

I am pro-choice, when my ex-girlfriend was pregnant five times, we had all five children. We didn't even bring up abortion. When my ex-wife who has multiple sclerosis had two children, we never brought up the topic of abortion. Had both kids.

Pro-choice doesn't mean there is only one choice.

Is the statement I quoted your statement or a statement from the video? I don't have over an hour to watch this.

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Did you consider the child support factor when your ex-girlfriend was pregnant --what 5 times?.

Because of a peculiarity of our laws the man is, in most cases responsible only then, but not so when a baby is aborted. All state have child support laws in force.
I admire your willingness to also support her carrying her babies to term and admitting that "WE had all five children"

Jamesone5 said:

Did you consider the child support factor when your ex-girlfriend was pregnant --what 5 times?.

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Nope. Thought we would be together for life. Child support never factored in.

Jamesone5 said:

Because of a peculiarity of our laws the man is, in most cases responsible only then, but not so when a baby is aborted. All state have child support laws in force.

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Yes they do. I know this all too well. However, I only pay $100 for the five and $100 for the two, but the mother of the two wants more, even though when the child support calculator is done, it shows she owes me money. I guess technically I am paying $798 a month for child support to both moms when you factor in the health insurance that I pay at $698 a month. My ex-girlfriend didn't want anything knowing that if they need it, she need only ask. My ex-wife is another matter all together.

Jamesone5 said:

I admire your willingness to also support her carrying her babies to term and admitting that "WE had all five children"

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Not sure why I wouldn't admit that? They are my children, I love them and am proud of them. My oldest son who is 20 never finished school. He dropped out before completing 9th grade. He tried to go back, but he still couldn't complete even that year. This year he has gotten his GED and looks to be the top of his class following in his dad's footsteps and is becoming an EMT.

SPF said:

I find it interesting you're saying this after we previously had this discussion and I provided you this link

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I don't recall the discussion. In any event, this man is entitled to his opinion. That doesn't mean that I have to accept his opinion.

I find this interesting as well, as I have also used dictionaries in discussions with you in the past. Can you clarify what dictionaries you consider reputable? Most people I know of consider Webster's as a reputable dictionary, do you not?

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Which Webster's? Webster's Collegiate is a good dictionary for daily use. It is not a good academic dictionary. I prefer OED, which is a scholarly dictionary.

Webster's Dictionary defines Pro-Abortion as: favoring the legalization of abortion.

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The post to which I was responding defined pro-choice as pro-abortion, so it is really the definition of pro-choice that was being discussed. OED defines pro-choice as "in favour of upholding a woman's legal right to choose whether to have an induced abortion."

The definition of Pro-Abortion is not saying that a person must think that all unborn ought to be aborted, it simply means that they think the practice of abortion should be legal

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OED doesn't define pro-abortion, so I will stick with my interpretation of the words.

If you reject Merriam Webster as a reputable dictionary, can you explain why and then provide some dictionaries that you do consider reputable?

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But I don't reject Webster's as a reputable dictionary, but there are better dictionaries out there.

Archivist said:

I don't recall the discussion. In any event, this man is entitled to his opinion. That doesn't mean that I have to accept his opinion.

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Of course you don't have to accept his opinion. You said:

Again, the only people I see using pro-choice to mean pro-abortion are those who call themselves pro-life. If you have evidence to support your claim I would love to see it.

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The link I provides is the evidence you requested showing that people outside of those that are pro-life do not mind the label pro-abortion. I never said you needed to accept his opinion. It's evidence, provided as requested.

Archivist said:

The post to which I was responding defined pro-choice as pro-abortion, so it is really the definition of pro-choice that was being discussed. OED defines pro-choice as "in favour of upholding a woman's legal right to choose whether to have an induced abortion."

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Again, to quote you:

Pro-abortion would mean favoring abortion in every case, and I don't know of anyone with that attitude, nor have I seen a single reputable dictionary define pro-choice as meaning pro-abortion.

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So it sounds like you were talking about the term pro-abortion as you attempted to define pro-abortion as meaning "favoring abortion in every case." What I have done is provided an actual, reputable dictionary definition of pro-abortion.

Simply put, you're wrong in how you're defining pro-abortion.

Merriam Webster defines pro-abortion as: favoring the legalization of abortion.

Thus, based upon this definition of pro-abortion, I don't think it would be incorrect to call you pro-abortion. If you think there is a better definition of pro-abortion out there, please cite the definition and we can go from there.