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Anything in the way of what is written in the bible or theory. what will have to change is the idea of how genesis is written. Common sense changes like for one when written there where no chapter and verse dentations. Everyone can agree on this. in That Chapter 2 does not start a second narrative. Chapter 2:1 begins the 7th day of the Father's creation. (As in the hebrew Elohim was the creator in chapter 1 to chapter 2:4 which is the seven days.
Which means chapter 2:5 begins not a second narrative but a Different part of creation where Yahweh (the word of John 1:1) the word being YHWH (which the where not to speak in whom John identifies as Jesus) Yahweh begins his creation on the day Elohim created dry land. (on day 2) and completes everything in chapter two just before God created the rain on day three.
How do I know? it says so right here:
4 This is the story about the creation of the sky and the earth. This is what happened when the Lord God made the earth and the sky. 5 This was before there were plants on the earth. Nothing was growing in the fields because the Lord God had not yet made it rain on the earth, and there was no one to care for the plants.
Remember everything before this point describes the 7th day or end of Elohim's 7days of creation, so by what is literally on page said here this new creation started on the day there was dry land... and what was being created here in chapter 2 ended before the rains.
So what was created by Yahweh/the word? Adam Eve the garden and everything in it.
So adam and eve and the garden of eden was created starting sometime literal day two and was complete some time literal day 3.
Which brings us to chapter three. Now understand Chapter 3 does not take place the next day after the garden was complete. if it had then they would have been expelled outside, before the rest of the Elohim's creation was complete meaning if chapter 3 was meant to be sequential to chapter two (next day) the expulsion of Adam and eve from the garden would have happened day 4 of the father's/elohim's creation.
Which allows us to say there is no time line between the end of chapter 2 and the beginning of Chapter 3. Yes it could have been several days later or a week month year or a million years or 20 billion years or how ever long Science says we need for evolution to happen.
How could Adam and eve lived so long? Remember they had access to the tree of life. They could eat from every tree in the garden except from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. However they did have access to the tree of life.
This theory goes a long way in to also dispelling alot of the other supposes contradictions and clears up the genealogies.
In that it explains to whom the sons and daughters of Adam married. It explain where the city of Nod came from that cain fled too. Because outside of the garden a version of mae made to simply look like God was created mature grow develop "evolve". We know little to nothing about this man other than God charged him to multiply and fill the world. Then we have Adam and Adam's people who where created not only in God's image but was breathe into him a living soul. Something day 6 man (evolved man) did not have. which meant all of Adam's progeny down to noah had souls and where living next to man without a soul. Which would explain the level of evil this world was awashed in that triggered the flood. Thus ensuring only men with souls populated the earth. This also squares up all of the geneologies and the YEC position in that it was about 6000 years from the point of the exodus from the garden that man with a living soul was introduced to this world. (Not that the world is only 6000 years old, but man with a soul upon Adam's arrival outside the Garden 6000 years had past.
Now the only thing I can possible see as possible no go here is Gen 5 and it's traditional reading. in that Adam only lived 930 year on this earth..
But I have two issues with that. one "on this earth" being the first. 1 was the garden on this earth? If so where is it? and then if it where to be of this earth then why was Adam and eve expelled to this earth where God curse the ground because of him. "and /he will have to work hard all your life for the food the ground produces."
There is a clear separation between life in the garden and life on this earth.
Two my second objection was What God said about the tree of knowledge. 3 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.”
Now unless God is a liar.. They did died that very day. IE the immortal being who lived in the garden for how ever long it took to place a fossil record in the ground did die and were born into this world this earth a physical vessel who could toil and suffer like they never experienced before..
The fact that God was concerned about them eating for the tree of life kinda shows they where no longer meant to share that same space/relationship they once had pre knowledge of sin.
So to recap.
This whole theory is based on one simple idea. there is no time line between Genesis 2 and genesis 3. Because of that you can put the 7 day creation in it's traitional complete form at the dawn of the creation of this world. and then accept all of what science has to say if your professor demands it or if you simply need to reconcile the fossil record with conventional mainstream scientific means and place the exodus of Adam and Eve @ or around 6000 years ago just like the bible says.
Thoughts objections Ideas?
I post this because I would like to do a video on this subject and was wondering if anyone could help me produce something like this.
I think this could help to bridge the 'scientific gap' atheists and really now all higher learning institutions are forcing onto our children almost making them choose between God and a passing grade.
This will allow a student to have and accept both a literal 7 day creation and whatever science has to say.
Which means chapter 2:5 begins not a second narrative but a Different part of creation where Yahweh (the word of John 1:1) the word being YHWH (which the where not to speak in whom John identifies as Jesus) Yahweh begins his creation on the day Elohim created dry land. (on day 2) and completes everything in chapter two just before God created the rain on day three.
How do I know? it says so right here:
4 This is the story about the creation of the sky and the earth. This is what happened when the Lord God made the earth and the sky. 5 This was before there were plants on the earth. Nothing was growing in the fields because the Lord God had not yet made it rain on the earth, and there was no one to care for the plants.
Remember everything before this point describes the 7th day or end of Elohim's 7days of creation, so by what is literally on page said here this new creation started on the day there was dry land... and what was being created here in chapter 2 ended before the rains.
So what was created by Yahweh/the word? Adam Eve the garden and everything in it.
So adam and eve and the garden of eden was created starting sometime literal day two and was complete some time literal day 3.
Which brings us to chapter three. Now understand Chapter 3 does not take place the next day after the garden was complete. if it had then they would have been expelled outside, before the rest of the Elohim's creation was complete meaning if chapter 3 was meant to be sequential to chapter two (next day) the expulsion of Adam and eve from the garden would have happened day 4 of the father's/elohim's creation.
Which allows us to say there is no time line between the end of chapter 2 and the beginning of Chapter 3. Yes it could have been several days later or a week month year or a million years or 20 billion years or how ever long Science says we need for evolution to happen.
How could Adam and eve lived so long? Remember they had access to the tree of life. They could eat from every tree in the garden except from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. However they did have access to the tree of life.
This theory goes a long way in to also dispelling alot of the other supposes contradictions and clears up the genealogies.
In that it explains to whom the sons and daughters of Adam married. It explain where the city of Nod came from that cain fled too. Because outside of the garden a version of mae made to simply look like God was created mature grow develop "evolve". We know little to nothing about this man other than God charged him to multiply and fill the world. Then we have Adam and Adam's people who where created not only in God's image but was breathe into him a living soul. Something day 6 man (evolved man) did not have. which meant all of Adam's progeny down to noah had souls and where living next to man without a soul. Which would explain the level of evil this world was awashed in that triggered the flood. Thus ensuring only men with souls populated the earth. This also squares up all of the geneologies and the YEC position in that it was about 6000 years from the point of the exodus from the garden that man with a living soul was introduced to this world. (Not that the world is only 6000 years old, but man with a soul upon Adam's arrival outside the Garden 6000 years had past.
Now the only thing I can possible see as possible no go here is Gen 5 and it's traditional reading. in that Adam only lived 930 year on this earth..
But I have two issues with that. one "on this earth" being the first. 1 was the garden on this earth? If so where is it? and then if it where to be of this earth then why was Adam and eve expelled to this earth where God curse the ground because of him. "and /he will have to work hard all your life for the food the ground produces."
There is a clear separation between life in the garden and life on this earth.
Two my second objection was What God said about the tree of knowledge. 3 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.”
Now unless God is a liar.. They did died that very day. IE the immortal being who lived in the garden for how ever long it took to place a fossil record in the ground did die and were born into this world this earth a physical vessel who could toil and suffer like they never experienced before..
The fact that God was concerned about them eating for the tree of life kinda shows they where no longer meant to share that same space/relationship they once had pre knowledge of sin.
So to recap.
This whole theory is based on one simple idea. there is no time line between Genesis 2 and genesis 3. Because of that you can put the 7 day creation in it's traitional complete form at the dawn of the creation of this world. and then accept all of what science has to say if your professor demands it or if you simply need to reconcile the fossil record with conventional mainstream scientific means and place the exodus of Adam and Eve @ or around 6000 years ago just like the bible says.
Thoughts objections Ideas?
I post this because I would like to do a video on this subject and was wondering if anyone could help me produce something like this.
I think this could help to bridge the 'scientific gap' atheists and really now all higher learning institutions are forcing onto our children almost making them choose between God and a passing grade.
This will allow a student to have and accept both a literal 7 day creation and whatever science has to say.