Abortion is legal (again) in Alabama!

Desk trauma said:

This places the importance of getting people to conform to your sexual morality above lowering the number of abortions.

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Actually, this kind of teaching leads to more abortions in the long run. Eventually, the promiscuous lifestyle leads to a mistake that leads to having to get rid of the " mistake."

renniks said:

Actually, this kind of teaching leads to more abortions in the long run.

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The statistics demonstrate otherwise. The Colorado specifically and the falling abortion rate nation wide.

renniks said:

Actually, this kind of teaching leads to more abortions in the long run. Eventually, the promiscuous lifestyle leads to a mistake that leads to having to get rid of the " mistake."

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As an addendum I think you need to re-read the rules you agreed to abide by.

Desk trauma said:

As an addendum I think you need to re-read the rules you agreed to abide by.

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? Who am I supposedly flaming?

renniks said:

? Who am I supposedly flaming?

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Please read the section on ratings.

Desk trauma said:

The statistics demonstrate otherwise. The Colorado specifically and the falling abortion rate nation wide.

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"Pro-lifers offer a variety of explanations, grounded in the direct and indirect impact of the undeniable fact that awareness of unborn life is an all-time high, which works hand in glove with the influence of hundreds of protective pro-life laws,”

renniks said:

"Pro-lifers offer a variety of explanations, grounded in the direct and indirect impact of the undeniable fact that awareness of unborn life is an all-time high, which works hand in glove with the influence of hundreds of protective pro-life laws,”

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That un attributed quote is a response to my post how exactly?

renniks said:

You can doubt all you want, but it's a fact.

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Do you have proof of this?

renniks said:

I think the realization that actions have consequences should be taught instead of handing out free license to be promiscuous. This has only led to the worsening of society.

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Teens have always had sex. Abortions were happening before it became legal. And teaching about BC is about consequences. If you have sex , and don't use BC. The chances of getting pregnant goes up. They also teach no sex , no pregnancy.

Desk trauma said:

That un attributed quote is a response to my post how exactly?

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Awareness that this is a life, not a mass of tissue is why abortions are dropping, plus awareness of other options.

renniks said:

Awareness that this is a life, not a mass of tissue is why abortions are dropping, plus awareness of other options.

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Ah, unevidenced swing in opinion is responsible.

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN said:

Do you have proof of this?

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Why do you think abortion clinics don't want the save the storks busses near them? Why does planned Parenthood not want mandatory ultrasounds?

essentialsaltes said:

Who do you think pressures the schools to NOT offer comprehensive sex education?

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Who? and why do you ask? As the question seems a strange way to propose an answer to my question about Aryeh Jay's past because it seems completely unrelated to Aryeh Jay's past.

renniks said:

I think the realization that actions have consequences should be taught instead of handing out free license to be promiscuous. This has only led to the worsening of society.

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You didn't answer my question.

Do you think that forcing teenage girls to have babies is the best way to teach those girls about consequences?

Nithavela said:

You didn't answer my question.

Do you think that forcing teenage girls to have babies is the best way to teach those girls about consequences?

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The proprietor of drug war rant blog coined the term sadomoralism for this kind of thinking in regards to drug policy but I think it applies here as well.

Desk trauma said:

Supporting government or private programs that provide low/no cost long term birth control and comprehensive sex education (oddly I have yet to see a single pro-life group champion this but I would love to see it) before the fact to reduce unwanted pregnancies and a more robust social safety net to help remove the economic motivations for abortion. Things that actually work, unlike these for show abortion laws that have no hope of surviving a court challenge.

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You are proposing a cause and effect relationship between government programs and women not getting pregnant if they don't want a baby. I think you need to provide some evidence that such a relationship exists. Why do you think it odd that groups of people that don't want women to have their unborn killed are not champions of government programs? I don't see any reason they should champion them.

Nithavela said:

You didn't answer my question.

Do you think that forcing teenage girls to have babies is the best way to teach those girls about consequences?

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Your question is hilarious. Who is forcing teenage girls to have sex? And who is forcing the one that does not to be responsible for her own contraceptives? It seems like this cry from the left about women having control over their bodies doesn't apply to the initial act.?

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN said:

I've known people, that seen the fetus and heartbeat. And it didn't change their mind. And I know one person was glad, because God gave them a different child, that they wouldn't have had, if it wasn't for the abortion. I doubt people will be changing their mind, because of being forced to see the monitor and heartbeat. That's just wishful thinking.

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This is true. Some people are sub-human monsters. That's why we have whole groups dedicated to watching out for genocide.

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN said:

Keep dreaming. it's easy enough to get abortion pills on line. Worry about the born.

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it's the duplicity doesn't even phaze when pointed out. One minute its "How can you support equality for all humans without being willing to buy contraceptives for other people? They can't afford it?! It's so expensive". A few posts later it's "Ha. You'll never stop us from murdering the preborn! Abortificients are so cheap anybody can afford them!". Super cheap abortificients? Yes. Super cheap contraceptives? Can't afford them. The common denominator: protecting abortion.

Facts and logic don't matter to the anti-equality side. That should not surprise us, because that is the nature of bigotry, and bigotry is what we are dealing with here. Some people don't given intrinsic value to human life, as we see repeated over and over here. After you cut through all the double-speak and the smokescreens here is the crux of the matter: some people want the freedom to kill children who burden them. If a court decided the right to privacy protects killing infants up to six years old then the same people here saying to worry about the born would be here saying "worry about the toddlers". Then they would throw up different smokescreens about the price of gerber, formula, and diapers.

Larnievc said:

Um.

Do you know anything about human beings? The drive to have sex is a normal part of the human existence.

Taking precautions to prevent unwanted pregnancies is the best way to stop abortions.

Is the desire to stop abortions or stop people having sex?

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False dichotomy. It's to protect human rights and guarantee equality for ALL humans. Not just those with a voice to do so. It's also a desire for people to take responsibility for their actions. Without that, there can be no justice.

it's also a matter of justice advancing human rights and equality. Human equality means ALL humans. Not just those who have passed through a birth canal. Crime deserves punishment, and abortion is a crime against humanity.

Nithavela said:

You didn't answer my question.

Do you think that forcing teenage girls to have babies is the best way to teach those girls about consequences?

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The best way to learn about consequences is having to deal with them. Obviously.