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No matter what the reason was, the state turned blue because the Democratic governor candidate won in Kentucky.
As previously pointed out, Kentucky did not turn blue ... only the governor became Democrat.

Both statehouses remain GOP. Both senators remain GOP. Five of six representatives to the U.S. congress remain GOP. If that constitutes a blue state ... I've got a bridge I'd like to sell you.
 
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The governor's party is what determines if a state is red or blue, not the statethouse.

Democratic governor = blue state.
LOL ... well, Ok.

If that's "your" definition of blue, then I have no issue with your claim, though I doubt that many here would agree with you. I also doubt that you would not use that as the definition for RED if the governor of a mostly blue state changed to GOP.
 
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It is more likely to become a little bluer when a Democratic governor is at the helm when they are establishing new state and local district boundaries.

There are no new state boundaries being established.

Gerrymandering in red states virtually disenfranchised Democratic voters...soon there will be a level playing field.
Yes, the Democrats went into high gear when the Republicans gerrymandered some Congressional districts after years of them having been gerrymandered by the Democrats. (sigh)
 
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I use the same definition for red states. and blue states. The reason is if we went by the state legislatures and representatives in Congress, they would be various shades of purple.
Here's Wikipedia's: Red states and blue states - Wikipedia
Since the 2000 United States presidential election, red states and blue states have referred to states of the United States whose voters predominantly choose either the Republican Party (red) or Democratic Party (blue) presidential candidates. Since then, the use of the term has been expanded to differentiate between states being perceived as liberal and those perceived as conservative.[not verified in body] Examining patterns within states reveals that the reversal of the two parties' geographic bases has happened at the state level, but it is more complicated locally, with urban/rural divides associated with many of the largest changes.​

The fact that Kentucky rejected an unpopular GOP governor in an off-year election - while retaining GOP control of both state houses, all GOP but one member to the U.S. house are GOP and both U.S. senators are GOP - that would be enough for most people to think that Kentucky was still a "RED" state.

Personally, I wouldn't be overly optimistic about Democrat chances in Kentucky for the 2020 presidential election ... but, hey, a miracle could happen. Lightning could strike even.
 
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And hopefully Kentucky will not be the only state to turn blue next year.

It is this kind of delusion that will cause the nomination of a left-wing Democrat, and the re-election of Trump.
 
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Do you simply not follow presidential politics?

The governor's party is what determines if a state is red or blue, not the statethouse.

Democratic governor = blue state.
 
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Do you simply not follow presidential politics?

I follow presidential politics at the national level. Trying to figure out what the voters in each state will do would be a waste of my time before 2020.
 
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Social Democrats are left leaning now!?

All Democrats are left-leaning. Some lean farther left than others. They are known, at least in all primary races, as progressives.

Socialism is a totally differernt political party and type of government outside the United States. Everyone who uses that word in America is a Republican criticizing how much Democrats support relying on federal, state, and local governments to have complete control over many issues. I know because the term started to be used the wrong way during the Obama administration by critical Republicans.
 
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Do you live in the US?

"Social Democrats" is not a grouping in the US. If you mean those who have supported social causes for the last 100 years, that political group is called "liberals". Within the Democratic Party, these folks are called moderates or centrists. Sometimes, to be clearer, they are called "Bill Clinton" Democrats, or "Obama" Democrats.
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To better understand, one should look to comments by Obama and Peolsi with regard to that subject. Republicans considers these folks "far left". Within the Democratic Party, these folks are to the right of where the party is.
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There is no question with the label correctly given to Warren and Sanders within US politics. They are left of center. They are also left of center within the Democratic Party compared to folks like: Biden, Buttigieg and Klobuchar.

This is just a matter of definition. Leaning left is clearly a reasonable reflection of the policies of Sanders and Warren.


Social democrats are left leaning now!?
 
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I agree. Warren and others prefer the label "progressive". I find this misleading since the Clintons and Obama are clearly also "progressives". It is a stealing of a label, much as the Republicans have stolen the word "evangelical". Obviously, many left leaning Democrats, and centrist Democrats, are also evangelicals.

Do you disagree with the idea that Sanders and Warren are "left-leaning" within the context of US politics?

All Democrats are left-leaning. Some lean farther left than others. They are known, at least in all primary races, as progressives.

Socialism is a totally differernt political party and type of government outside the United States. Everyone who uses that word in America is a Republican criticizing how much Democrats support relying on federal, state, and local governments to have complete control over many issues. I know because the term started to be used the wrong way during the Obama administration by critical Republicans.
 
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I agree. Warren and others prefer the label progressive. I find this misleading since the Clintons and Obama are clearly also progressives. It is a stealing of a label, much as the Republicans have stolen the word evangelical. Obviously, many left leaning Democrats, and centrist Democrats, are also evangelicals.

I also hate the word evangelical being redefined to exclude politically liberal Christians. I am more like an American Baptist than anything else religiously, but liberal on every political issue.
Do you disagree with the idea that Sanders and Warren are "left-leaning" within the context of US politics?

Sanders and Warren lean farther left than some other Democrats. All Democrats lean to the left.
 
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I agree.

There may be a few Democrats (Manchin from VA for example) that aren't left of the center of American politics, but your point is well taken. The midpoint of US politics is slightly right of center, and almost all Democrats running for office are to the left of that point.
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What confusing things is that the majority voted for Hillary Clinton. Doesn't that mean that more than half of the voters are left on center?

I also hate the word evangelical being redefined to exclude politically liberal Christians. I am more like an American Baptist than anything else religiously, but liberal on every political issue.


Sanders and Warren lean farther left than some other Democrats. All Democrats lean to the left.
 
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The gerrymandering that has been done in recent years has been conducted with surgical precision, thanks to technology, and a gerrymandering wizard in the Carolinas who recently passed away.
In North Carolina, for example, Republicans cast 50.3% of Congressional votes---and won 10 out of 13 Congressional seats!
This is not what our founding fathers envisioned. and is obviously a blatantly brazen and dishonest attempt to disenfranchise voters, primarily in cities, primarily voters of color.
There is a desperate need to take the drawing of election districts out of the hands of either party--and put in the hands of an independent commission that can use technology to set up the fairest districts that provide the fairest representation for all. Democrats in the U.S., after living with Republican treachery since the 2010 census, support this fair solution. In my state, we are trying to get a ballot issue passed to apportion districts using this fair solution.
Because of this, voters in nine states have been astute enough to oust Republican governors from their statehouses--due to things like gerrymandering and, in Kansas for example, wrecking state economies and education systems through budget and tax cuts.
These new Democratic governors are going to make sure that after the 2020 census, districts will be more fairly drawn.
 
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