Will people go to Hell for worshipping on Sunday?

Erik Nelson said:

yes but that Torah teaches that more laws apply to ethnic Jews than to anyone else

ethnic gentiles "only" had to keep the Laws of Noah and be "Righteous gentiles", not Righteous Jews

the Church might (say) initially adopt pagan holidays as Saints' feast days, with the aim of gradually converting them all the way to a more complete Christianity... but I know of no evidence that the early Church was doing the same for Judaism, trying to gradually convert gentiles all the way to full Mosaic Torah observance

thought Saint Paul, Saint James and the 50 AD Jerusalem Council of Acts 15 made it clear ?

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I understand what you are saying, but ger toshav were converts to Judaism and early on this was Christianity...Jews, natural and converts, who believed Yeshua was Moshiakh

JLB777 said:

Go look up what hovah means in Hebrew.


Strongs # 1943



JLB

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Yeah so? Yehovah comes from the same root as Ehyeh. I told you before it comes from Hayah Hoveh Yihyeh.

JLB777 said:

There is no scripture where Jesus commands us to worship on the Sabbath.


Jesus fulfilled the Sabbath, as He is our peace and our rest.


Now that the law of Moses has been abolished, the Sabbath is simply a day for man to rest.

JLB

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The CURSE has been abolished, not the law. Sin is still transgression of the law.

Aussie Pete said:

Absolutely not. That teaching is heresy. It denies the finished work of the Lord Jesus. Our salvation is purely based on what He has done for us by His death and resurrection. I was in the military (navy) for the first 3 years of my Christian life. I went to church when and where I could. I worked most Saturdays. I had no idea about the dead, religious sabbatarian doctrine. Lord Jesus came to set us free, not saddle us with pointless laws and regulations that achieve nothing for us spiritually.

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Winner winner chicken dinner

rnmomof7 said:

We can never keep the commandments..that is why we need a Savior ... Jesus kept the commandments for us...

The purpose of the commandments was just that ...they should drive us to our knees in thanksgiving for the one who could keep them for us.. That was their purpose

Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

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Did He keep the commandments that ONLY women can keep?

Albion said:

I don't doubt that some think Sunday worship constitutes a willful disregard for the Fourth Commandment and is therefore a serious sin.

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Sure. So stone them. That's the due punishment.

Erik Nelson said:

but in Genesis 2:7 it says "And formed YHWH-Elohim the man from the dust of the ground..."

so the actual creator is YHWH, the Father

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The same YHWH Elohim said through Zechariah-

The burden of the word of the Lord against Israel. Thus says the Lord, who stretches out the heavens, lays the foundation of the earth, and forms the spirit of man within him: Zechariah 12:1

This is the work of the Son.


But to the Son He says:
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”
And:
“You, Lord, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth,
And the heavens are the work of Your hands. Hebrews 1:8-10



It was YHWH Elohim who said -

Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; Genesis 1:26




JLB

Yeshua HaDerekh said:

I understand what you are saying, but ger toshav were converts to Judaism and early on this was Christianity...Jews, natural and converts, who believed Yeshua was Moshiakh

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the whole point of Cornelius, as brought before the Jerusalem council and saint Paul was that ethnic gentiles could convert straight to Christ without going through Judaism first

YHWH will inherit all the nations, psalms 82:8?

with all due respect you sound exactly like the judaizers Paul warns about in Galatians

Yeshua HaDerekh said:

I see you are good at straining at gnats. If you have to have the last word, by all means fulfill your obsessive compulsive disorder. I added that no Jew PHYSICALLY killed Him right after that post to clarify what I meant...

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Again, no one is disputing that is was a Roman who physically killed Jesus Christ.

My only point in this discussion is, The Jews murdered the Lord Jesus Christ.


They used Judas (a Jew) to betray Him, because the planned His murder.

They saw to it from start to finish.



JLB

Yeshua HaDerekh said:

Yeah so? Yehovah comes from the same root as Ehyeh. I told you before it comes from Hayah Hoveh Yihyeh.

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Yah Hoveh is correct.

Yah Hovah is not.


JLB

Yeshua HaDerekh said:

The CURSE has been abolished, not the law. Sin is still transgression of the law.

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The law of Moses, that was added to the covenant temporarily, has been abolished in His flesh, having been nailed to the cross and taken out of the way, being fulfilled by the Messiah.


I hope that’s clear enough.


For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation, having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, Ephesians 2:14-15

• having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances,

The law was a wall that separated Jew from Gentile, and has been abolished in His flesh, so as to create “one new man” from the two.


Abraham foreshadowed this amazing truth, being a gentile, yet being the father of Israel (Judah).


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And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.
Colossians 2:13-14

• having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us,

By saying “against us” Paul is quoting directly from Moses and referring to His law; the law of Moses.


“Take this Book of the Law, and put it beside the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there as a witness against you; Deuteronomy 31:26


If you don’t believe the Lord Jesus fulfilled the law then explain why.



JLB

JLB777 said:

The same YHWH Elohim said through Zechariah-

The burden of the word of the Lord against Israel. Thus says the Lord, who stretches out the heavens, lays the foundation of the earth, and forms the spirit of man within him: Zechariah 12:1

This is the work of the Son.


But to the Son He says:
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”
And:
“You, Lord, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth,
And the heavens are the work of Your hands. Hebrews 1:8-10



It was YHWH Elohim who said -

Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; Genesis 1:26




JLB

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Isaiah 63:16 = YHWH is Father

YHWH = Elohim ("Gods" plural) = trinity

1. Father
2. Word
3. Spirit

1 John 5:7

1 Corinthians 8:6, "there is one God the Father"


not sure that works either

JLB777 said:

Yah Hoveh is correct.

Yah Hovah is not.


JLB

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the lord giveth and taketh away?

God has destructive capacity?

Erik Nelson said:

Isaiah 63:16 = YHWH is Father

YHWH = Elohim ("Gods" plural) = trinity

1. Father
2. Word
3. Spirit

1 John 5:7

1 Corinthians 8:6, "there is one God the Father"

Father = God = YHWH-Elohim = trinity = Father+Word+Spirit​

not sure that works either

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YHWH - Father

YHWH - Son


Thus the Lord my God will come,
And all the saints with You.
Zechariah 14:5


Who is coming with the saints on that Day?


God the Father or The Son ?



JLB

Erik Nelson said:

the lord giveth and taketh away?

God has destructive capacity?

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You use a misquote from Job as your evidence?


Not good.




JLB

Erik Nelson said:

Isaiah 63:16 = YHWH is Father

YHWH = Elohim ("Gods" plural) = trinity

1. Father
2. Word
3. Spirit

1 John 5:7

1 Corinthians 8:6, "there is one God the Father"

Father = God = YHWH-Elohim = trinity = Father+Word+Spirit​

not sure that works either

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The Son created all things.


For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. Colossians 1:16



JLB

Erik Nelson said:

Isaiah 63:16 = YHWH is Father

YHWH = Elohim ("Gods" plural) = trinity

1. Father
2. Word
3. Spirit

1 John 5:7

1 Corinthians 8:6, "there is one God the Father"

Father = God = YHWH-Elohim = trinity = Father+Word+Spirit​

not sure that works either

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The Son breathed the Spirit of Life into Adam.



JLB

It would have been great if we could all be in agreement of the fact that, it is the sincerity of heart that Our Heavenly Father seeks from us. Then If we are in error regarding, the true day of worship, the Lord will perfect us, in his own time ( John 10 v14-18 ).

Erik Nelson said:

Isaiah 63:16 = YHWH is Father

YHWH = Elohim ("Gods" plural) = trinity

1. Father
2. Word
3. Spirit

1 John 5:7

1 Corinthians 8:6, "there is one God the Father"

Father = God = YHWH-Elohim = trinity = Father+Word+Spirit​

not sure that works either

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Isaiah 63:3 = YHWH is the Son


Who is this who comes from Edom,
With dyed garments from Bozrah,
This One who is glorious in His apparel,
Traveling in the greatness of His strength?—
“I who speak in righteousness, mighty to save.”
Why is Your apparel red,
And Your garments like one who treads in the winepress?
“I have trodden the winepress alone,
And from the peoples no one was with Me.
For I have trodden them in My anger,
And trampled them in My fury;
Their blood is sprinkled upon My garments,
And I have stained all My robes.
Isaiah 63:1-3


YHWH the Lord is speaking through Isaiah.

This is Christ.


A quote from any prophet is Christ, the Son, YHWH, speaking.



JLB

Erik Nelson said:

Isaiah 63:16 = YHWH is Father

YHWH = Elohim ("Gods" plural) = trinity

1. Father
2. Word
3. Spirit

1 John 5:7

1 Corinthians 8:6, "there is one God the Father"

Father = God = YHWH-Elohim = trinity = Father+Word+Spirit​

not sure that works either

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For the Lord your God is God of gods and Lord of lords, the great God, mighty and awesome, who shows no partiality nor takes a bribe.
Deuteronomy 10:17


This is YHWH, the Son.




JLB