LDS Mormon Doctrine Says You Can be Both Saved and Lost

drstevej · Nov 9, 2019

^^^ NON RESPONSIVE
Try Again

He is the way · Nov 11, 2019

drstevej said:
^^^ NON RESPONSIVE
Try Again

(New Testament | Matthew 7:1 - 3)

1 JUDGE not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

drstevej · Nov 12, 2019

And how does your post reply to my question?

Have you lived it?

[ ] 100%
[ ] 90%
[ ] 80%
[ ] >80%

Does that make you saved or lost?

Answer or explain... no dodges please.

He is the way · Nov 12, 2019

drstevej said:
And how does your post reply to my question?

Have you lived it?

[ ] 100%
[ ] 90%
[ ] 80%
[ ] >80%

Does that make you saved or lost?

Answer or explain... no dodges please.

Asking personal questions is against CF's rules.

Rescued One · Nov 12, 2019

Mormonism:

The Lord will bless us to the degree to which we keep His commandments. Nephi … said:

“For we labor diligently to write, to persuade our children, and also our brethren, to believe in Christ, and to be reconciled to God; for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do.” (2 Nephi 25:23.)

The Savior’s blood, His atonement, will save us, but only after we have done all we can to save ourselves by keeping His commandments. All of the principles of the gospel are principles of promise by which the plans of the Almighty are unfolded to us.8

Each must do all he can to save himself from sin; then he may lay claim to the blessings of redemption by the Holy One of Israel, that all mankind may be saved by obedience to the law and ordinances of the gospel.

Jesus also atoned not only for Adam’s transgressions but for the sins of all mankind. But redemption from individual sins depends upon individual effort, with each being judged according to his or her works. The scriptures make it clear that while a resurrection will come to all, only those who obey the Christ will receive the expanded blessing of eternal salvation. Speaking of Jesus, Paul explained to the Hebrews that “he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him.” (Hebrews 5:9.) …
Chapter 3: The Lamb Slain from the Foundation of the World

Book of Mormon, 1 Nephi 3 (This is Lehi, the father of Nephi and and his brothers, speaking to Nephi)

4 Wherefore, the Lord hath commanded me that thou and thy brothers should go unto the house of Laban, and seek the records, and bring them down hither into the wilderness.

5 And now, behold thy brothers murmur, saying it is a hard thing which I have required of them; but behold I have not required it of them, but it is a commandment of the Lord.

6 Therefore go, my son, and thou shalt be favored of the Lord, because thou hast not murmured.

7 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, said unto my father: I will go and do the things which the Lord hath commanded, for I know that the Lord giveth no commandments unto the children of men, save he shall prepare a way for them that they may accomplish the thing which he commandeth them.
1 Nephi 3

Are there any commandments that Mormons can't keep?

He is the way · Nov 13, 2019

Phoebe Ann said:
Mormonism:

The Lord will bless us to the degree to which we keep His commandments. Nephi … said:

“For we labor diligently to write, to persuade our children, and also our brethren, to believe in Christ, and to be reconciled to God; for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do.” (2 Nephi 25:23.)

The Savior’s blood, His atonement, will save us, but only after we have done all we can to save ourselves by keeping His commandments. All of the principles of the gospel are principles of promise by which the plans of the Almighty are unfolded to us.8

Each must do all he can to save himself from sin; then he may lay claim to the blessings of redemption by the Holy One of Israel, that all mankind may be saved by obedience to the law and ordinances of the gospel.

Jesus also atoned not only for Adam’s transgressions but for the sins of all mankind. But redemption from individual sins depends upon individual effort, with each being judged according to his or her works. The scriptures make it clear that while a resurrection will come to all, only those who obey the Christ will receive the expanded blessing of eternal salvation. Speaking of Jesus, Paul explained to the Hebrews that “he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him.” (Hebrews 5:9.) …
Chapter 3: The Lamb Slain from the Foundation of the World

Book of Mormon, 1 Nephi 3 (This is Lehi, the father of Nephi and and his brothers, speaking to Nephi)

4 Wherefore, the Lord hath commanded me that thou and thy brothers should go unto the house of Laban, and seek the records, and bring them down hither into the wilderness.

5 And now, behold thy brothers murmur, saying it is a hard thing which I have required of them; but behold I have not required it of them, but it is a commandment of the Lord.

6 Therefore go, my son, and thou shalt be favored of the Lord, because thou hast not murmured.

7 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, said unto my father: I will go and do the things which the Lord hath commanded, for I know that the Lord giveth no commandments unto the children of men, save he shall prepare a way for them that they may accomplish the thing which he commandeth them.
1 Nephi 3

Are there any commandments that Mormons can't keep?

This is the truth of the Bible:

(New Testament | Hebrews 5:9)

9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

(New Testament | 1 John 5:3)

3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Rescued One · Nov 13, 2019

Peter1000 said:
It is not that difficult. McConkie is a scholar of the highest levels, and sometimes at those levels they tend to make things sound more difficult than they are.

Here it is in simpler terms:

There are 3 degrees or levels of heaven. We make it into heaven by simply believing in Jesus. However, it is by our works that we are judged as to which level we will find ourselves dwelling.

Sometimes not even Mormons know their religion:

Telestial glory will be reserved for individuals who “received not the gospel of Christ, neither the testimony of Jesus” (D&C 76:82). These individuals will receive their glory after being redeemed from spirit prison, which is sometimes called hell (see D&C 76:84, 106). A detailed explanation of those who will inherit telestial glory is found in Doctrine and Covenants 76:81–90, 98–106, 109–112.
Kingdoms of Glory

Peter1000 · Dec 13, 2019

Phoebe Ann said:
Dale said:
"It is clear that McConkie doesn't think much of the traditional Christian doctrine of heaven and hell."

He based that teaching on the Doctrine and Covenants which was written by Joseph Smith. Mormons will insist that the Doctrine and Covenants came from Jesus. Mormon hell deserves a thread of its own.

The Celestial Kingdom

There are three levels in their celestial kingdom. The highest level is the Church of the Firstborn.

"Baptism is the gate to the Church [on earth] itself, but celestial marriage is the gate to membership in the Church of the Firstborn, the inner circle of faithful saints(Mormons) who are heris of exaltation [godhood] and the fulness of the Father's kingdom. (D. & C. 76:54, 67, 71, 94, 102; 77:11; 78:21; 88:1-5; Heb. 12:23.)

"The Church of the Firstborn is made up of the sons of God, those who have been adopted into the family of the Lord, those who are destined to be joint-heirs with Christ in receving all that the Father hth. 'If you keep my commandments[Mormon commandments] you shall receive of his fulness, and be glorified in me as I am in the Father; ... And all those who are begotten through me[Jesus] are partakers of the glory of the same, and are the church of the Firstborn.' (D. & C. 93:20-22; Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 2, pp. 9, 41-43.)"
Mormon Doctrine, pages 139-140.

President Joseph F. Smith said: "We are precisely in the same condition and under the same circumstances that God our heavenly Father was when he was passing through this, or a similar ordeal" (Gospel Doctrine, p. 64).

What evidence do we have that God does not jealously guard his position and power, but rather seeks to see that his children rise up to his position of glory, knowledge, and power that he has obtained (see Moses 1:39)?
Search These Commandments, Melchizedek Priesthood Personal Study Guide, Copyright 1984, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, p. 155

Mormons withhold a lot of information from non-Mormons is order to hure them in. They call that information the meat of the gospel and claim that we aren't ready to accept it.

"Of those who enter the Lord's order of matrimony and who keep their covenants ..., the Lord says: 'They shall pass by the angels, and the gods, ...to their exaltation and glory in all things, ...which glory shall be a fulness and a continuation of the seeds forever and ever.' That is to say, eternal life consists of two things: (1) the continuation of the family unit in eternity, which means a continuation of the seeds or the everlasting begetting of children; and (2) the receipt of the fulness of the glory of the Father, which is all power in heaven and on earth."
Bruce R. McConkie, The Millennial Messiah, p.708

Sorry, but on my mission, I talked to hundreds of people, and the doctrine of the degrees of glory always was a popular one that most said: wow, that answers a lot of questions for me and I know that is true. I loved to give that lesson and most of the time I got that kind of positive feed back.

Peter1000 · Dec 13, 2019

Phoebe Ann said:
Sometimes not even Mormons know their religion:

Telestial glory will be reserved for individuals who “received not the gospel of Christ, neither the testimony of Jesus” (D&C 76:82). These individuals will receive their glory after being redeemed from spirit prison, which is sometimes called hell (see D&C 76:84, 106). A detailed explanation of those who will inherit telestial glory is found in Doctrine and Covenants 76:81–90, 98–106, 109–112.
Kingdoms of Glory

I do know my religion.

All will bow their heads and say that Jesus is the Christ and will believe in him. Many will do it begrudgingly, but they will do it, and then find themselves in the Telestial glory. Hence everyone who believes in Jesus will make it to heaven, even those that refuse to accept that Jesus is the Christ, until the end.

A few will have spit on Christ so badly, and denied the Holy Spirit, that they will not be in heaven but will be in outer darkness with satan and his angels.

You know just enough to be dangerous telling other folks what we believe.

Rescued One · Dec 13, 2019

Peter1000 said:
Sorry, but on my mission, I talked to hundreds of people, and the doctrine of the degrees of glory always was a popular one that most said: wow, that answers a lot of questions for me and I know that is true. I loved to give that lesson and most of the time I got that kind of positive feed back.

People who read and understand the Bible won't say that. Missionaries meet a lot of people who don't know Christ. The missionaries who visited my family didn't bring anyone to Christ. They baptized people who didn't read their Bibles and didn't know Christ. After they/we were baptized (one sibling was only eight), I was the only one who read the Book of Mormon and (many years later) started reading my Bible.

Rescued One · Dec 13, 2019

Peter1000 said:
I do know my religion.

All will bow their heads and say that Jesus is the Christ and will believe in him. Many will do it begrudgingly, but they will do it, and then find themselves in the Telestial glory. Hence everyone who believes in Jesus will make it to heaven, even those that refuse to accept that Jesus is the Christ, until the end.

A few will have spit on Christ so badly, and denied the Holy Spirit, that they will not be in heaven but will be in outer darkness with satan and his angels.

That is your extra-biblical, anti-biblical religion.

Peter1000 said:
You know just enough to be dangerous telling other folks what we believe.

I'm the person who exposes the religion I was in for many years. God taught me:

2 Corinthians 6
14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? 15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?

16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,

18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

I'm sorry you feel the need to label me as dangerous, rather than prove me wrong.

BigDaddy4 · Dec 13, 2019

Peter1000 said:
Sorry, but on my mission, I talked to hundreds of people, and the doctrine of the degrees of glory always was a popular one that most said: wow, that answers a lot of questions for me and I know that is true. I loved to give that lesson and most of the time I got that kind of positive feed back.

False teachers teaching false doctrine... I think Jesus said something about that, didn't he?

He is the way · Dec 14, 2019

BigDaddy4 said:
False teachers teaching false doctrine... I think Jesus said something about that, didn't he?

False teaching = those who do this"

(New Testament | Matthew 5:19)

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

And as the scripture shows those who keep the commandments of LOVE and teach others to keep them are definitely on the RIGHT track.

Peter1000 · Dec 14, 2019

Phoebe Ann said:
Mormonism:

The Lord will bless us to the degree to which we keep His commandments. Nephi … said:

“For we labor diligently to write, to persuade our children, and also our brethren, to believe in Christ, and to be reconciled to God; for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do.” (2 Nephi 25:23.)

The Savior’s blood, His atonement, will save us, but only after we have done all we can to save ourselves by keeping His commandments. All of the principles of the gospel are principles of promise by which the plans of the Almighty are unfolded to us.8

Each must do all he can to save himself from sin; then he may lay claim to the blessings of redemption by the Holy One of Israel, that all mankind may be saved by obedience to the law and ordinances of the gospel.

Jesus also atoned not only for Adam’s transgressions but for the sins of all mankind. But redemption from individual sins depends upon individual effort, with each being judged according to his or her works. The scriptures make it clear that while a resurrection will come to all, only those who obey the Christ will receive the expanded blessing of eternal salvation. Speaking of Jesus, Paul explained to the Hebrews that “he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him.” (Hebrews 5:9.) …
Chapter 3: The Lamb Slain from the Foundation of the World

Book of Mormon, 1 Nephi 3 (This is Lehi, the father of Nephi and and his brothers, speaking to Nephi)

4 Wherefore, the Lord hath commanded me that thou and thy brothers should go unto the house of Laban, and seek the records, and bring them down hither into the wilderness.

5 And now, behold thy brothers murmur, saying it is a hard thing which I have required of them; but behold I have not required it of them, but it is a commandment of the Lord.

6 Therefore go, my son, and thou shalt be favored of the Lord, because thou hast not murmured.

7 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, said unto my father: I will go and do the things which the Lord hath commanded, for I know that the Lord giveth no commandments unto the children of men, save he shall prepare a way for them that they may accomplish the thing which he commandeth them.
1 Nephi 3

Are there any commandments that Mormons can't keep?

Nephi was right on target. In order to be saved, there has to be some responsibility that we have. Otherwise, if Jesus gives us our belief, Jesus gives us our faith, Jesus does the works that we do, Jesus does everything, we are nothing more than puppets and our strings are being pulled and we go this direction, and that direction and nothing is our responsibility.

All Nephi is saying is that we do all that we can do (what we have been ordained to do before by Jesus). And by his grace, we are finally saved.

One mistake you make in your conclusion is that we do not and cannot save ourselves from sin. That is the very thing that Jesus does for us. We can, however, show Jesus that we are willing to do those things that he has ordained us to do. If you are not willing to do that, Jesus will not be able to save you.

For instance. Jesus says to believe and be baptized and you will be saved. Well if a scholar comes along and says, I don't believe this, or in the Greek this is not what Jesus said, or it is ridiculous to think that getting wet saves you, and so you logic in your head somehow that you do not need to be baptized, and so you don't. Then Jesus will no be able to save you, unless you repent, and get baptized.

So another of my mottos is: I work "as if "everything is dependent on me, but I pray, with all my strength, because I know that everything is dependent on Jesus. He is the one that saves, we just follow him, and do what he wants us to do.

mmksparbud · Dec 14, 2019

He is the way said:
False teaching = those who do this"

(New Testament | Matthew 5:19)

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

And as the scripture shows those who keep the commandments of LOVE and teach others to keep them are definitely on the RIGHT track.

Nope----

Mat_15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Mar_7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Rescued One · Dec 14, 2019

Evidently, people who don't know Christ think it's okay to invent a false religion.

He is the way · Dec 14, 2019

mmksparbud said:
Nope----

Mat_15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Mar_7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

It is hard for me to understand why God had to command people to LOVE one another and then watch as people so easily turn to hate, selfishness and indifference. He will profess to then you never knew me. It is because God is LOVE and they did not learn to LOVE. Instead they were mean uncharitable and hurtful instead of LOVING, helpful and kind. We have all heard the commandments of LOVING God and LOVING our neighbor. These are not the doctrines of men, they are the words of God:

(New Testament | 1 John 2:4)

4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

(New Testament | John 17:1 - 3)

1 THESE words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

There are laws of man:

(New Testament | Matthew 12:1 - 5)

1 AT that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn, and to eat.
2 But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day.
3 But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him;
4 How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?
5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?

(New Testament | Matthew 12:10 - 14)

10 ¶ And, behold, there was a man which had his hand withered. And they asked him, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath days? that they might accuse him.
11 And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out?
12 How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.
13 Then saith he to the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it forth; and it was restored whole, like as the other.
14 ¶ Then the Pharisees went out, and held a council against him, how they might destroy him.

He is the way · Dec 14, 2019

Phoebe Ann said:
Evidently, people who don't know Christ think it's okay to invent a false religion.

Know LOVE, Know God, no LOVE, no God.

Rescued One · Dec 14, 2019

Peter1000 said:
Nephi was right on target. In order to be saved, there has to be some responsibility that we have. Otherwise, if Jesus gives us our belief, Jesus gives us our faith, Jesus does the works that we do, Jesus does everything, we are nothing more than puppets and our strings are being pulled and we go this direction, and that direction and nothing is our responsibility.

All Nephi is saying is that we do all that we can do (what we have been ordained to do before by Jesus). And by his grace, we are finally saved.

One mistake you make in your conclusion is that we do not and cannot save ourselves from sin. That is the very thing that Jesus does for us. We can, however, show Jesus that we are willing to do those things that he has ordained us to do. If you are not willing to do that, Jesus will not be able to save you.

For instance. Jesus says to believe and be baptized and you will be saved. Well if a scholar comes along and says, I don't believe this, or in the Greek this is not what Jesus said, or it is ridiculous to think that getting wet saves you, and so you logic in your head somehow that you do not need to be baptized, and so you don't. Then Jesus will no be able to save you, unless you repent, and get baptized.

So another of my mottos is: I work "as if "everything is dependent on me, but I pray, with all my strength, because I know that everything is dependent on Jesus. He is the one that saves, we just follow him, and do what he wants us to do.

Your false Christ's supposed ability to save depends on what you have earned (which is actually nothing). There is no mercy.

“I, the Lord, Am Bound When Ye Do What I Say”

D&C 82
10 I, the Lord, am bound when ye do what I say; but when ye do not what I say, ye have no promise.
Doctrine and Covenants 82

For all the literal-minded people out there, let me preface this whole article with the statement that the word “estate” as used here has nothing to do with property. I was preparing a lesson on part of the plan of salvation recently and realized I would be talking about the subject of what it means to keep our second estate, now that we have already kept our first estate. It was only then that I recognized that no one had ever defined for me what an estate was, or what it means to “keep” an estate. It seems reasonable to assume that if we had to keep one estate before we could earn the right to come here, and we have to keep this estate before we can become exalted, that perhaps we should know what it means to successfully “keep” an estate...

Abraham 3:26
26 And they who keep their first estate shall be added upon; and they who keep not their first estate shall not have glory in the same kingdom with those who keep their first estate; and they who keep their second estate shall have glory added upon their heads for ever and ever.
- Kelly Merrill
How to Keep Your Second Estate | Gospelstudy.us

“We are living eternal life, and our position hereafter will be the result of our lives here. Every man will be judged according to his works, and he will receive only that degree of glory that he has earned."
The Teachings of George Albert Smith, p.30, Conference Reports, April 1945, p. 139.

“Now, brethren and sisters, somebody said in this conference that the same laws apply, the same rules govern today, and it is just as necessary for us to keep the commandments of our Heavenly Father today as it was for any of the prophets of old or any of his faithful sons and daughters who have lived upon the earth, who have earned a right to a place in the celestial kingdom. We can’t gain our exaltation by the good lives of our neighbors, but we can profit by their good example, and we can improve ourselves.”
Eighth President George Albert Smith, Conference Reports, April 1948, pp.162-163

“There is only one objective so far as our Father’s work is concerned, and that is that in the end when we shall have finished our work here on earth, whether after a short space of time or a long, we too shall have overcome the world and have earned the right to that place called the Celestial Kingdom.”
Teachings of Presidents of the Church: Harold B. Lee, pp.230-231

“The demands of justice for broken law can be satisfied through mercy, earned by your continual repentance and obedience to the laws of God. Such repentance and obedience are absolutely essential for the Atonement to work its complete miracle in your life.”
Mormon Apostle Richard G. Scott, “The Atonement Can Secure Your Peace and Happiness,” Ensign (Conference Edition), November 2006, p.42

“It is the celestial glory which we seek. It is in the presence of God we desire to dwell. It is a forever family in which we want membership. Such blessings must be earned.”
(Thomas Monson, “An Invitation to Exaltation,” Ensign (Conference Edition), May 1988, p.56).

It's sad that so many people think they can earn eternal life, particularly by worshiping false gods and obeying false prophets.

Doctrine and Covenants 130
20 There is a law, irrevocably decreed in heaven before the foundations of this world, upon which all blessings are predicated—

21 And when we obtain any blessing from God, it is by obedience to that law upon which it is predicated.

He is the way · Dec 14, 2019

Phoebe Ann said:
Your false Christ's supposed ability to save depends on what you have earned (which is actually nothing). There is no mercy.

“I, the Lord, Am Bound When Ye Do What I Say”

D&C 82
10 I, the Lord, am bound when ye do what I say; but when ye do not what I say, ye have no promise.
Doctrine and Covenants 82

For all the literal-minded people out there, let me preface this whole article with the statement that the word “estate” as used here has nothing to do with property. I was preparing a lesson on part of the plan of salvation recently and realized I would be talking about the subject of what it means to keep our second estate, now that we have already kept our first estate. It was only then that I recognized that no one had ever defined for me what an estate was, or what it means to “keep” an estate. It seems reasonable to assume that if we had to keep one estate before we could earn the right to come here, and we have to keep this estate before we can become exalted, that perhaps we should know what it means to successfully “keep” an estate...

Abraham 3:26
26 And they who keep their first estate shall be added upon; and they who keep not their first estate shall not have glory in the same kingdom with those who keep their first estate; and they who keep their second estate shall have glory added upon their heads for ever and ever.
- Kelly Merrill
How to Keep Your Second Estate | Gospelstudy.us

“We are living eternal life, and our position hereafter will be the result of our lives here. Every man will be judged according to his works, and he will receive only that degree of glory that he has earned."
The Teachings of George Albert Smith, p.30, Conference Reports, April 1945, p. 139.

“Now, brethren and sisters, somebody said in this conference that the same laws apply, the same rules govern today, and it is just as necessary for us to keep the commandments of our Heavenly Father today as it was for any of the prophets of old or any of his faithful sons and daughters who have lived upon the earth, who have earned a right to a place in the celestial kingdom. We can’t gain our exaltation by the good lives of our neighbors, but we can profit by their good example, and we can improve ourselves.”
Eighth President George Albert Smith, Conference Reports, April 1948, pp.162-163

“There is only one objective so far as our Father’s work is concerned, and that is that in the end when we shall have finished our work here on earth, whether after a short space of time or a long, we too shall have overcome the world and have earned the right to that place called the Celestial Kingdom.”
Teachings of Presidents of the Church: Harold B. Lee, pp.230-231

“The demands of justice for broken law can be satisfied through mercy, earned by your continual repentance and obedience to the laws of God. Such repentance and obedience are absolutely essential for the Atonement to work its complete miracle in your life.”
Mormon Apostle Richard G. Scott, “The Atonement Can Secure Your Peace and Happiness,” Ensign (Conference Edition), November 2006, p.42

“It is the celestial glory which we seek. It is in the presence of God we desire to dwell. It is a forever family in which we want membership. Such blessings must be earned.”
(Thomas Monson, “An Invitation to Exaltation,” Ensign (Conference Edition), May 1988, p.56).

It's sad that so many people think they can earn eternal life, particularly by worshiping false gods and obeying false prophets.

Doctrine and Covenants 130
20 There is a law, irrevocably decreed in heaven before the foundations of this world, upon which all blessings are predicated—

21 And when we obtain any blessing from God, it is by obedience to that law upon which it is predicated.

It is of upmost importance that we obey the laws of God:

(New Testament | Hebrews 5:9)

9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

(New Testament | Hebrews 6:10 - 12)

10 For God is not unrighteous to forget your work and labour of love, which ye have shewed toward his name, in that ye have ministered to the saints, and do minister.
11 And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end:
12 That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.

(New Testament | Hebrews 6:4 - 6)

4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

LDS Mormon Doctrine Says You Can be Both Saved and Lost

"The crowd always chooses Barabbas."

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"The crowd always chooses Barabbas."

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...yet not I, but the grace of God that is with me

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...yet not I, but the grace of God that is with me

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...yet not I, but the grace of God that is with me

...yet not I, but the grace of God that is with me

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...yet not I, but the grace of God that is with me

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