dont feel guilty for sin nor feel bad for sinning

jasonMalloy1999 · Nov 21, 2019

Phil W said:
If you don't want to do it, then quit joking about it.
If you commit sin, any sin, you are already the devil's. (1 John 3:9-10)

I've never heard of such a thing, but if the game is full of sex, theft, murder, adultery, lies, covetousness, or any other lust of the flesh, you are already on that dark road.
It is written in the bible..."Abstain from all appearance of evil." (1 Thess 5:22)
How does your "game" appear?

it has killing in it and magic

NBB · Nov 21, 2019

Phil W said:
You mistake "old nature" with the temptations of the devil.
Those temptations are based on how you used to be and what things you used to indulge in.
But, thanks be to God, we are given the ability to "Resist the devil and he will flee from you." (James 4:7)

Look at this:

21 So I find it to be a law that when I want to do right, evil lies close at hand. dI delight in the law of God, ein my inner being, fanother law waging war against the law of my mind and making me captive to the law of sin that dwells in my members. gthis body of death? 25 Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin.

See there Paul says, that with his flesh he serves the law of sin.
And 'he delights in tha law of God', and no unbeliever is going to delight in the law of God, so yes he speaking that he has this nature, when being a christian, not only before, that Christ can save you from, but still its there.

Phil W · Nov 21, 2019

NBB said:
No, the devil works to make a mess of christians thankfully thanks to christ he shouldn't succeed obviously, but the flesh is another enemy we should take in consideration, i actually think its worse than the devil.

Thanks to Christ, he doesn't succeed.
As Paul wrote,..."I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me." (Gal 2:20)
Summation: you are dead and Christ lives in you.
How can a devil succeed against Christ?
He can't.

Here is another thought by Paul..."And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts." (Gal 5:24)
If you are Christ's, your flesh has been killed with the affections and lusts.
They are dead.
You are a new creature: void if vile affections and lusts.

Phil W · Nov 21, 2019

jasonMalloy1999 said:
it has killing in it and magic

Is that the kind of stuff a lover of God subjects himself to?
No.

NBB · Nov 21, 2019

Phil W said:
Is that the kind of stuff a lover of God subjects himself to?
No.

Because judging him, and saying he is not a child of God, or at least he doesn't care about God is helping him somehow? i think the flesh made you a bad pass there lol.

Phil W · Nov 21, 2019

NBB said:
Look at this:

21 So I find it to be a law that when I want to do right, evil lies close at hand. dI delight in the law of God, ein my inner being, fanother law waging war against the law of my mind and making me captive to the law of sin that dwells in my members. gthis body of death? 25 Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin.

Romans 7 is a sort of transition point between Roman 6's death of the flesh and Romans 8's walk in the Spirit.
Paul is remembering the things that went wrong while he was a Jewish Pharisee in Rom 7.
But look at verse 21...He is fighting against the "law of sin" in his members.
Now look at Rom 8:2..."For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death."
Rom 7:21's verse is a remembrance of the past, as Paul has been freed from the law of sin by a new law...the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus.
Your flesh is dead, and now your mind is in control...if you have been freed from the law of sin, as Paul and I have been.

See there Paul says, that with his flesh he serves the law of sin.
And 'he delights in tha law of God', and no unbeliever is going to delight in the law of God, so yes he speaking that he has this nature, when being a christian, not only before, that Christ can save you from, but still its there.

Can you see the metamorphosis Paul has undergone?
Once a slave to the flesh but now walking by the Spirit in his mind and serving God?

Phil W · Nov 21, 2019

NBB said:
Because judging him, and saying he is not a child of God, or at least he doesn't care about God is helping him somehow? i think the flesh made you a bad pass there lol.

Is asking a question a work of the flesh?
Better check your own house before judging me.

NBB · Nov 21, 2019

Phil W said:
Romans 7 is a sort of transition point between Roman 6's death of the flesh and Romans 8's walk in the Spirit.
Paul is remembering the things that went wrong while he was a Jewish Pharisee in Rom 7.
But look at verse 21...He is fighting against the "law of sin" in his members.
Now look at Rom 8:2..."For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death."
Rom 7:21's verse is a remembrance of the past, as Paul has been freed from the law of sin by a new law...the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus.
Your flesh is dead, and now your mind is in control...if you have been freed from the law of sin, as Paul and I have been.

Can you see the metamorphosis Paul has undergone?
Once a slave to the flesh but now walking by the Spirit in his mind and serving God?

You can't delight in the law of God in your inner being if you are not a child of God.

Also he says that the law of sins dwells in his members not that it 'dwelled in his members'

Dorothy Mae · Nov 21, 2019

Phil W said:
Sad, but true.

Real faith is manifested by the actions of the "claimant".
I thank God for the gracious gifts He has made available, through Christ, so we can be, and act like, the new creatures Jesus died to produce.

If we are willing. That’s the catch. We have to surrender.

jasonMalloy1999 · Nov 21, 2019

Phil W said:
Is that the kind of stuff a lover of God subjects himself to?
No.

vecause i dont feel conviction or guilt for sinning or because if i do fall to sin i ask for forgiveness and try not to do it again im sorry i dont really understand

NBB · Nov 21, 2019

Phil W said:
Is asking a question a work of the flesh?
Better check your own house before judging me.

No i just say its not very loving to imply someone is not a lover of God, because he has problems. That doesn't helps to his situation right?
Sorry if you feel i am judging you, i'm not trying to judge you.

Phil W · Nov 21, 2019

NBB said:
You can't delight in the law of God in your inner being if you are not a child of God.

True.

Also he says that the law of sins dwells in his members not that it 'dwelled in his members'

This lends credence to my point.
That being, that he is writing of a remembrance from his past wherein he WAS still in the flesh.
Romans 8:2 is the present tense for him now.

Phil W · Nov 21, 2019

NBB said:
No i just say its not very loving to imply someone is not a lover of God, because he has problems. That doesn't helps to his situation right?
Sorry if you feel i am judging you, i'm not trying to judge you.

Is it better to allow him the false comfort he takes in such video games?
No.

NBB · Nov 21, 2019

Phil W said:
True.

This lends credence to my point.
That being, that he is writing of a remembrance from his past wherein he WAS still in the flesh.
Romans 8:2 is the present tense for him now.

Apart from that most pastors would tell you that the flesh will want you to do sin all your life, i myself recognize that i have to battle with evil desires from it, having this old nature still after believing seems pretty realistic to me.
And the war between flesh and spirit concept falls pretty naturally with me also.
If our flesh were to be killed completely why christians still have evil desires and sin?

jasonMalloy1999 · Nov 21, 2019

Phil W said:
Is it better to allow him the false comfort he takes in such video games?
No.

listen i play voilent gae not for killling but for hanging out with family even ones that are far away so dont call me evil over as theres sooo many chrstian that game aswell

jasonMalloy1999 · Nov 21, 2019

Phil W said:
Is it better to allow him the false comfort he takes in such video games?
No.

since im evil ill stop my meds for ocd and let myself be depressed and killmyself eventually yh

jasonMalloy1999 · Nov 21, 2019

NBB said:
Apart from that most pastors would tell you that the flesh will want you to do sin all your life, i myself recognize that i have to battle with evil desires from it, having this old nature still after believing seems pretty realistic to me.
And the war between flesh and spirit concept falls pretty naturally with me also.
If our flesh were to be killed completely why christians still have evil desires and sin?

true as i face temptation i dont just randomly sin

jasonMalloy1999 · Nov 21, 2019

Phil W said:
Is it better to allow him the false comfort he takes in such video games?
No.

im not evil

Rescued One · Nov 21, 2019

Phil W said:
It is real, and is described in detail in Romans 6:3-6.
I'm not talking about brushing your teeth and combing your hair, but the old man that is oriented to satisfying the lusts of the flesh.
He is gone and by God's gracious gift of rebirth a new creature has assumed it's place.
The "flesh" Jesus was talking about couldn't be killed till after His crucifixion and resurrection from the dead.
From that time on, we are baptized into Him AND into His death, burial, and are raised with Christ to walk in newness of life.
The weak willed old-way-of-life man has been replaced by a new creature with a divine nature.

A Christian isn't incapable of sin. He feels guilt and remorse if he sins. He asks God for forgiveness.

1 John 1:7
But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

1 John 2:1
... but if any one does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous;

Phil W · Nov 21, 2019

NBB said:
Apart from that most pastors would tell you that the flesh will want you to do sin all your life, i myself recognize that i have to battle with evil desires from it, having this old nature still after believing seems pretty realistic to me.
And the war between flesh and spirit concept falls pretty naturally with me also.

If our flesh were to be killed completely why christians still have evil desires and sin?

They don't still have evil desires.
The desires of the reborn are to please/love God in all things and their neighbor as themselves.
It is written..."And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts." (Gal 5:24)
You are describing those who are not Christ's.

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