Call transcript already Exonerates Trump

Kentonio · Nov 4, 2019

rjs330 said:
This is a ridiculous and pointless conversation. If the president murdered someone on the street he would lose his support. You and others are trying to call all of his supporters as people who would support a murderer. It's disgusting.

Trump was stupid and ignorant for saying that. But it's typical Trump speak which is often off the wall. For you to believe that his supporters would actually do that says more about you than about them.

So far they’ve gone along just fine with him trampling on the emoluments clause, committing rampant nepotism, obstruction of justice and repeated witness intimidation, smashing the whistleblower laws and using his office to smear a political rival. Who knows what else they’ll put up with?

rjs330 · Nov 4, 2019

Kaon said:
It is perfectly legit for a sitting US president to ask the president of a foreign nation to investigate his/her political rival with, and through the Attorney General of the US?

So that means that any democrat and president in the future should be able to do this and there should be no whining, right?

I am not a leftist, liberal, conservative, neo-conservative or neo-liberal. I am just bored with how people are letting themselves be exploited by such spiritually weak entities. But, I also understand no adult can be convinced of anything unless s/he allows it - so my intention isn't to get you to believe anything.

Feel free to get exploited; Trump is doing exactly what he is supposed to do with his constituency just like every politician. Fight your fellow man since that is an easy fight (as opposed to the corporate globalism that is really destroying your life). Feed off of your emotion and let it fuel your decisions so that you can be used and exploited for political and economic profit.

Everyone must be a spiritual agent for something.

So your stance is that if Biden would have been involved in a murder in Ukraine he's off limits because he might be a political opponant. Is that your stance? Possible political opponents are off limits no matter what they do?

You seem to espouse the left talking points and beliefs despite your claims. And the left has been exploited for sometime now by the news media and their politicians.

rjs330 · Nov 4, 2019

Kentonio said:
So far they’ve gone along just fine with him trampling on the emoluments clause, committing rampant nepotism, obstruction of justice and repeated witness intimidation, smashing the whistleblower laws and using his office to smear a political rival. Who knows what else they’ll put up with?

None of that has happened. It's all opinions. You want so badly to believe that yet no one has proven any of it.

Kentonio · Nov 4, 2019

rjs330 said:
None of that has happened. It's all opinions. You want so badly to believe that yet no one has proven any of it.

All of that has happened, been proven, often done in broad daylight with the President tweeting about how he did it, and his supporters simply don’t care.

Bobber · Nov 4, 2019

Kentonio said:
So far they’ve gone along just fine with him trampling on the emoluments clause, committing rampant nepotism, obstruction of justice and repeated witness intimidation, smashing the whistleblower laws and using his office to smear a political rival. Who knows what else they’ll put up with?

Sure you're not engaging in extreme hyperbole in the things you've said? I'd suggest you're way over the top.

Kentonio · Nov 4, 2019

Bobber said:
Sure you're not engaging in extreme hyperbole in the things you've said? I'd suggest you're way over the top.

No, I used a short list of things that were beyond doubt at this point. If I’d added the speculative stuff it would have turned into a novel.

Which ones of the list I posted do you doubt?

(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ) · Nov 4, 2019

Kentonio said:
Biden is not a sitting Vice President. As for investigating him, if there was some evidence to support it, there is a very clear process that can be followed to do so. What is not ok or legal however is the president trying to get his political rivals investigated using the weight of the US government with no evidence just because he wants to.

That’s clear political corruption intended to hurt Bidens credibility just like the ‘lock her up’ nonsense with Clinton hurt her campaign. You might notice that even after Trump won and the GOP controlled both houses of congress and the administration, they STILL didn’t actually have any evidence to lock her up with. As Trump well knows however, if you smear an opponent often enough, people will believe it regardless of evidence.

This comment is very rich considering the whole Mueller investigation was nothing but federally funded Democrat opposition research to look for anything that would get the president removed from office. You said "it is not okay for a president to investigate his political rivals". What the heck do you think the entire Mueller investigation was about? It was the Obama administration working with the DNC and Hillary Clinton to weaponize the Justice Department against a political rival (Trump)!

Kentonio · Nov 4, 2019

(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ) said:
This comment is very rich considering the whole Mueller investigation was nothing but federally funded Democrat opposition research to look for anything that would get the president removed from office. You said "it is not okay for a president to investigate his political rivals". What the heck do you think the entire Mueller investigation was about? It was the Obama administration working with the DNC and Hillary Clinton to weaponize the Justice Department against a political rival (Trump)!

You mean the Mueller investigation that was started by the DoJ led by a prominent Republican under a Republican administration, using a Republican special counsel, during a time when the Republicans held both Congress and Senate?

(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ) · Nov 4, 2019

Kentonio said:
You mean the part where Ukraine who were waiting for the US aid to buy Javelins remind Trump about said Javelins only to be met with Trump’s demand for a ‘favor’ first.

Cite the part of the transcript in which Trump even implied "you will get your javelins if you get me dirt on my political rival".

Kaon · Nov 4, 2019

rjs330 said:
So your stance is that if Biden would have been involved in a murder in Ukraine he's off limits because he might be a political opponant. Is that your stance? Possible political opponents are off limits no matter what they do?

Yes. Let the FBI, the CIA, Interpol, or Europol, investigate. That is one reason why they exist - to investigate international claims and crime interests. The presidential powers have limits that should not include not-so-subtle suggestions of economic prosperity or demise of foreign powers depending on the willingness to help get information on political opponents.

You seem to espouse the left talking points and beliefs despite your claims. And the left has been exploited for sometime now by the news media and their politicians.

You are seeing what you want to see. Everyone who would rather battle against their fellow citizen instead of actively fighting the system they vehemently oppose is being exploited. It doesn't matter if you are on the left, right or middle of it.

Kentonio · Nov 4, 2019

(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ) said:
Cite the part of the transcript in which Trump even implied "you will get your javelins if you get me dirt on my political rival".

The very first thing he says after they ask about the Javelins is:

“ I would like you to do us a favor though”

SimplyMe · Nov 4, 2019

(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ) said:
Cite the part of the transcript in which Trump even implied "you will get your javelins if you get me dirt on my political rival".

President Zelensky: "We are ready to continue to cooperate for the next steps specifically we are almost. ready to buy more Javelins from the United States for defense purposes."

Pres Trump: "I would like you to do us a favor though because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it."

ToddNotTodd · Nov 4, 2019

rjs330 said:
This is a ridiculous and pointless conversation. If the president murdered someone on the street he would lose his support. You and others are trying to call all of his supporters as people who would support a murderer. It's disgusting.

Trump was stupid and ignorant for saying that. But it's typical Trump speak which is often off the wall. For you to believe that his supporters would actually do that says more about you than about them.

I personally know two good conservative Christians who have specifically told me they would support Trump if he shot Hillary Clinton (for one) and Nancy Pelosi (for the other).

KCfromNC · Nov 4, 2019

(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ) said:
Citation please. Last I heard, only 37 percent want to see the president impeached.

I can't comment on what you claim to have heard, but you appear to be listening to sources stuck in September. A lot has happened since then.

Do Americans Support Impeaching Trump?

KCfromNC · Nov 4, 2019

SimplyMe said:
President Zelensky: "We are ready to continue to cooperate for the next steps specifically we are almost. ready to buy more Javelins from the United States for defense purposes."

Pres Trump: "I would like you to do us a favor though because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it."

Man, the goal of this thread and facts don't seem to get along very well.

KCfromNC · Nov 4, 2019

(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ) said:
This comment is very rich considering the whole Mueller investigation was nothing but federally funded Democrat opposition research to look for anything that would get the president removed from office.

Great rhetoric. Too bad the investigation was actually started by one of Donald's appointees. But other than not agreeing with reality, good point.

rambot · Nov 4, 2019

KCfromNC said:
I'm trying to figure out if this is projection. Or if it is a rationalization to ignore looking at the real reasons a majority of US voters have come to the conclusion that Donald should be impeached.

could you imagine how difficult it would be to view reality as a Trump supporter and have to think there was even a shred of credibility in the news?
Oh man
There was a time when most folks had very little opinion, informed or otherwise on the big newspapers. Those sleeping plebs had no knowledge of the fact that the New York Times and major journalism sites from around the world were all fake news.

Now Trump has unplugged them from the matrix that is soros' teet and they can get some pure information.
You know, from the guy who has lied 12,000 time since being president.

rambot · Nov 4, 2019

rjs330 said:
This is a ridiculous and pointless conversation. If the president murdered someone on the street he would lose his support. You and others are trying to call all of his supporters as people who would support a murderer. It's disgusting.

Trump was stupid and ignorant for saying that. But it's typical Trump speak which is often off the wall. For you to believe that his supporters would actually do that says more about you than about them.

We are currently watching him trying to gaslight America by normalizing his frequent impeachable offences. And 34% bought it (to be fair there are probably people who still fall for the Nigerian Prince emails)

Don't tell me what Trump supporters are or are not capable of anymore.

whatbogsends · Nov 4, 2019

rjs330 said:
Irrelevant, he's still not required to.

Then perhaps Trump shouldn't have lied about it.

whatbogsends · Nov 4, 2019

rjs330 said:
This is a ridiculous and pointless conversation. If the president murdered someone on the street he would lose his support. You and others are trying to call all of his supporters as people who would support a murderer. It's disgusting.

Trump was stupid and ignorant for saying that. But it's typical Trump speak which is often off the wall. For you to believe that his supporters would actually do that says more about you than about them.

No, what's disgusting is watching a sizable portion of the electorate continue to lower and lower the bar for what behavior is acceptable as Trump continuously exceeds his previous low.

Oh, how we long for the days when the worst he had done was to brag about being able to grab women by the privates because, when you're a celebrity, you can get away with anything.

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