Sanhedrin to sacrifice animal with 70 nations this week:

LittleLambofJesus · Sep 27, 2019

BABerean2 said:
I am sure the King of the Jews knows the difference in the verse below.

Mat 10:28 And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

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I would think so.............

Is the "GEHENNA" of Matt 23:33 the "LAKE OF FIRE" in Revelation? Poll thread

Matthew 10:28
And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in the gehenna.

Matthew 23:33 "Serpents! offspring of vipers!
how? ye may be fleeing from the judging<2920> of the Gehenna <1067>

The Great City/Harlot/Queen Revelation chapts 17-19

Revelation 18:
12 Cargo of
gold and silver, and precious stone and pearl
and fine linen and purple, [Luke 16:19/Revelation 18:16]
and silk, and scarlet, and all thyne wood, and every vessel of ivory, and every vessel of most precious wood and brass and iron and marble
13 and cinnamon, and odours, and ointment, and frankincense, and wine and oil and fine flour and wheat and cattle and sheep and of horses and of chariots
and of bodies and souls of men.

Gehenna - Wikipedia

Gehenna is a small valley in Jerusalem. In the Hebrew Bible, Gehenna was initially where some of the kings of Judah sacrificed their children by fire.[1] Thereafter, it was deemed to be cursed (Jer. 7:31, 19:2–6).[2]

In rabbinic literature Gehenna is a destination of the wicked.[3] This is different from the more neutral Sheol/Hades, the abode of the dead, although the King James Version of the Bible usually translates both with the Anglo-Saxon word "hell".

In the King James Version of the Bible, the term appears 13 times in 11 different verses as Valley of Hinnom, Valley of the son of Hinnom or Valley of the children of Hinnom.

The Valley of Hinnom is the modern name for the valley surrounding Jerusalem's Old City, including Mount Zion, from the west and south. It meets and merges with the Kidron Valley, the other principal valley around the Old City, near the southeastern corner of the city.

Isa 41:14
“Fear not, you worm Jacob, You men of Israel! I will help you,” says the LORD And your Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel.

Isa 51:8
For the moth will eat them up like a garment,
And the worm will eat them like wool;
But My righteousness will be forever,
And My salvation from generation to generation.”

Isa 66:24
“And they shall go forth and look Upon the corpses of the men Who have transgressed against Me.
For their worm does not die, And their fire is not quenched.
They shall be an abhorrence to all flesh.”

Mar 9:44
“where ‘Their worm does not die,
And the fire is not quenched.'
Mar 9:46
“where ‘Their worm does not die,
And the fire is not quenched.'
Mar 9:48
“where ‘Their worm does not die,
And the fire is not quenched.'

BABerean2 · Sep 27, 2019

LittleLambofJesus said:
I would think so.............

Matthew 10:28
And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in the gehenna.

Matthew 23:33 "Serpents! offspring of vipers!
how? ye may be fleeing from the judging<2920> of the Gehenna <1067>

Revelation 18:
12 Cargo of
gold and silver, and precious stone and pearl
and fine linen and purple, [Luke 16:19/Revelation 18:16]
and silk, and scarlet, and all thyne wood, and every vessel of ivory, and every vessel of most precious wood and brass and iron and marble
13 and cinnamon, and odours, and ointment, and frankincense, and wine and oil and fine flour and wheat and cattle and sheep and of horses and of chariots
and of bodies and souls of men.

Isa 41:14
“Fear not, you worm Jacob, You men of Israel! I will help you,” says the LORD And your Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel.

Isa 51:8
For the moth will eat them up like a garment,
And the worm will eat them like wool;
But My righteousness will be forever,
And My salvation from generation to generation.”

Isa 66:24
“And they shall go forth and look Upon the corpses of the men Who have transgressed against Me.
For their worm does not die, And their fire is not quenched.
They shall be an abhorrence to all flesh.”

Mar 9:44
“where ‘Their worm does not die,
And the fire is not quenched.'
Mar 9:46
“where ‘Their worm does not die,
And the fire is not quenched.'
Mar 9:48
“where ‘Their worm does not die,
And the fire is not quenched.'

Did God cast the wicked angels into the garbage dump in the verse below?

2Pe_2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

Are they now waiting in the garbage dump until their judgment?

Is the verse above about 70 AD?

The following is found at the YouTube source you provided.
Are you promoting "Universal Salvation"?

"Defining and Defending the Doctrine of Universal Salvation of all mankind through Jesus Christ."

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LittleLambofJesus · Sep 27, 2019

BABerean2 said:
Did God cast the wicked angels into the garbage dump in the verse below?
2Pe_2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
Are they now waiting in the garbage dump until their judgment?

Is the verse above about 70 AD?
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You need to ditch the KJV...that is more of a beginner's Bible
I prefer to go to the Greek :idea:

A thread for your viewing pleasure.....

What about 2 Peter 2:4 "Tartarus"

LittleLambofJesus said: ↑
What is this place that Peter mentions in the passage below?

2 Peter 2
1And there did come also false prophets among the people, as also among you there shall be false teachers, who shall bring in besides destructive sects, and the Master who bought them denying, bringing to themselves quick destruction, 2and many shall follow out their destructive ways, because of whom the way of the truth shall be evil spoken of, 3and in covetousness, with moulded words, of you they shall make merchandise, whose judgment of old is not idle, and their destruction doth not slumber.

4For if God messengers who sinned did not spare, but with chains of thick gloom, having cast [them] down to Tartarus, did deliver [them] to judgment, having been reserved, 5and the old world did not spare, but the eighth person, Noah, of righteousness a preacher, did keep, a flood on the world of the impious having brought, 6and the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah having turned to ashes, with an overthrow did condemn, an example to those about to be impious having set [them];
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Tartarus - Wikipedia

In Greek mythology, Tartarus (/ˈtɑːrtərəs/; Ancient Greek: Τάρταρος, Tartaros)[1] is the deep abyss that is used as a dungeon of torment and suffering for the wicked and as the prison for the Titans. Tartarus is the place where, according to Plato's Gorgias (c. 400 BC), souls are judged after death and where the wicked received divine punishment. Tartarus is also considered to be a primordial force or deity alongside entities such as the Earth, Night and Time.

BABerean2 · Sep 27, 2019

LittleLambofJesus said:
You need to ditch the KJV...that is more of a beginner's Bible.......I prefer to go to the Greek

A thread for your viewing pleasure.....

Is the phrase "Universal Salvation" found in the Greek text?

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LittleLambofJesus · Sep 27, 2019

LittleLambofJesus said:
You need to ditch the KJV...that is more of a beginner's Bible
I prefer to go to the Greek

A thread for your viewing pleasure.....

What about 2 Peter 2:4 "Tartarus"

LittleLambofJesus said: ↑
What is this place that Peter mentions in the passage below?

2 Peter 2
1And there did come also false prophets among the people, as also among you there shall be false teachers, who shall bring in besides destructive sects, and the Master who bought them denying, bringing to themselves quick destruction, 2and many shall follow out their destructive ways, because of whom the way of the truth shall be evil spoken of, 3and in covetousness, with moulded words, of you they shall make merchandise, whose judgment of old is not idle, and their destruction doth not slumber.

4For if God messengers who sinned did not spare, but with chains of thick gloom, having cast [them] down to Tartarus, did deliver [them] to judgment, having been reserved, 5and the old world did not spare, but the eighth person, Noah, of righteousness a preacher, did keep, a flood on the world of the impious having brought, 6and the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah having turned to ashes, with an overthrow did condemn, an example to those about to be impious having set [them];
===========================
Tartarus - Wikipedia

In Greek mythology, Tartarus (/ˈtɑːrtərəs/; Ancient Greek: Τάρταρος, Tartaros)[1] is the deep abyss that is used as a dungeon of torment and suffering for the wicked and as the prison for the Titans. Tartarus is the place where, according to Plato's Gorgias (c. 400 BC), souls are judged after death and where the wicked received divine punishment. Tartarus is also considered to be a primordial force or deity alongside entities such as the Earth, Night and Time.

BABerean2 said: ↑
I am sure the King of the Jews knows the difference in the verse below.

Mat 10:28 And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

LittleLambofJesus said:
I would think so.............

Is the "GEHENNA" of Matt 23:33 the "LAKE OF FIRE" in Revelation? Poll thread

Matthew 10:28
And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in the gehenna.

Matthew 23:33 "Serpents! offspring of vipers!
how? ye may be fleeing from the judging<2920> of the Gehenna <1067>

The Great City/Harlot/Queen Revelation chapts 17-19

Revelation 18:
12 Cargo of
gold and silver, and precious stone and pearl
and fine linen and purple, [Luke 16:19/Revelation 18:16]
and silk, and scarlet, and all thyne wood, and every vessel of ivory, and every vessel of most precious wood and brass and iron and marble
13 and cinnamon, and odours, and ointment, and frankincense, and wine and oil and fine flour and wheat and cattle and sheep and of horses and of chariots
and of bodies and souls of men.

Gehenna - Wikipedia

Gehenna is a small valley in Jerusalem. In the Hebrew Bible, Gehenna was initially where some of the kings of Judah sacrificed their children by fire.[1] Thereafter, it was deemed to be cursed (Jer. 7:31, 19:2–6).[2]

In rabbinic literature Gehenna is a destination of the wicked.[3] This is different from the more neutral Sheol/Hades, the abode of the dead, although the King James Version of the Bible usually translates both with the Anglo-Saxon word "hell".

In the King James Version of the Bible, the term appears 13 times in 11 different verses as Valley of Hinnom, Valley of the son of Hinnom or Valley of the children of Hinnom.

The Valley of Hinnom is the modern name for the valley surrounding Jerusalem's Old City, including Mount Zion, from the west and south. It meets and merges with the Kidron Valley, the other principal valley around the Old City, near the southeastern corner of the city.

Isa 41:14
“Fear not, you worm Jacob, You men of Israel! I will help you,” says the LORD And your Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel.

Isa 51:8
For the moth will eat them up like a garment,
And the worm will eat them like wool;
But My righteousness will be forever,
And My salvation from generation to generation.”

Isa 66:24
“And they shall go forth and look Upon the corpses of the men Who have transgressed against Me.
For their worm does not die, And their fire is not quenched.
They shall be an abhorrence to all flesh.”

Mar 9:44
“where ‘Their worm does not die,
And the fire is not quenched.'
Mar 9:46
“where ‘Their worm does not die,
And the fire is not quenched.'
Mar 9:48
“where ‘Their worm does not die,
And the fire is not quenched.'

BABerean2 said: ↑
Did God cast the wicked angels into the garbage dump in the verse below?
2Pe_2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
Are they now waiting in the garbage dump until their judgment?

LittleLambofJesus said:
You need to ditch the KJV...that is more of a beginner's Bible
I prefer to go to the Greek

A thread for your viewing pleasure.....

What about 2 Peter 2:4 "Tartarus"

LittleLambofJesus said: ↑
What is this place that Peter mentions in the passage below?

2 Peter 2
1And there did come also false prophets among the people, as also among you there shall be false teachers, who shall bring in besides destructive sects, and the Master who bought them denying, bringing to themselves quick destruction, 2and many shall follow out their destructive ways, because of whom the way of the truth shall be evil spoken of, 3and in covetousness, with moulded words, of you they shall make merchandise, whose judgment of old is not idle, and their destruction doth not slumber.

4For if God messengers who sinned did not spare, but with chains of thick gloom, having cast [them] down to Tartarus, did deliver [them] to judgment, having been reserved, 5and the old world did not spare, but the eighth person, Noah, of righteousness a preacher, did keep, a flood on the world of the impious having brought, 6and the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah having turned to ashes, with an overthrow did condemn, an example to those about to be impious having set [them];
===========================
Tartarus - Wikipedia

In Greek mythology, Tartarus (/ˈtɑːrtərəs/; Ancient Greek: Τάρταρος, Tartaros)[1] is the deep abyss that is used as a dungeon of torment and suffering for the wicked and as the prison for the Titans. Tartarus is the place where, according to Plato's Gorgias (c. 400 BC), souls are judged after death and where the wicked received divine punishment. Tartarus is also considered to be a primordial force or deity alongside entities such as the Earth, Night and Time.

BABerean2 said:
Is the phrase "Universal Salvation" found in the Greek text?

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Is the word "Hell" in the Bible?

[Please ditch the KJVperVersion .......]

Luke 16 "Rich Man/Poor Man" parable.....The most misunderstood/misinterpreted Parable in the NT?

Luke 16:23 And in the hades lifting up his eyes existing in torments, he is seeing Abraham from afar and Lazarus in the bosoms of him.
24 And he sounding said "Father Abraham! be you merciful to-me! and send Lazarus! that he should be dipping the tip of the finger of him of water and should be cooling down the tongue of me, that I am being anguished in this flame".

"And being in torments in Hades.......................
In contrast to Lazarus, the rich man was buried in Hades.
An understanding of the original meaning of the Greek word hades is necessary to grasp the message of the parable. Regarding the possible etymology of this word, the The New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology states that hades ". . . comes from idein (to see) with the negative prefix, a-, and so would mean the invisible . . . In the LXX hades occurs more than 100 times, in the majority of instances to translate Heb. she'ol, the underworld which receives all the dead. It is the land of darkness . . ." (p. 206, vol. 2).

Most likely, hades originally meant "unseen." Later, it came to refer to the hidden state of those buried in the earth. Symbolically, this parable shows that a point would come when the House of Judah would become "unseen" by God, out of favor because of their unbelief. There would come a time when the Jews as a whole would no longer be God's favored nation. God would harden their hearts, leading them to reject their Messiah (John 1:11).

Did Jesus literally descend into a burning hellfire?

Did Jesus Really Descend into Hell? | Zondervan Academic
The widely used Apostles’ Creed reads, “was crucified, dead, and buried, he descended into hell; the third day he rose again from the dead.”
But the phrase “he descended into hell” does not occur in the Bible.....

Acts 2:27
BECAUSE YOU WILL NOT ABANDON MY SOUL TO HADES, NOR ALLOW YOUR HOLY ONE TO UNDERGO DECAY.

1 Peter 3:19
in which also to the spirits in prison having gone he did preach,

Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers
(27) Thou wilt not leave my soul in hell.—Literally, in Hades. (See Note on Matthew 11:23.)
As interpreted by St. Peter’s words in his Epistle (1Peter 3:19), the words conveyed to his mind the thought which has been embodied in the article of the “Descent into Hell,” or Hades, in the Apostle’s Creed. The death of Christ was an actual death, and while the body was laid in the grave, the soul passed into the world of the dead, the Sheol of the Hebrews, the Hades of the Greeks, to carry on there the redemptive work which had been begun on earth. (Comp. Acts 13:34-37, and Ephesians 4:9.) Here again we have an interesting coincidence with St. Peter’s language (1Peter 3:19), as to the work of Christ in preaching to the “spirits in prison.”
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Matthew 23: 33 "Serpents! offspring of vipers! how? ye may be fleeing from the judging<2920> of the Gehenna <1067>

LittleLambofJesus · Sep 27, 2019

LittleLambofJesus said: ↑
I am assuming that you know there is a difference between GEHENNA AND HADES....or then again, maybe not. I am quite sure the Jews know the difference........

BABerean2 said: ↑
I am sure the King of the Jews knows the difference in the verse below.

Mat 10:28 And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

LittleLambofJesus said: ↑
I would think so.............
Matthew 10:28
And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in the gehenna.
Matthew 23:33 "Serpents! offspring of vipers!
how? ye may be fleeing from the judging<2920> of the Gehenna <1067>.....

BABerean2 said: ↑
Did God cast the wicked angels into the garbage dump in the verse below?
2Pe_2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
Are they now waiting in the garbage dump until their judgment?

LittleLambofJesus said:
You need to ditch the KJV...that is more of a beginner's Bible
I prefer to go to the Greek
A thread for your viewing pleasure.....

What about 2 Peter 2:4 "Tartarus"

LittleLambofJesus said: ↑
What is this place that Peter mentions in the passage below?

2 Peter 2
1And there did come also false prophets among the people, as also among you there shall be false teachers, who shall bring in besides destructive sects, and the Master who bought them denying, bringing to themselves quick destruction, 2and many shall follow out their destructive ways, because of whom the way of the truth shall be evil spoken of, 3and in covetousness, with moulded words, of you they shall make merchandise, whose judgment of old is not idle, and their destruction doth not slumber.

4For if God messengers who sinned did not spare, but with chains of thick gloom, having cast [them] down to Tartarus, did deliver [them] to judgment, having been reserved, 5and the old world did not spare, but the eighth person, Noah, of righteousness a preacher, did keep, a flood on the world of the impious having brought, 6and the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah having turned to ashes, with an overthrow did condemn, an example to those about to be impious having set [them];
===========================
Tartarus - Wikipedia

In Greek mythology, Tartarus (/ˈtɑːrtərəs/; Ancient Greek: Τάρταρος, Tartaros)[1] is the deep abyss that is used as a dungeon of torment and suffering for the wicked and as the prison for the Titans. Tartarus is the place where, according to Plato's Gorgias (c. 400 BC), souls are judged after death and where the wicked received divine punishment. Tartarus is also considered to be a primordial force or deity alongside entities such as the Earth, Night and Time.

BABerean2 said:
Is the phrase "Universal Salvation" found in the Greek text?
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If you want to discuss that topic, there are a plethora of threads on CF.
Just do a search "universalism"........."universal salvation" and discuss it on those.

https://www.google.com/search?q=uni...X60KHXzzC2cQrQIoBDAAegQIARAN&biw=1366&bih=626
"universal salvation" christian forums.......About 2,030 results (0.45 seconds)
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A few threads from that search:

The Reality of Universal Salvation in Scripture
The Reality of Universal Salvation in Scripture (2)
The Reality of Universal Salvation in Scripture (3)

SpiritDriven said: ↑
Hello all, this thread is for those who want to learn about, Gods great plan of Salvation via Scripture.

All are welcome here.... I am sure we will see some great insights here in this thread from those who have already come to the relisation of the truth,............
Peace

Conditional immortality[endless annihilation] or Universal salvation?

Timothew said: ↑
Thanks. I started that thread, but it was closed because the traditionalists could not debate without getting testy.

Where I am coming from is really very obvious. The Bible itself says that the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. This means exactly what it says. It is only those who have a different dogma to push that have to change this to mean either "eternal torture in hell" or "everyone goes to heaven."

Have you really never seen Romans 6:23???

ClementofA said:
I noticed the poll in that thread. Only about 5%, if i recall, voted for the universalist viewpoint & the rest were about equally divided between the other 2 options. So my ideas here may be of a small minority of members at this site.

Regarding Romans 6:23 i don't see this as an especially difficult scripture for the all will be saved eventually opinion. Perhaps you've seen the following here before from Hillsage or others, so it will be old news for you.

It seems to me there are at least two ways universalists can harmonize Romans 6:23 with universalism, thus:

1) Romans 6:23 does not deny that all will eventually recieve the gift of eternal life. Thus it is in harmony with passages believed to support UR, e.g. Rom. 5:18-19 of the previous chapter of Romans. Or Lamentations 3:31, no one is cast off by the Lord forever. (NIV). Or 1 Tim.2:4-6 & 4:10, etc.

2) In more literal translations Romans 6:23 is speaking of eonian life (CLV, YLT, Roth, WEY, etc) not eternal life, which Jesus said believers would obtain in the eon (age) to come (Mk.10:30). While Paul & the author of Revelation both speak of more than one eon to come (e.g. Eph.2:7). Thus eonian life can be understood as ending at the end of the next eon, to be followed by at least one more eon or age. BTW, the early church father, Origen, spoke of what is "after eonian life" (eternal life, KJV).

Thus Romans 6:23 harmonizes with passages that speak of the chosen [church] as "firstfruits" of His creatures (James 1), each in His own order/class raised to immortality, first Christ, then the church & finally the end class [those who die in sin] (1 Cor.15:22-28), God the Saviour of all, but "especially" those who believe now [in this life] (1 Tim.4:10), a ransom for all...to be testified in its own eras (1Tim.2:4-6), proclamations to the dead (1Pet.3:18-20; 4:6), etc.

References & for further reading on these subjects, particularly point 2 above:

Journal of Analytic Theology

The Eonian Times, by Leon A. Bynoe
Kolasis
Eonion Life, Not Eternal Life
What is "Eonian Life"?
http://www.kingdomandglory.com/eon2/eon3.htm
Eonian Life, by M. Jaegle
That Happy Expectation: Eternal or Eonian? Part Five (The Greek Adjective Aiónios)
Comparative Concordance of how the Greek words aion and aionios are translated in various Bible translations
Konstan and Ramelli 6: Aiônios and aïdios in Origen (Guest post, part 6)

Universal Salvation - Did you know that this is at the core of the Gospel?

Hewillcome2040 said: ↑
Jesus will eventually save everyone. This is at the core of the Gospel.

Ask yourself this:

1.) Who creates Life?
2.) Who does everything with a purpose?
3.) Who never fails?
4.) Who gets what He desires?
5.) Who desires that none should be lost forever?
6.) Who desires that all should be saved?
7.) Who will is greater - man or God?
8.) Can God persuade?
9.) Can God fail to persuade?
10.) Does God have the power to save everyone?

Universal Salvation and Belief

cloudyday2 said:
There are some verses in the NT that mention belief in the process of salvation. (e.g. Acts 16:30-33). On the other hand, if belief is required for salvation, then several problems are created:
(1) Is belief a choice or a response to evidence?
(2) Is belief a human work or a gift of grace from God?
(3) How much belief is required for salvation? Are you really saved?

Maybe we can eliminate these problems by assuming universal salvation. The "good news" to be preached is universal salvation. The role of belief is to give people the necessary hope to begin living more righteous lives. This is why people believe and are then baptized.

So can you find some quotes from the Bible or other early Christian writings to show this idea is wrong?

BABerean2 · Sep 27, 2019

LittleLambofJesus said:
If you want to discuss that topic, there are a plethora of threads on CF.
Just do a search "universalism"........."universal salvation" and discuss it on those.

What I want is for you to quit promoting Full-Preterist, and Universalist sources on this thread.

If you are promoting those issues, be honest about it, and take it to another place on this forum.
See the rules of the forum found below.

"Unorthodox Christian theology may only be discussed in the Controversial Christian Theology forum. These unorthodox topics do not directly oppose the Nicene Creed, but are not considered to be orthodox on CF. These unorthodox topics may not contradict the Nicene Creed. Non-Trinitarianism may only be discussed in the Outreach category forums. Gnosticism may not be discussed in any CF forums. The Controversial Christian Theology forum is open to Christian members only (faith groups list). Unorthodox Christian theological topics include (but are not limited to):

Annihilationism
Full Preterism
Open Theism
Universalism"

.

LittleLambofJesus · Sep 27, 2019

BABerean2 said:
What I want is for you to quit promoting Full-Preterist, and Universalist sources on this thread.

If you are promoting those issues, be honest about it, and take it to another place on this forum.
See the rules of the forum found below.

"Unorthodox Christian theology may only be discussed in the Controversial Christian Theology forum. These unorthodox topics do not directly oppose the Nicene Creed, but are not considered to be orthodox on CF. These unorthodox topics may not contradict the Nicene Creed. Non-Trinitarianism may only be discussed in the Outreach category forums. Gnosticism may not be discussed in any CF forums. The Controversial Christian Theology forum is open to Christian members only (faith groups list). Unorthodox Christian theological topics include (but are not limited to):

Annihilationism

Full Preterism

Open Theism

Universalism"

.

I don't promote any of them........you are the one that brings them up..........All I post is ACCURATE scripture........

You are guilty of using bad translations, as do most Futurists/Dispeonsationalist/Zionists......[I have mentioned this numerous times to you]

But for those interested in discussing different forms of Preterism, here is a thread......

Partial Preterism, Full Preterism vs Hyper Preterism

LittleLambofJesus said:
On another thread, there was this link mentioning F P vs H P.
I have never heard much of H P
Discuss.......

Christ, Israel, and the fall of Jerusalem

Discussion on Consistent Preterism and the Impact of AD70 as the Terminal Date (2015)

I think we need to distinguish between full preterism and hyper-preterism.
Full preterism is an optimistic eschatology.
Don’t think I can say the same thing about hyper-preterism, which has led some right out of Christianity

The Devil, Prison, Saints and "10 days" in Revelation 2:10

GEHENNA/HELL "Lake of Fire" "Valley of Hinnon/Slaughter" 1st century Judea/Jerusalem

Lake of Fire

mkgal1 said:
If this phrase means "hell" then why didn't Jesus or Paul (or any of the disciples) ever teach that the Lake of Fire is a place of everlasting punishment in the afterlife? You'd expect that to be their main focus if that were the case - and we'd have that teaching recorded for us in the Scripture.....but I don't see it.

mkgal1 · Sep 27, 2019

BABerean2 said:
Furthermore, it is Talmudic, not Sharia, policies that are driving America’s federal government (and most, if not all, of our State governments) today. Abortion-on-demand, inappropriate contentography, government thievery, gun control, a burgeoning police state, teaching the theory of evolution as fact, atheistic public education, perpetual war, using the accusation of antisemitism as a tool to silence critics, passing laws against people who would boycott Israel over its genocidal treatment of the Palestinian people, the judicial branch of government circumventing the legislative branch by creating laws from the bench, the relentless attacks on America’s Founding Fathers, the Zionist media’s “1619 Project,” etc., ad infinitum, are all tools and tenets of Talmudism.

That's an odd list to assign to "tools and tenets of Talmudism".

Those phrases also seem to be infused with bias ("atheistic public education"? - we *should* have separation of church and state, otherwise we DO open our country up to the possibility of a corrupt theocracy). And gun control? That's certainly not limited to the agenda of those that promote Talmudism. Enough parents in our country live with the fear of sending their children off to schools with the anxiety that they may not come home. Enough people wonder if they should attend festivals anymore - because they could be victims of another mass shooting. Just because a person is in favor of gun control does not mean they are promoting Talmudism.

BABerean2 · Sep 27, 2019

mkgal1 said:
Enough parents in our country live with the fear of sending their children off to schools with the anxiety that they may not come home. Enough people wonder if they should attend festivals anymore - because they could be victims of another mass shooting.

As a retired Middle School teacher, who was asked to teach Hunter Safety by my state's Wildlife Resources Commission, I can honestly say that most are clueless about keeping the children in our schools safe. I brought my firearms to school during that training and nobody batted an eye.
However, all of that changed after Columbine, when school resource officer Neal Gardner failed to do his job. He stayed outside the building, while students were slaughtered inside.

I have also been asked to lock the door of my classroom, which was full of students, and sit quietly hoping that nobody would try to break the door open, because I was totally defenseless, and unable to defend my students.

Some states are now allowing teachers to carry a small pistol in their pocket, while at school. If done properly, nobody will know it is there, unless it is needed.
You cannot make the sheep safer by putting a muzzle on the sheepdog.

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mkgal1 · Sep 27, 2019

BABerean2 said:
As a retired Middle School teacher, who was asked to teach Hunter Safety by my state's Wildlife Resources Commission, I can honestly say that most are clueless about keeping the children in our schools safe.

I have also been asked to lock the door of my classroom, which was full of students, and sit quietly hoping that nobody would try to break the door open, because I was totally defenseless, and unable to defend my students.

Some states are now allowing teachers to carry a small pistol in their pocket, while at school. If done properly, nobody will know it is there, unless it is needed.
You cannot make the sheep safer by putting a muzzle on the sheepdog.

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I believe you've missed my point.

I'm not interested in debating about teachers carrying guns (Lord have mercy) but I am in favor of gun control - BUT I am NOT in favor of theocratic laws in our country of ANY sort (in fact, you could add to my list of what I'd advocate for is also "atheistic public education" (leaving God out of it at the public level) - which is the *opposite* of what I'd imagine a person with an agenda of extremist Talmudism would advocate for).

BABerean2 · Sep 28, 2019

mkgal1 said:
I believe you've missed my point.

I'm not interested in debating about teachers carrying guns (Lord have mercy) but I am in favor of gun control - BUT I am NOT in favor of theocratic laws in our country of ANY sort (in fact, you could add to my list of what I'd advocate for is also "atheistic public education" (leaving God out of it at the public level) - which is the *opposite* of what I'd imagine a person with an agenda of extremist Talmudism would advocate for).

At one time in my life I was a hunter who believed all handguns should be banned.

Then I read the Federalist Papers which explain why the United States Constitution has a Second Amendment. If you truly want to understand the Second Amendment read the 1982 United States Senate report titled, "The Right to Keep and Bear Arms".
(See the link below.)

rkba82.htm

Alcohol kills more people than firearms, but the liberals will never give up their liquor.

Firearms are often used by those who are weaker, to defend themselves.
This is a fact.

Before the United States entered World War 2 members of the NRA boxed up their rifles and sent them to the British to fight the Germans.

The Japanese admiral who lead the attack on Pearl Harbor said if his nation attacked the mainland of the United States there would be a rifle behind every blade of grass. My father and his brothers joined the military to make sure that was never necessary.

I practice gun control on a regular basis on the shooting range in my back yard. I fire into a pile of dirt to keep the bullets on my property.

You can feel free to put up a sign in your yard letting all the criminals know that your home has no firearms.
They will appreciate your gun control efforts.

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