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Is sacrificing animals for today? Neither is divorce and remarriage.
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Not according to Luke:
“Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery, and the man who marries a divorced woman commits adultery."
Luke 16:18
Not according to Mark:
Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her. And if she divorces her husband and marries another man, she commits adultery.”
Mark 10:11
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Then you cannot have it both ways.
The sermon in the mount is in Matthew which you argue is OT. You say that divorce is not in the NT, but OT. Yet you say that we cannot be Christians without the sermon on the mount, which includes a exception.
You have a problem, Dave. You cannot have your cake and eat it too!
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While Paul is a fount of information, he doesn't override Jesus who said what he said in Matthew and twice.
Jesus is God who said except for sexual immorality. Paul goes and gives another reason and that is for an unbelieving spouse.
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The Sermon is the basis of the New Covenant. But divorce and remarriage was part of the Old Covenant. But even if it is for now, notice in Matthew 19:9 the innocent woman divorced from the adulterous husband also commits adultery along with the man she marries.
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I get it guys, you want marriages to stay together forever until death do them part and that's honorable! However, the reality is that it doesn't always happen and there is most certainly almost always an innocent party and both Jesus and Paul recognize this and give exceptions.
They know that it is better for man not to be alone and it is better to marry than burn with passion. Do you think that after one is married and then divorced they are neither lonely or burning with passion? Especially if they are young?
It's a good thing that Jesus and Paul know better than you!
They know that it is better for man not to be alone and it is better to marry than burn with passion. Do you think that after one is married and then divorced they are neither lonely or burning with passion? Especially if they are young?
It's a good thing that Jesus and Paul know better than you!
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If you trust God, he'll work it out. He never allows us more than we can handle.
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If you read into the scripture that interpretation, yes, Dave, but Jesus gave an exception during the sermon on the mount.
You still claim that the exception clause is OT, therefore you are saying that the sermon on the mount is OT and should not be followed. The exception clause is part of the sermon on the mount and is for today or its not because it's OT and therefore the sermon on the mount is also OT and should be dismissed as such.
Which is it?
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Aye, that is why even though I am divorced and was against my will and my girlfriend divorced her husband for sexual immorality many times over, God has blessed our relationship. It is the best relationship that either her or I have been in and wouldn't be possible without God's hand on it.
We both have only been married once and when we marry each other will be together till we die.
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Mark is generally accepted to be the closest to the original source of Jesus's sayings and Matthew and Luke widened it.
Therefore if its Matthew vs Mark, Luke, Paul, its quite a dangerous area. Matthew is known for some special interpretations and additions like "poor in spirit" instead of "poor" etc.
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You must realize that Matthew is not Jesus.
Jesus in Matthew is no more Jesus than Jesus in Luke or Mark.
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