Is this God's plan for my life, or Satan's plan? How do I tell?

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Okay, so this is going to be rather long, I apologize for the length but I've been considering this for well over a month now and I honestly don't know what to do.

Okay, so let me start from the beginning. Since I was about six months old I've had the talent of playing video games. I'm actually very good at playing them and have been for a REALLY long time. However, the video games that I've enjoyed/been good at playing throughout my life were definitely not "Godly" games. I've been playing RPGs since I was about three years old, shooters since I was about eight years old, and games like GTA from 16-27 or so. I've also massively enjoyed playing the Harvest Moon series ever since the first game came out on the SNES. Despite it's constant references to Alcoholism and sexuality (Especially Harvest Moon 64. It CONSTANTLY references alcoholism and sexuality).

I don't play GTA anymore, idk why it just convicts the hell out of me. Especially after I became a Christian. But I do still love to play RPGs (Especially JRPGs) and MMO's and occasionally shooter games. Games like that that are definitely NOT Godly and are clearly Satanic.

I've also from the age of about eight or so, have been extremely talented in computers. When I was around 10 years old I coded my own website (Which eventually got hacked because I used "password" as my password but hey! I was 10-11 years old! Ofc I was dumb like that." and I've been repairing and building computers ever since I was at a very young age.

So those basically, are the only two skills that God has given me. I can sometimes do math in my head but basic math like addition,subtraction, multiplication, and divison. When it comes to algebra and up, I literally can't comprehend that kind of math. I've completely flunked every algebra class I've ever taken in my life. I've also almost completely forgotten how you do fractions but I do remember I had a lot of difficulty learning fractions in 5th grade.

Anyway, my "skill" in math isn't really advanced enough for me to use it for the glory of God.

However, I've been feeling lead into playing more and more video games and using my computer talents more and more over the course of the last several months. After mostly giving them all up for 2-3 years because they were "sins against God" and "Not what God wants from me." But, I feel like God has lead me into starting to care about computers again. My wife and I just recently upgraded my rig which was in definite need of an upgrade because I last upgraded it basically back in 2013. I usually upgrade my rig every 3-4 years or so. So God provided me an upgraded rig. I also badly need to upgrade my wife's system because I bought her basically something weaker than a microwave oven but it was all I could afford when I bought it so, I provided it for her so that we could play video games together.

I believe he provided me that upgraded rig so that I can play various video games to do soul winning and charity on. My wife and I have been playing one particular game called World Of Warcraft that I've been playing pretty much ever since 2006 and she's being playing since 2014-15 or so.

We both really love the game and constantly come back to it. But, this particular leading of the "Holy Spirit" wants me to use World Of Warcraft as a game of soul winning and charity since I'm very talented at making gold for that game and you can pay for your subscription with gold on that game. So, I've been giving people free bags on that game, free game time, free gold for expenditures, just... whatever they need. I have a lot of gold on WoW and I can make millions and millions of gold very easily so it's charity that really isn't hard for me to do because I'm skilled in that area. All the while leading up to telling them about Christ. Since then God has blessed me with a Christian friend on there who saw one of my soul winning messages in trade chat and felt obligated to whisper me. We've been battle.net friends ever since. He also blessed me with this other friend who I believe he wants me to work on to bring to Christ. This friend has been helping my wife and I advance in the game every chance he can get so, he's a really good guy. He is however, an atheist so yay! Someone I can work on!

My wife and I met another good friend on another "satanic" game called Wizard 101 who grew up in a Christian family. This particular friend is very suicidal and depressed and has attempted suicide several times in the time since I've known him. But, he has come to me for advice numerous times about this particular problem and seems genuinely interested in what I have to say about Christ. So, I think eventually with much prodding from me, he will eventually come to Christ again "For real". Since, he was only a "christian" before because he grew up in a Christian home and then when one of his pastors raped him he stopped believing altogether because, how could God "allow" that to happen. Basically.

So God's been blessing me with multitudes of friends both Christian and non Christian. The only problem is, they're online. I literally have nobody to talk to IRL but my wife and occasionally my mom and dad. I'll talk to my sister like once a year.

But, I'm being either blessed by God or by Satan. If Satan was the one who gave me these two gifts than, he gave me gifts that give me fulfillment and joy in my life. And why would Satan want that? Satan just wants to devour me and to get me to lose my salvation. Which, just isn't possible. How do I know that? The entirety of the NT teaches that it is.

I know, when always coming to an important decision in your life like this you should always turn to scripture and prayer. Well, here's the thing scripture has verses both for this, and against this, and idk which ones to pick and go with.

Here are a few scriptures for it:

Ephesians 2:10, Exodus 35:10, James 1:17, 1 Corinthians 12:1-11, 1 Peter 4:10-11, Exodus 31:3-5, Matthew 5:14-16, Romans 12:6-7, 1 Timothy 4:4, Jeremiah 29:11.

and here a few against it:

Revelation 21:8, Leviticus 20:16, Revelation 22:15, Galatians 5:19-21, 1 John 4:1, 1 Corinthians 6:9-10.

As for prayer, I've been praying about this quite frequently ever since the "Holy Spirits" first leadings, opened up several topics dodging around this issue because quite frankly, I'm embarrassed that I'm even asking for advice on such an issue. I mean, several people are going to be for it and several people are going to be against it, so how do I know which one to choose? Eventually, I'm going to have to trust in either the "wrong" or "right" choice.

But you know what the stupidest thing is? I believe that God is going to bless me and desires for me to be playing these Satanic video games! Sure, a soul won to Christ is a soul won to Christ and the more people I get to bless, the better.

This also isn't stopping my IRL Charity work, it's just in addition to it.

But if the Holy Spirit is leading me this way than I should obey. However, how can one tell the difference between the leading of the Holy Spirit and the leading of Satan? But, here's one REALLY good question. Why would Satan want me to bring people TO Christ? Wouldn't he be trying to lead me and to get me to lead people AWAY from Christ? So this leading HAS to come from God! So, idk why I'm even being stupid! I should obey immediately! But, I just don't want to be tricked by Satan! Sure, I won't lose my salvation, bla bla bla. But, I WILL lose rewards if I listen to the devil and obey the devil rather than God. I want to live for GOD not the devil!


But you know what the REALLY weird part is? I came to Christ because of a Christian who constantly worked on me that I personally had met on World of Warcraft. I met him around November of 2009 and I converted from Atheism to Christianity and received the Holy Spirit sometime in the middle of November 2013. So, his efforts were not in vain and one of Christ's sheep found salvation because of a satanic video game. God turned something that was evil into something good. So... maybe it is God... idk...
 
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I see most games as harmless. Something that takes one away from reality.

Obviously, some games are truly horrific and not worth going near. Anyone who is easily led and takes rantasy as reality should stay away from gaming.

If you have a talent for gaming then go for it i say. Just remember to keep God at the top of your life. Continually ask Him for guidance and His grace.

God bless you
 
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As games takes one away from reality I think it would be a good idea to balance life with some real life communication. Why not start get to know some new people in real life.
How to know the difference between the leading of Holy Spirit and leading of satan: I would think, seeking the truth by reading the New Testament and being 100% honest with yourself.
 
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Waaaaay to long to even read. Sorry.


That's alright! I tried to make it small but I tend to go on sometimes :blush:. Anyway, thanks for offering to help anyway.
 
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I'm pretty clearly biased here, but here are my thoughts:

A side issue: How does Leviticus 20:16 speak against the types of games you play? As far as I know, there is no inappropriate behavior with animals in any of the games you've mentioned...
(Admittedly, sometimes, the Bible can't speak directly towards a modern issue - like videogames, television, phones, driving and road rage, etc. - because that issue didn't exist during the authors' lives. In those cases, I know, we have to find verses speaking to similar situations that did exist back then, and assume that it applies to the modern extension as well. ... I still think I'd need this extension spelled out for me.)

The related issue: Of course the Lord can take something that many people use for evil and turn it around for good - Assuming gaming is bad (even if only for you), you came to Christ through a person you met in an online game, and are reaching out to others through the same game and others. Evangelism and companionship are both good things. If they're good in real life, why would they be bad online? And why worse in the chat window of a game than on a christian forum? Of course, you already know what I'm saying in this paragraph.

The main issue: You're describing all the games you play as satanic? Honestly, I don't want to be the one to debate with you whether alcohol, or [acknowledgement of] other religions, or fantasy magic, are topics that shouldn't be in "a good Christian's life." I'm sure others will take up those subjects. My focus will be this: if you believe these games are from the Enemy, you ought not be playing them. See Romans 14:14 (context: even if they aren't ACTUALLY bad, if you perceive them so, it counts); 1 Corinthians 10:23-24, 32-33 (this passage applies more to me your wife than to you, but you also, in connection with the passage from Romans); and James 4:17 (about hesitating regarding your convictions). So the follow-up question is, are they really "satanic," or do you just think others must think so? Does Jesus think so?

May the Lord guide you towards Him, through whichever path He chooses.
 
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As games takes one away from reality I think it would be a good idea to balance life with some real life communication. Why not start get to know some new people in real life.
How to know the difference between the leading of Holy Spirit and leading of satan: I would think, seeking the truth by reading the New Testament and being 100% honest with yourself.

Well you would think that the leading of Satan would be to turn people against the gospel too not towards it. Satan wants God's elect to be lost, not saved. So that right there should be evidence that these impulses are coming from God. Because, "letting your light shine is servile service" and the spreading of the gospel are things from God. But, yet these kinds of games are probably from Satan too. Because Satan likes the occult and magic and stuff like that to get people to be away from God.

Anyway, you're right I should balance it out by talking to people IRL too besides my wife and parents. Maybe once my wife and I find a church I could meet some IRL friends too. And obviously balancing video games and my time with God would be crucial too.
 
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I see most games as harmless. Something that takes one away from reality.

Obviously, some games are truly horrific and not worth going near. Anyone who is easily led and takes rantasy as reality should stay away from gaming.

If you have a talent for gaming then go for it i say. Just remember to keep God at the top of your life. Continually ask Him for guidance and His grace.

God bless you

There apparently are people who are haunted by demons because of these kinds of games but I don't know if I believe it. That or I'm not susceptible to demonic possession.

But, you're right God should be at the top of my wife and I's lives. I need to encourage her to grow spiritually too and not just in a video game.
 
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I'm pretty clearly biased here, but here are my thoughts:

A side issue: How does Leviticus 20:16 speak against the types of games you play? As far as I know, there is no inappropriate behavior with animals in any of the games you've mentioned...
(Admittedly, sometimes, the Bible can't speak directly towards a modern issue - like videogames, television, phones, driving and road rage, etc. - because that issue didn't exist during the authors' lives. In those cases, I know, we have to find verses speaking to similar situations that did exist back then, and assume that it applies to the modern extension as well. ... I still think I'd need this extension spelled out for me.)

The related issue: Of course the Lord can take something that many people use for evil and turn it around for good - Assuming gaming is bad (even if only for you), you came to Christ through a person you met in an online game, and are reaching out to others through the same game and others. Evangelism and companionship are both good things. If they're good in real life, why would they be bad online? And why worse in the chat window of a game than on a christian forum? Of course, you already know what I'm saying in this paragraph.

The main issue: You're describing all the games you play as satanic? Honestly, I don't want to be the one to debate with you whether alcohol, or [acknowledgement of] other religions, or fantasy magic, are topics that shouldn't be in "a good Christian's life." I'm sure others will take up those subjects. My focus will be this: if you believe these games are from the Enemy, you ought not be playing them. See Romans 14:14 (context: even if they aren't ACTUALLY bad, if you perceive them so, it counts); 1 Corinthians 10:23-24, 32-33 (this passage applies more to me your wife than to you, but you also, in connection with the passage from Romans); and James 4:17 (about hesitating regarding your convictions). So the follow-up question is, are they really "satanic," or do you just think others must think so? Does Jesus think so?

May the Lord guide you towards Him, through whichever path He chooses.

oops I must have quoted the wrong verse. You're right, that has nothing to do with the topic at hand. I mean to quote Leviticus 19:31, I'll fix it. Idk because the game that we're playing has magic in it and violence and just about the only good and satisfying part of it is that we get to kill demons in the game? Plus, the horde are kind of an evil race so it's fun to kill tons and tons of hordies over and over again. You're right, this leading is only doing exactly what was done to me and if I didn't play WoW back then, I probably never would have come to Christ. And if I didn't come to Christ I might not have met you. You've told me multiple times that you didn't like my past and wouldn't have liked me back then and quite frankly? I don't blame you. I was NOT a good person at all.

There was a pastor on here that used to post here that did a lot of soul winning, yeah. But these boards don't contain magic,violence, alcoholism, or the murder of anything. So, we're not "openly" practicing those things here on CF. That's what members are going to argue in the future.

Jesus probably does because it's the practice of necromancy. I mean, think about it. Idk... I just have a lot of thinking to do. Thanks for replying and giving your thoughts though. You're right, some more verses in the Bible speak against this so, I have a lot of thinking to do but thanks for replying.
 
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It's a video game.

Rule of thumb, if it doesn't detract from your walk, you're doing fine.

If you want a somewhat neutral game to try, look into ARK: Survival Evolved. Sure, there are PvP servers, but there are also PVE servers and what you're killing on those are pre-historic creatures, unless you join a private non-dedicated server that has a mod that allows human NPCs. There is also a single player mode.

Been playing it since it came out in 2015 and I have never lost my interest in it.
 
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It's a video game.

Rule of thumb, if it doesn't detract from your walk, you're doing fine.

If you want a somewhat neutral game to try, look into ARK: Survival Evolved. Sure, there are PvP servers, but there are also PVE servers and what you're killing on those are pre-historic creatures, unless you join a private non-dedicated server that has a mod that allows human NPCs. There is also a single player mode.

Been playing it since it came out in 2015 and I have never lost my interest in it.

That does sound like fun. I will look it up and try it. Is it free to play or does it have a monthly fee? If it's f2p I probably shouldn't play it because I'm kind of addicted to spending tons and tons of money on F2P games. What I like about WoW though is it's one fee to get as far as everyone else and you get to kill demons. It's like one thing in the game that's "good". Because, let's face it we all must kill demons! Lol!
 
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That does sound like fun. I will look it up and try it. Is it free to play or does it have a monthly fee? If it's f2p I probably shouldn't play it because I'm kind of addicted to spending tons and tons of money on F2P games. What I like about WoW though is it's one fee to get as far as everyone else and you get to kill demons. It's like one thing in the game that's "good". Because, let's face it we all must kill demons! Lol!

It is buy to play. You purchase the base game, the season pass for the three DLCs which continue the story and there are free maps as well. There are two free official maps, Ragnarok and Valguero and many more if you have Steam and can access the store for the game. There are many, many mods for it as well.
 
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But, I'm being either blessed by God or by Satan. If Satan was the one who gave me these two gifts than, he gave me gifts that give me fulfillment and joy in my life. And why would Satan want that? Satan just wants to devour me and to get me to lose my salvation.
I’m not trying to be petty here, but what makes you think that Satan has the power to bless you or give you gifts?

Satan doesn’t have that power. Satan is a created being, not a creator of anything, nor can he give you anything, per se.

God blesses us and gives us gifts.

My advice to you is to pray a lot and then act. Rushing into things rarely ends well.
 
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It is buy to play. You purchase the base game, the season pass for the three DLCs which continue the story and there are free maps as well. There are two free official maps, Ragnarok and Valguero and many more if you have Steam and can access the store for the game. There are many, many mods for it as well.

Oh so you have to buy extra maps and stuff? How much are the maps?
 
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I’m not trying to be petty here, but what makes you think that Satan has the power to bless you or give you gifts?

Satan doesn’t have that power. Satan is a created being, not a creator of anything, nor can he give you anything, per se.

God blesses us and gives us gifts.

My advice to you is to pray a lot and then act. Rushing into things rarely ends well.

Ill Google the things Satan can and cannot do. One things for sure. If Satan did have the power he couldn't have given them to me without the approval of God. So at any rate God would have had to give Satan the okay to test me. Yes, I will continue to pray about it and let God lead me where he wants me to go.
 
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Okay, so this is going to be rather long, I apologize for the length but I've been considering this for well over a month now and I honestly don't know what to do.

Okay, so let me start from the beginning. Since I was about six months old I've had the talent of playing video games. I'm actually very good at playing them and have been for a REALLY long time. However, the video games that I've enjoyed/been good at playing throughout my life were definitely not "Godly" games. I've been playing RPGs since I was about three years old, shooters since I was about eight years old, and games like GTA from 16-27 or so. I've also massively enjoyed playing the Harvest Moon series ever since the first game came out on the SNES. Despite it's constant references to Alcoholism and sexuality (Especially Harvest Moon 64. It CONSTANTLY references alcoholism and sexuality).

I don't play GTA anymore, idk why it just convicts the hell out of me. Especially after I became a Christian. But I do still love to play RPGs (Especially JRPGs) and MMO's and occasionally shooter games. Games like that that are definitely NOT Godly and are clearly Satanic.

I've also from the age of about eight or so, have been extremely talented in computers. When I was around 10 years old I coded my own website (Which eventually got hacked because I used "password" as my password but hey! I was 10-11 years old! Ofc I was dumb like that." and I've been repairing and building computers ever since I was at a very young age.

So those basically, are the only two skills that God has given me. I can sometimes do math in my head but basic math like addition,subtraction, multiplication, and divison. When it comes to algebra and up, I literally can't comprehend that kind of math. I've completely flunked every algebra class I've ever taken in my life. I've also almost completely forgotten how you do fractions but I do remember I had a lot of difficulty learning fractions in 5th grade.

Anyway, my "skill" in math isn't really advanced enough for me to use it for the glory of God.

However, I've been feeling lead into playing more and more video games and using my computer talents more and more over the course of the last several months. After mostly giving them all up for 2-3 years because they were "sins against God" and "Not what God wants from me." But, I feel like God has lead me into starting to care about computers again. My wife and I just recently upgraded my rig which was in definite need of an upgrade because I last upgraded it basically back in 2013. I usually upgrade my rig every 3-4 years or so. So God provided me an upgraded rig. I also badly need to upgrade my wife's system because I bought her basically something weaker than a microwave oven but it was all I could afford when I bought it so, I provided it for her so that we could play video games together.

I believe he provided me that upgraded rig so that I can play various video games to do soul winning and charity on. My wife and I have been playing one particular game called World Of Warcraft that I've been playing pretty much ever since 2006 and she's being playing since 2014-15 or so.

We both really love the game and constantly come back to it. But, this particular leading of the "Holy Spirit" wants me to use World Of Warcraft as a game of soul winning and charity since I'm very talented at making gold for that game and you can pay for your subscription with gold on that game. So, I've been giving people free bags on that game, free game time, free gold for expenditures, just... whatever they need. I have a lot of gold on WoW and I can make millions and millions of gold very easily so it's charity that really isn't hard for me to do because I'm skilled in that area. All the while leading up to telling them about Christ. Since then God has blessed me with a Christian friend on there who saw one of my soul winning messages in trade chat and felt obligated to whisper me. We've been battle.net friends ever since. He also blessed me with this other friend who I believe he wants me to work on to bring to Christ. This friend has been helping my wife and I advance in the game every chance he can get so, he's a really good guy. He is however, an atheist so yay! Someone I can work on!

My wife and I met another good friend on another "satanic" game called Wizard 101 who grew up in a Christian family. This particular friend is very suicidal and depressed and has attempted suicide several times in the time since I've known him. But, he has come to me for advice numerous times about this particular problem and seems genuinely interested in what I have to say about Christ. So, I think eventually with much prodding from me, he will eventually come to Christ again "For real". Since, he was only a "christian" before because he grew up in a Christian home and then when one of his pastors raped him he stopped believing altogether because, how could God "allow" that to happen. Basically.

So God's been blessing me with multitudes of friends both Christian and non Christian. The only problem is, they're online. I literally have nobody to talk to IRL but my wife and occasionally my mom and dad. I'll talk to my sister like once a year.

But, I'm being either blessed by God or by Satan. If Satan was the one who gave me these two gifts than, he gave me gifts that give me fulfillment and joy in my life. And why would Satan want that? Satan just wants to devour me and to get me to lose my salvation. Which, just isn't possible. How do I know that? The entirety of the NT teaches that it is.

I know, when always coming to an important decision in your life like this you should always turn to scripture and prayer. Well, here's the thing scripture has verses both for this, and against this, and idk which ones to pick and go with.

Here are a few scriptures for it:

Ephesians 2:10, Exodus 35:10, James 1:17, 1 Corinthians 12:1-11, 1 Peter 4:10-11, Exodus 31:3-5, Matthew 5:14-16, Romans 12:6-7, 1 Timothy 4:4, Jeremiah 29:11.

and here a few against it:

Revelation 21:8, Leviticus 20:16, Revelation 22:15, Galatians 5:19-21, 1 John 4:1, 1 Corinthians 6:9-10.

As for prayer, I've been praying about this quite frequently ever since the "Holy Spirits" first leadings, opened up several topics dodging around this issue because quite frankly, I'm embarrassed that I'm even asking for advice on such an issue. I mean, several people are going to be for it and several people are going to be against it, so how do I know which one to choose? Eventually, I'm going to have to trust in either the "wrong" or "right" choice.

But you know what the stupidest thing is? I believe that God is going to bless me and desires for me to be playing these Satanic video games! Sure, a soul won to Christ is a soul won to Christ and the more people I get to bless, the better.

This also isn't stopping my IRL Charity work, it's just in addition to it.

But if the Holy Spirit is leading me this way than I should obey. However, how can one tell the difference between the leading of the Holy Spirit and the leading of Satan? But, here's one REALLY good question. Why would Satan want me to bring people TO Christ? Wouldn't he be trying to lead me and to get me to lead people AWAY from Christ? So this leading HAS to come from God! So, idk why I'm even being stupid! I should obey immediately! But, I just don't want to be tricked by Satan! Sure, I won't lose my salvation, bla bla bla. But, I WILL lose rewards if I listen to the devil and obey the devil rather than God. I want to live for GOD not the devil!


But you know what the REALLY weird part is? I came to Christ because of a Christian who constantly worked on me that I personally had met on World of Warcraft. I met him around November of 2009 and I converted from Atheism to Christianity and received the Holy Spirit sometime in the middle of November 2013. So, his efforts were not in vain and one of Christ's sheep found salvation because of a satanic video game. God turned something that was evil into something good. So... maybe it is God... idk...

God often uses our lives in the areas we are good at. If you enjoy computer games God is not going to take it away from you. He is using you in your hobbies.

As for games like RPG etc. I had a question once around the topic, and I believe God gave me an answer. There is a scripture in the bible and it is "rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft" - what he showed me from that is that true witchcraft is when a person is rebellious against God, and out of rebellion serves the devil. I would say 80% - 90% of people who play RPG are doing it innocently, with a non rebellious heart. They just do it for fun. The same with you, you play the games for fun, not because you want to do evil.

Sure there are things you should avoid, like sexual content, and over glorification of demons. But most RPG's are not too bad.

I truly don't feel it is the devil getting you into things you enjoy. Either it is your own or God's desire. But don't worry about it, God is using you where you are.
 
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Ill Google the things Satan can and cannot do. One things for sure. If Satan did have the power he couldn't have given them to me without the approval of God. So at any rate God would have had to give Satan the okay to test me. Yes, I will continue to pray about it and let God lead me where he wants me to go.
But you said blessings and gifts.

Satan can’t give blessings and gifts.

Testing yes. Blessings and gifts no
 
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