I think i may be in the process of being given something of a spiritual gift????

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Praying for wealth is itself a mutually exclusive idea to Christ's doctrine. Can you find anyone in the entire Bible praying for physical riches from God? Jesus told his disciples not to be concerned about their food and clothing. Don't pray to the Father for those sorts of things he says because he already knows that you need the basic necessities. "Daily bread" is the extent of any prayer for earthly needs that he told his disciples to pray.
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Does restore all things refer also to the Jerusalem Third Temple and / or the Ezekiel Temple complex predicted in Ezekiel 40 ?????

Many of us feel that there needs to be some sort of an operational third temple in use for sacrifices previous to Zechariah 14
being fulfilled?

If you feel that, then you are not paying attention to what Jesus said. Do you reject Jesus as the rebuilt temple?

Prior to ascending Jesus explained that he was the fulfillment of prophecy. The temple that was to be rebuilt was HIM, not the physical temple.

John 2:18-22
So the Jews answered and said to Him, “What sign do You show to us, since You do these things?”

19 Jesus answered and said to them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”

20 Then the Jews said, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will You raise it up in three days?”

21 But He was speaking of the temple of His body. 22 Therefore, when He had risen from the dead, His disciples remembered that He had said this to them; and they believed the Scripture and the word which Jesus had said.

The "scripture" John is talking about is the Old Testament prophecy about him. He fulfilled those prophecies, if they aren't fulfilled then we're still waiting for the Messiah to come the first time.
 
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Praying for wealth is itself a mutually exclusive idea to Christ's doctrine. Can you find anyone in the entire Bible praying for physical riches from God? Jesus told his disciples not to be concerned about their food and clothing. Don't pray to the Father for those sorts of things he says because he already knows that you need the basic necessities. "Daily bread" is the extent of any prayer for earthly needs that he told his disciples to pray.

If a Christian had five or ten or twenty Christians and non-Christians working for them they would have to pray in such a way that they would be able to pay a fair wage to all those employees.
 
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If you feel that, then you are not paying attention to what Jesus said. Do you reject Jesus as the rebuilt temple?

Prior to ascending Jesus explained that he was the fulfillment of prophecy. The temple that was to be rebuilt was HIM, not the physical temple.

John 2:18-22


The "scripture" John is talking about is the Old Testament prophecy about him. He fulfilled those prophecies, if they aren't fulfilled then we're still waiting for the Messiah to come the first time.


Actually... I do regard the body of Messiah Yeshua - Jesus as the primary fulfillment of a restored temple for the Holy Spirit.. but.... I also believe that every word from Ezekiel 40
Ezekiel 41
Ezekiel 42
to Ezekiel 48 must also happen literally........

"The Sacrificial System Will Continue

One of the most perplexing ideas to students of Scripture is the idea that God intends that the annual feasts, along with animal sacrifice, will continue into the Millennium. Many Christians who have studied the prophetic portions of Zechariah 14, Isaiah 66, and Ezekiel 40 - 48, which clearly describe these Millennial worship ordinations, are confused by the idea. They ask, "Didn't the sacrifice of Christ eliminate animal sacrifices forever?"

............"Only the complete sacrifice of Jesus could ever totally atone for our sins. However, God clearly demanded the sacrifices from Adam to Christ. Those sacrifices were acts of obedience to the direct command of God, as well as acknowledgements of one's own personal sinfulness and need for God's forgiveness. Animal sacrifices covered the sins of the people temporarily until the prophesied Messiah would come and offer Himself once and for all as the necessary atonement for sin. If animal sacrifice can never atone for sin, why would God allow Israel to resume such sacrifice in the Third Temple, prior to Armageddon, and then demand that Israel continue such sacrifice in the Millennium? There are two reasons why I believe this is true."

First, the early Jewish - Christian Church continued to offer sacrifices in the first century.".......



.......Second, New Testament writers used the legal sacrificial system to illustrate very important points concerning Christ's sacrifice on the Cross.......

..... These examples of the way early Jewish believers used God's law to teach great love when He sacrificed His only Son on the cross will be repeated during the Millennium." (Grant R. Jeffrey, Messiah, War in the Middle East and the Road to Armageddon, page 317, 318 and 319)
 
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Actually... I do regard the body of Messiah Yeshua - Jesus as the primary fulfillment of a restored temple for the Holy Spirit.. but.... I also believe that every word from Ezekiel 40
Ezekiel 41
Ezekiel 42
to Ezekiel 48 must also happen literally........

How can you believe every word if you don't believe God fulfilled those words through the giving of his only begotten son?
 
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How can you believe every word if you don't believe God fulfilled those words through the giving of his only begotten son?

You have been taught that one level of fulfillment prevents.... any further levels of fulfillment. Actually.... the resurrection of the Bride of Messiah at the seventh trumped is a second major fulfillment of the glorification of the temple of God, the Body of Messiah Yeshua - Jesus.......

but this in no way stops or prevents the literal fulfillment of Ezekiel 40
and Ezekiel 47 is profoundly encouraging information.

This may help you to understand what this leads to by the year 2185:


Howard Storm's Near-Death Experience

The future that they showed me was almost no technology at all. What everybody, absolutely everybody, in this euphoric future spent most of their time doing was raising children. The chief concern of people was children, and everybody considered children to be the most precious commodity in the world.



And when a person became an adult, there was no sense of anxiety, nor hatred, nor competition.



There was this enormous sense of trust and mutual respect. If a person, in this view of the future, became disturbed, then the community of people all cared about the disturbed person falling away from the harmony of the group. Spiritually, through prayer and love, the others would elevate the afflicted person.



What people did with the rest of their time was that they gardened, with almost no physical effort. They showed me that plants, with prayer, would produce huge fruits and vegetables.



People, in unison, could control the climate of the planet through prayer. Everybody would work with mutual trust and the people would call the rain, when needed, and the sun to shine.



Animals lived with people, in harmony.



People, in this best of all worlds, weren't interested in knowledge; they were interested in wisdom. This was because they were in a position where anything they needed to know, in the knowledge category, they could receive simply through prayer. Everything, to them, was solvable. They could do anything they wanted to do.



In this future, people had no wanderlust, because they could, spiritually, communicate with everyone else in the world. There was no need to go elsewhere. They were so engrossed with where they were and the people around them that they didn't have to go on vacation. Vacation from what? They were completely fulfilled and happy.
and....
Howard Storm's light being friends told him more about the new world to come. According to them, God wished to usher in the kingdom within the next two hundred years. In order to do so, God had rescinded some of the free will given to creatures, in favor of more divine control over human events. This new world order, according to Howard, will resemble some near-death descriptions of heaven. People will live in such peace and harmony and love that communication will be telepathic, travel instantaneous and the need for clothing and shelter eliminated. The lion will indeed lie down with the lamb.

Isaiah 11

And the Spirit of Jehovah shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of Jehovah.

3 And his delight shall be in the fear of Jehovah; and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither decide after the hearing of his ears; 4 but with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and decide with equity for the meek of the earth; and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth; and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.

5 And righteousness shall be the girdle of his waist, and faithfulness the girdle of his loins.

6 And the wolf shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.

7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together; and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.

8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the adder's den.

9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain; for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of Jehovah, as the waters cover the sea.

10 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the root of Jesse, that standeth for an ensign of the peoples, unto him shall the nations seek; and his resting-place shall be glorious.
 
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You have been taught that one level of fulfillment prevents.... any further levels of fulfillment. Actually.... the resurrection of the Bride of Messiah at the seventh trumped is a second major fulfillment of the glorification of the temple of God, the Body of Messiah Yeshua - Jesus.......

but this in no way stops or prevents the literal fulfillment of Ezekiel 40
and Ezekiel 47 is profoundly encouraging information.

Only if you reject the spiritual kingdom Jesus established and pine away for an earthly one is a "literal" fulfillment of those prophecies an encouragement.

God teaches that there is only one fulfillment of his prophecies. The one that comes by his plans and revealed by his servants. The only people who teach that God's prophecies have yet to come to pass are those who are so covetous of his original prophets that they want to claim the words as their own along with the interpretations of their eventual fulfillment.

Something you ought to realize about the former prophets who first uttered those words: They never tried to explain them. They knew that it would be later prophets and men of God who would explain them. That's what you read in the New Testament, writers explaining how those prophecies came to pass. Some recorded Jesus explaining the fulfillment, others preached that the prophecies were fulfilled in sermons they preached and in letters to the early church. The prophecies of the Old Testament about Jesus are the very ones these so called modern prophets repeat and make up new meanings for when Jesus himself said:

John 5:39
"You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me."

They were about him. He doesn't say that they are about anything else. If they were, then they were vague and incomplete.
 
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Only if you reject the spiritual kingdom Jesus established and pine away for an earthly one is a "literal" fulfillment of those prophecies an encouragement.

God teaches that there is only one fulfillment of his prophecies. The one that comes by his plans and revealed by his servants. The only people who teach that God's prophecies have yet to come to pass are those who are so covetous of his original prophets that they want to claim the words as their own along with the interpretations of their eventual fulfillment.

Something you ought to realize about the former prophets who first uttered those words: They never tried to explain them. They knew that it would be later prophets and men of God who would explain them. That's what you read in the New Testament, writers explaining how those prophecies came to pass. Some recorded Jesus explaining the fulfillment, others preached that the prophecies were fulfilled in sermons they preached and in letters to the early church. The prophecies of the Old Testament about Jesus are the very ones these so called modern prophets repeat and make up new meanings for when Jesus himself said:

John 5:39
"You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me."

They were about him. He doesn't say that they are about anything else. If they were, then they were vague and incomplete.


My impression is that much of "Christian Theology" is surprisingly similar to marketing........
that was certainly the case with my first church, the Worldwide Church of God that
did get me up out of Atheism but..........

.... I believe that we members of the Worldwide Church of God tended to follow the leadership into
making statements that were very, very, very, very close to blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

A large part of doctrine of many Christian denominations fits at least to some degree with
what could be termed "Replacement Theology".........

... the idea that what Messiah Yeshua - Jesus did...... and what his metaphorical Priestly Bride do......
somehow prevents the fulfillment of the amazing promises in Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel and the minor prophets.........

... but this is not the case at all in my opinion.........

this is denominationalism based on a lack of faith and the real power of Messiah Yeshua - Jesus to absolutely fulfill all clauses of His Covenant with his Christian Priestly Bride..... at the same time that he also.......

fulfills all clauses of the Adamic Covenant....
the Noahic Covenant...
the Abrahamic Covenant......
the Covenant with Isaac/ Yitzhaq......
the Covenant with Ishmael.....

the Covenant with Jacob / Yacob


the Covenant with all of the twelve Patriarchs.....

the Covenant with Levi and the Covenant with David that are
repeated here:

Jeremiah 31





31 Behold, the days come, saith Jehovah, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: 32 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was a husband unto them, saith Jehovah.

33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith Jehovah: I will put my law in their inward parts, and in their heart will I write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people: 34 and they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know Jehovah; for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith Jehovah: for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin will I remember no more.

35 Thus saith Jehovah, who giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, who stirreth up the sea, so that the waves thereof roar; Jehovah of hosts is his name: 36 If these ordinances depart from before me, saith Jehovah, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.

37 Thus saith Jehovah: If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, then will I also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith Jehovah.
 
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I believe the Messianic has the first dibs at a great table!

For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. - Romans 1:16

At the 1:03:27 mark in this video Kevin Zadai answers the question:
"Can you tell us more about the personality of Jesus?"

His answer is exceptional and truly revealing so I am listening to this for the second time right now.

 
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I Believe President Trump is a direct parallel to the book of Judges.
I also Believe He gave His heart to Christ during His campaign.
America has been granted a short time, to return to God , or we will face the same tribulation as Israel.
Haveing a gift of the Spirit is no accident, all the things you hear should be confirmed by two or three.
Here is one example:
I was wondering whs t to read in My Bible one night.
I turned to the book of Ezikel, I do not spend a lot of time there but I should.
The next morning I turned on a Preacher that I listen to on occasion.
Jenson Franklin Preached from the same chapter.
Many times I have gone to Church opened my Bible to what the Preacher was preaching on.
I would never tell you to quench God's gift nor say anything of God is accident.
I know some preachers are dishonest ,and I know when some are being persecuted.
The hotter it gets the closer they are to the Son.
I encourage you to continue in prayer and ask God for clarity and Wisdom.
1 Corinthians 14: 37. If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. 38. But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant. 39. Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues. 40. Let all things be done decently and in order.
 
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I Believe President Trump is a direct parallel to the book of Judges.
I also Believe He gave His heart to Christ during His campaign.
America has been granted a short time, to return to God , or we will face the same tribulation as Israel.
Haveing a gift of the Spirit is no accident, all the things you hear should be confirmed by two or three.
Here is one example:
I was wondering whs t to read in My Bible one night.
I turned to the book of Ezikel, I do not spend a lot of time there but I should.
The next morning I turned on a Preacher that I listen to on occasion.
Jenson Franklin Preached from the same chapter.
Many times I have gone to Church opened my Bible to what the Preacher was preaching on.
I would never tell you to quench God's gift nor say anything of God is accident.
I know some preachers are dishonest ,and I know when some are being persecuted.
The hotter it gets the closer they are to the Son.
I encourage you to continue in prayer and ask God for clarity and Wisdom.
1 Corinthians 14: 37. If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. 38. But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant. 39. Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues. 40. Let all things be done decently and in order.

Thank you immensely for the encouragement.

I do know that I am learning a lot of new things and I am really feeling that progress is being made as I listen to more and more of Dr. Kevin Zadai's lectures on so many topics.

I learned a lot on his series on the agenda of angels.

 
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