Can we date divorcees?

solid_core said:

Not sure what you want to say. That we are free to date/marry divorced people?

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Why not? If the divorced person was the innocent party, there is no sin that would prevent it. Even if the divorced person did cause the marriage breakup through desertion, domestic violence, or adultery, if that person has got right with God, tried to reconcile and renew the marriage and failed, then God is faithful and just to forgive that person and cleanse them from all unrighteousness. If God has done that, who are we to discriminate?

Dave L said:

In the end, God delivers us from sin. Sometimes the hard way.

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@Dave L Should I take your non-response as your response to my question? If so, that is very telling!

Oscarr said:

Why not? If the divorced person was the innocent party...

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Because Christ and Paul said "no". For both parties.

Also, there is always never an "innocent party".

Isilwen said:

@Dave L Should I take your non-response as your response to my question? If so, that is very telling!

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What answer would you like to hear?

solid_core said:

Also, there is always never an "innocent party".

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That is a very, very naive (at best) position, and a very, very inaccurate one.

I loved my husband with all my heart. We never fought, never treated each other cruelly, never even disagreed on anything. I respected his authority, and to the day he left he told me that I was his best friend, his "whole world", and that he had never been loved the way I loved him. Even after he left, he repeatedly assured me that I had done nothing wrong.

But he is a pedophile, and his desire is for younger and younger girls, men, threesomes, rape, our niece, and our beautiful teenage daughter.

So you tell me, exactly what am I guilty of in divorcing a man whose actions had already severed our marriage covenant?

Dave L said:

What answer would you like to hear?

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Answer my question as you normally would.

SusaninBC said:

That is a very, very naive (at best) position, and a very, very inaccurate one.

I loved my husband with all my heart. We never fought, never treated each other cruelly, never even disagreed on anything. I respected his authority, and to the day he left he told me that I was his best friend, his "whole world", and that he had never been loved the way I loved him. Even after he left, he repeatedly assured me that I had done nothing wrong.

But he is a pedophile, and his desire is for younger and younger girls, men, threesomes, rape, our niece, and our beautiful teenage daughter.

So you tell me, exactly what am I guilty of in divorcing a man whose actions had already severed our marriage covenant?

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I never trust in what people say about themselves or about their spouse. And even less if they are totally unknown to me and on the internet.

Isilwen said:

Answer my question as you normally would.

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I don't know what you would like to hear.

Dave L said:

I don't know what you would like to hear.

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You are avoiding my question Dave. Just answer it with your answer, not looking for what I want to hear. I want your answer.

solid_core said:

I never trust in what people say about themselves or about their spouse. And even less if they are totally unknown to me and on the internet.

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You are a very distrusting person then. I used to be that way. Then I realized that to have that kind of lack of trust would mean that my everyday living would be hampered by distrust of anyone I didn't know. I learned that I had to put trust in everyone until either they did or didn't break that trust.

Are you young?

Isilwen said:

You are avoiding my question Dave. Just answer it with your answer, not looking for what I want to hear. I want your answer.

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What is your position?

Dave L said:

What is your position?

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Your lack of an answer is more than answer enough. I gave you a chance to answer it from your view and all you have done is avoid it by asking me questions.

It's clear that you have no answer that wouldn't show you to be in error.

solid_core said:

Because Christ and Paul said "no". For both parties.

Also, there is always never an "innocent party".

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Who is qualified to judge, except the Father and Christ?

If the Father deems them "not guilty" (in other words, justifies them) and Christ loved them and died on the cross, taking their sin upon Himself, and then intercedes as their defence lawyer in heaven, then who is there left to pass judgment on any believer, including divorced and remarried believers?

If the Father and Christ do not judge them, then it would be blatant arrogance for me to sit in judgment on divorced and remarried believers, even if I used the Scripture to show that I think they are wrong and need to repent.

Because I am not sinlessly perfect, I have absolutely no right to cast stones at anyone else who is not sinlessly perfect, and that includes divorced and remarried believers. But it is sad that there are arrogant people who don't think they have to use deodorizer in the toilet, who use the Scriptures as "stones" to throw at divorced and remarried believers.

Oscarr said:

who is there left to pass judgment on any believer, including divorced and remarried believers?

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As Jesus says clearly, "His Word".

Isilwen said:

You are a very distrusting person then. I used to be that way. Then I realized that to have that kind of lack of trust would mean that my everyday living would be hampered by distrust of anyone I didn't know. I learned that I had to put trust in everyone until either they did or didn't break that trust.

Are you young?

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Mankind is NOT trustworthy.

Jesus did not trust Himself to anyone "because He knew what is in their heart", as written in His Word.

John 2:24 NLT: But Jesus didn't trust them, because he knew ...
John 2:24 NLT: But Jesus didn't trust them, because he knew human nature.
But Jesus himself did not trust himself to them, because he knew all men, World English Bible But Jesus didn't trust himself to them, because he knew everyone, Young's Literal Translation and Jesus himself was not trusting himself to them, because of his knowing all men, John 2:24 Parallel

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Today's gospel lesson. Jaoh 2: 13. 24. but Jesus did not trust himself to them, 25. because he knew all men and needed no one to bear witness of man; for he himself knew what was in man.

Dave L said:

What answer would you like to hear?

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A good answer would be:
"I am crucified with Christ, nevertheless I live, and the life I live in the flesh I live by the faith of the son of God who loved me and gave Himself for me" (Galatians 2:20).

We can't judge a believer who is dead, and the only life they have is the life of Christ in them.

"Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth. Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us" (Romans 8:33-34).

Paul knows the answer to that question already. He is actually saying that no one apart from the Father and Christ can lay any charge, including divorce and remarriage, to any believer in Christ. To attempt to do so would be arrogantly setting oneself up against God, thinking he is more qualified to judge believers than He is.

yeshuaslavejeff said:

Mankind is NOT trustworthy.

Jesus did not trust Himself to anyone "because He knew what is in their heart", as written in His Word.

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There is a difference.

You have to trust people in order to do day-to-day living. You cannot distrust people otherwise you live a very pitiful life.

As an EMT I need to trust my partner, even if they are new to me, otherwise we as a team cannot do our job.

Are you saying I should always distrust my partner?

solid_core said:

I never trust in what people say about themselves or about their spouse. And even less if they are totally unknown to me and on the internet.

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Would you trust a police report, then?

And really, if you're so cautious to believe what a person says about themselves or their spouse, you should also not be so quick to decide they share the guilt for their divorce.

solid_core said:

Also, there is always never an "innocent party".

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Prove this nonsense from scripture.