Malachi 4:5

Kevin Silva said:

Can someone please explain this?

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Key scriptures:

Matthew 17:11-13
11 Jesus answered and said to them, “Indeed, Elijah is coming first and will restore all things. 12 But I say to you that Elijah has come already, and they did not know him but did to him whatever they wished. Likewise the Son of Man is also about to suffer at their hands.” 13 Then the disciples understood that He spoke to them of John the Baptist.

Joel 2:28-31
28“And it shall come to pass afterward
That I will pour out My Spirit on all flesh;
Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
Your old men shall dream dreams,
Your young men shall see visions.
29 And also on My menservants and on My maidservants
I will pour out My Spirit in those days.

30 “And I will show wonders in the heavens and in the earth:
Blood and fire and pillars of smoke.
31 The sun shall be turned into darkness,
And the moon into blood,
Before the coming of the great and awesome day of the Lord.

When Malachi 4 says he will send Elijah the prophet, it clearly isn't talking about the actual person Elijah, but someone with the same prophetic spirit and assignment or what is often called the same "mantle". Jesus shows this in Matt 17, when they understand He was speaking of John the Baptist (came with the mantle of Elijah, both literally and figuratively), but notice Jesus said he (Elijah) has come already AND he is coming. That's where Joel 2 comes in... where it says He will pour out His Spirit on all flesh, and notice how it ends the same as Malachi 4:5 "before the coming of the great and awesome day of the Lord". During the Joel 2 outpouring the spirit/mantle of Elijah will be poured out not on an individual but on everyone who is willing to believe and receive. This is consistent with Jesus' message and the New Covenant.

Elijah the Prophet

Ecclesiasticus 48:1-10 There arose Elijah, a prophet like fire, whose Word blazed like a torch. By the Word of the Lord, he shut up the sky and three times he called down fire from heaven. By the Word of the Most High, you raised a corpse from the dead. You sent kings and famous men to destruction, how glorious you were, Elijah, in your miracles! You were taken up to heaven in a chariot by a fiery whirlwind. Scripture records that you are to come at the appointed time, to allay the Divine wrath before it destroys us all, to reconcile father and son and to restore the tribes of Jacob. Reference: REB Apocrypha

1 Kings 18:37-38 Answer me, Lord, and let this people know that You are God in Israel and that is You who have brought them back to their allegiance. Then fire from heaven fell, consuming the whole offering, the wood, the stones, the earth and the water in the trench.

Malachi 4:5-6 Look, I will send you the prophet Elijah before the great and terrible Day of the Lord comes. He will reconcile parents to their children, so as to avoid My curse on the Land.

Luke 1:17 John will go before Him as a forerunner, possessed by the power and spirit of Elijah, to reconcile father to child, to convert the rebellious to the ways of the righteous and to prepare a people that shall be fit for the Lord.


Now, as the great and terrible Day of the Lord's fiery wrath approaches, we can soon expect that someone, somewhere will rise up in the spirit and power of Elijah. It may be that the man himself will appear, as he never died and it is probable that he is one of the two witnesses who preach in Jerusalem during the time of the Anti Christ.

Elijah was the prophet who called down fire from heaven, maybe he will do so again when the Islamic nations and entities commence their attack on Israel.

It will be Elijah who will reconcile families, this mainly refers to the great reconciliation and rejoining of the House of Judah and the House of Israel. Ezekiel 37:15-28

This will lift the Divine curse off the Land and enable the restored tribes of Jacob, the Israelites who are now as we know; every faithful Christian believer. They will go to their heritage and be the people fit to welcome Jesus at His Return.

All the holy Land, promised so long ago to the Patriarchs, will soon be cleared and cleansed by the forthcoming Day of the Lord’s judgement/punishment by fire from God’s storehouse, Deuteronomy 32:34-35, the sun. Isaiah 30:25-30

topher694 said:

Key scriptures:

Matthew 17:11-13
11 Jesus answered and said to them, “Indeed, Elijah is coming first and will restore all things. 12 But I say to you that Elijah has come already, and they did not know him but did to him whatever they wished. Likewise the Son of Man is also about to suffer at their hands.” 13 Then the disciples understood that He spoke to them of John the Baptist.

Joel 2:28-31
28“And it shall come to pass afterward
That I will pour out My Spirit on all flesh;
Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
Your old men shall dream dreams,
Your young men shall see visions.
29 And also on My menservants and on My maidservants
I will pour out My Spirit in those days.

30 “And I will show wonders in the heavens and in the earth:
Blood and fire and pillars of smoke.
31 The sun shall be turned into darkness,
And the moon into blood,
Before the coming of the great and awesome day of the Lord.

When Malachi 4 says he will send Elijah the prophet, it clearly isn't talking about the actual person Elijah, but someone with the same prophetic spirit and assignment or what is often called the same "mantle". Jesus shows this in Matt 17, when they understand He was speaking of John the Baptist (came with the mantle of Elijah, both literally and figuratively), but notice Jesus said he (Elijah) has come already AND he is coming. That's where Joel 2 comes in... where it says He will pour out His Spirit on all flesh, and notice how it ends the same as Malachi 4:5 "before the coming of the great and awesome day of the Lord". During the Joel 2 outpouring the spirit/mantle of Elijah will be poured out not on an individual but on everyone who is willing to believe and receive. This is consistent with Jesus' message and the New Covenant.

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Elijah and Moses was at the transfiguration, the Law giver and the Spirit man, these will be the Two-witnesses, unlike John the Baptist who Jesus never said was Elijah, the Two-witnesses will be Elijah and Moses {or whoever the second guy is, I assume its Moses}.

Jesus when speaking about John is basically telling them John was a great man of God, and even though he did the exact sane thing Elijah is going to do, it was not time for Israel to repent yet, they would instead kill Jesus and reject God. In other words the 70th week repentance was not at hand. But Jesus was taking up for John, saying indeed Elijah has already come, but they wouldn't listen. It never was Elijah, he was just saying John came in the Spirit of Elijah. But in the end times Elijah will indeed come.

He comes BEFORE the Day of the Lord {Day 1261 leaving 1260 days of God's Wrath}. He comes on day 1185 {1335 days before the Second Coming}, 75 days before the DOTL {1260} and 45 days before the 1290 AoD event. All of these events are the NUMBER OF DAYS from each event until the Second Coming ends all these wonders, or the Second Coming.

The Two-witnesses die BEFORE the Beast at the 6th Trumpet vs. the 7th Vial and since both have 1260 days "MINISTRIES ON EARTH" as the Two-witnesses and as the Beast, and since the 2W die before the Beast, they have to show up BEFORE the Beast, who comes to power in the middle of the week.

The 2W turn Israel back unto God who then Flee Judea 30 days before they are Conquered {at least the 1/3 who repent do} via the AoD signpost, which happens 30 days before they are Conquered at the 1290.

Revealing Times said:

Elijah and Moses was at the transfiguration, the Law giver and the Spirit man, these will be the Two-witnesses, unlike John the Baptist who Jesus never said was Elijah, the Two-witnesses will be Elijah and Moses {or whoever the second guy is, I assume its Moses}.

Jesus when speaking about John is basically telling them John was a great man of God, and even though he did the exact sane thing Elijah is going to do, it was not time for Israel the repent yet, they would instead kill Jesus and reject God. In other words the 70th week repentance was not at hand. But Jesus was taking up for John, saying indeed Elijah has already come, but they wouldn't listen. It never was Elijah, he was just saying John came in the Spirit of Elijah. But in the end times Elijah will indeed come.

He comes BEFORE the Day of the Lord {Day 1261 leaving 1260 days of God's Wrath}. He comes on day 1185 {1335 days before the Second Coming}, 75 days before the DOTL {1260} and 45 days before the 1290 AoD event. All of these events are the NUMBER OF DAYS from each event until the Second Coming ends all these wonders, or the Second Coming.

The Two-witnesses die BEFORE the Beast at the 6th Trumpet vs. the 7th Vial and since both have 1260 days "MINISTRIES" on earth as the Two-witnesses and as the Beast, and since the 2W die before the Beast, they have to show up BEFORE the Beast, who comes to power in the middle of the week.

The 2W turn Israel back unto God who then Flee Judea 30 days before they are Conquered {at least the 1/3 who repent do} via the AoD signpost, which happens 30 days before they are Conquered.

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That's cool. You can be wrong if you want.

Kevin Silva said:

Can someone please explain this?

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One of the two witnesses in Revelation 11 appears to be Elijah the prophet.

And it is likely that the false prophet, in Revelation 13, who calls fire down from heaven, will claim (falsely) to be Elijah, the prophet, during the same time frame. But speaks like a dragon, so is speaking for Satan, and not God.

topher694 said:

That's cool. You can be wrong if you want.

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Must be over your head since you gave no rebut.

Revealing Times said:

Must be over your head since you gave no rebut.

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Right, because a rebuttal or lack thereof is what constitutes understanding. Not to mention I already articulated my view, which is what you already responded to. You're really good at being wrong, congrats!

topher694 said:

Right, because a rebuttal or lack thereof is what constitutes understanding. Not to mention I already articulated my view, which is what you already responded to. You're really good at being wrong, congrats!

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Like I said, over your head.

Revealing Times said:

Like I said, over your head.

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Like I said, wrong

Kevin Silva said:

Can someone please explain this?

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From a Hebraic Bible :

5 Behold, I am sending you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of YAHWEH.

6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the sons, and the heart of the sons to their fathers, that I not come and strike the earth with utter destruction.5

1. 3 A reference to King Messiah. “Healing will be on His wings”, this is the most extreme part of His garment or the tassel, Math 9:20-21.
   
   
2. 4 Here in the end time Yahweh is telling His covenant people to remember the Torah that Moses gave on Mount Sinai. Math 5:17-20, Ps 111:.7-10. Yahshua states in Math 7:22- 23- that He will reject the lawless who are Torah violators at His return.
   
   
3. 5 There will be another type of John the Baptist who will fulfill this in the end time.
   

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It's unfortunate how certain topics tend to bring out the worst in some people.

topher694 said:

It's unfortunate how certain topics tend to bring out the worst in some people.

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Nothing has changed:
the wicked continue as always, and get more wicked. (no matter the topic)
the righteous continue getting more righteous, as written, no matter the topic.

p.s. perhaps Yahuweh uses the topics to expose all this - the righteous and the wicked, the right and the wrong, the truth and the false, by His orchestrating ALL THINGS for the good of those who love God, who are called according to His Purpose ?

yeshuaslavejeff said:

Nothing has changed:
the wicked continue as always, and get more wicked. (no matter the topic)
the righteous continue getting more righteous, as written, no matter the topic.

p.s. perhaps Yahuweh uses the topics to expose all this - the righteous and the wicked, the right and the wrong, the truth and the false, by His orchestrating ALL THINGS for the good of those who love God, who are called according to His Purpose ?

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Yeah perhaps, but poor behavior is always unfortunate.

topher694 said:

Yeah perhaps, but poor behavior is always unfortunate.

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Yes , whatever it is, it will be prevalent on earth until Jesus Returns.

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Jesus said John the Baptist was Elijah [Matthew 11:13-15]. Orthodox Christians call him, John the FORERUNNER [Luke 1:17]. John was God's lone voice crying in the wilderness who heralded the first coming of Jesus Christ.

Some think Malachi 4:5 might refer to TWO different Elijahs... one before Jesus first coming... and one before Jesus' second coming... the "great" and "terrible" day of the Lord. Turning the hearts of forefathers to their children and vice versa is especially important here at this evil end of the age... and will be literally manifested in the resurrection of our Christian forefathers [resurrection of the dead] at Christ's second coming.

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Revealing Times said:

Elijah and Moses was at the transfiguration, the Law giver and the Spirit man, these will be the Two-witnesses, unlike John the Baptist who Jesus never said was Elijah, the Two-witnesses will be Elijah and Moses {or whoever the second guy is, I assume its Moses}.

Jesus when speaking about John is basically telling them John was a great man of God, and even though he did the exact sane thing Elijah is going to do, it was not time for Israel to repent yet, they would instead kill Jesus and reject God. In other words the 70th week repentance was not at hand. But Jesus was taking up for John, saying indeed Elijah has already come, but they wouldn't listen. It never was Elijah, he was just saying John came in the Spirit of Elijah. But in the end times Elijah will indeed come.

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First off, the Transfiguration was merely a vision (like a dream). Christ said so:
Matt. 17:9 "And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead."

Next, you say that John the Baptist came in the Spirit of Elijah, which does mean his mantle. The same will hold true for both the two witnesses. They will be in the "Spirit of Elijah" which is a faith movement.

The first faith movement was Elijah and Elisha. The second faith movement was Christ and all His followers. The third faith move movement will be the two witnesses and the many that God uses to orchestrate His wishes.

The original Elijah had lived some 500 years before that prophecy was uttered, but in the first century C.E. Jesus indicated that John the Baptizer was the foretold counterpart of Elijah.-Matthew 11:12-14; Mark 9:11-13.

Mark51 said:

The original Elijah had lived some 500 years before that prophecy was uttered, but in the first century C.E. Jesus indicated that John the Baptizer was the foretold counterpart of Elijah.-Matthew 11:12-14; Mark 9:11-13.

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Thats not what he said. If you read what Gabriel told Johns dad, he was come in the SPIRIT of Elijah.