Kathy Griffin says Trump head photo wrecked her career

Go Braves said:

Who've heard him brag about grabbing women by their private parts.

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Whose idea was it to make that public?

SoldierOfTheKing said:

Whose idea was it to make that public?

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Lots of things that are done in the dark are brought to the light. He is responsible for what he said. God sees and hears all that we do.

Go Braves said:

What was messed up is that folks were saying the death threats, rape threats she received on account of that stupid photo shoot (if you can call it that since it was taken on a phone) where she's holding up a cheap mask with ketchup on it were just her reaping what she sowed. Most folks fully acknowledge that the photo shoot was indefensibly wrong. But it was not illegal. It wasn't deserving of the insane threats she received.

In the most literal sense the worldwide tour is her reaping what she sowed. It was called the Laugh Your Head off Tour. She financed it herself on account of not being able to get funding. She based a lot of it on having to find humor to get through the day when she was terrified by threats, all that. She sold out venues around the world in minutes. Clearly some folks out there have a concept of forgiveness.



Sorry you missed the point. Did you read the title of this thread? Did you read the OP? The thread is all about schadenfreude. It's all about finding gleeful satisfaction in the downfall of somebody critical of Trump. Christians sitting here whooping it up, enjoying themselves at the misfortune of somebody else. It's a pretty dang misleading thread title since it leaves out what happened next. Lots of things in life get wrecked - cars, careers. A wreck doesn't have to be the end of things. She salvaged her career.

As I told you before, what you were trying to get at about monetary and worldly success meaning nothing is applicable to every single person under the sun. Do you go around posting that in threads about any success of anybody else's?

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Two wrongs don't make a right. So yes, the death threats, rape threats and every other threat she received is not right. Everyone, at this point, is fully aware that wasn't really Donald Trump's head she was holding in her hands, but the fact that anyone would try to lighten the severity of what she did is very desensitized to the violent depiction that was shot and released. It may not be illegal, but you still can't make excuses for her actions. She went into it with full knowledge of what she was doing, and because of the political climate and the amounts of hate towards Trump that is incessantly in the media, she figured she could get away with it with little back-lash.

The fact that she named her tour "Laugh Your Head Off" just reveals to me how unrepentant she was toward her decision. That's a rather sick sense of humor. Beheadings are in no way, shape or form funny. And okay? She financed it herself, which she clearly had the money too. She spent it on her own thing, its not like she was donating it to charity or anything like that. And I don't blame those who didn't fund her. That's the consequence for her actions. And honestly, today everyone wants to be a victim. It's "cool" to be a victim and, not saying that I believe wholeheartedly that it is the case, but I wouldn't be surprised if she is blowing these received threats out of proportion for sympathy points. A lot of times people who do wrong don't want to deal with the consequences. It's like a criminal in court who uses mental illness as a scapegoat to receive sympathy and a lighter sentence.

BTW, I wouldn't call myself a Trump supporter, because my trust and faith lies in God and not in man. But those who openly support Trump are constantly harassed and assaulted in public.

Go Braves said:

You can hold onto that card, lol. She did go through a real rough patch for a while.

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And she deserved every minute of it.

However at the time this event occurred I said she would, at some point, be lionized by the American Left. Sure, people would denounce her initially but only for show, as what she did truly expressed the desire of a sizable percentage of liberal America. I made the prediction she would eventually headline an episode of Saturday Night Live. That hasn't happened yet, but it will.

Go Braves said:

Pulled herself back up.

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There was nothing for her to pull herself back up from, as to those who would generally fall into the category of her fan-base she did nothing wrong. If anything she is being propped-up as an icon of Trump hate.

Go Braves said:

She's richer than all of us.

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Oh, right, so that is why we should all grovel before her.

tryphena rose said:

Two wrongs don't make a right. So yes, the death threats, rape threats and every other threat she received is not right. Everyone, at this point, is fully aware that wasn't really Donald Trump's head she was holding in her hands, but the fact that anyone would try to lighten the severity of what she did is very desensitized to the violent depiction that was shot and released. It may not be illegal, but you still can't make excuses for her actions. She went into it with full knowledge of what she was doing, and because of the political climate and the amounts of hate towards Trump that is incessantly in the media, she figured she could get away with it with little back-lash

The fact that she named her tour "Laugh Your Head Off" just reveals to me how unrepentant she was toward her decision. That's a rather sick sense of humor. Beheadings are in no way, shape or form funny. And okay? She financed it herself, which she clearly had the money too. She spent it on her own thing, its not like she was donating it to charity or anything like that. And I don't blame those who didn't fund her. That's the consequence for her actions. And honestly, today everyone wants to be a victim. It's "cool" to be a victim and, not saying that I believe wholeheartedly that it is the case, but I wouldn't be surprised if she is blowing these received threats out of proportion for sympathy points. A lot of times people who do wrong don't want to deal with the consequences. It's like a criminal in court who uses mental illness as a scapegoat to receive sympathy and a lighter sentence.

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What's funny is the melodrama over it. The hysteria & hyperbole. The folks wanting to sermonize about what she did as part of their own pathetic schadenfreude. I have to admit at this point I'm chuckling over the posts. I'm tempted to send this link to the lady on the off chance that she actually has time on her hands to play around on an internet forum like we do, so she can come and enjoy this show. Look, it was a stupid, crass, inexcusable prank. That being said. Even the dimmest bulb in the bunch who has got some honesty in them ought to be able to know that a cheap costume mask with ketchup on it isn't on par with an actual beheading, nor is it a depiction of violence. Some of the same folks who are so fast to defend Donald when he literally incites violence, takes the Lord's name in vain, brazenly commits a plethora of offenses do the "think about the children" act over some lady comedian's prank.

You missed the point of her having funded her tour herself. She could have just been defeated. Decided to play the victim. Sat there wallowing while everybody was all gleeful at her downfall. Instead she picked herself up. On account of her funding it herself, she gets to keep the profits herself. Same thing as what happened with Mel Gibson and the Passion of the Christ. Nobody wanted to touch him with a 10 foot pole. So he funded it himself. Got to keep all the profits himself too. You're right that she sure as heck doesn't sound repentant. That's the point. She already paid the price for what she did. Folks who want to keep obsessing over it, that's entirely on them. She's moved forward. Maybe other folks ought to give that a try.

BTW, I wouldn't call myself a Trump supporter, because my trust and faith lies in God and not in man. But those who openly support Trump are constantly harassed and assaulted in public.

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Well, to quote what others have said, they reap what they sow.

Mountainmanbob said:

May not be a believer?
I think you might have hit on something there?

But, not have heard the gospel?
In California I think that everyone has heard the gospel.
Although many refuse to repent.

M-Bob

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Yes ..I am afraid the USA is gospel hardened because there are so many gospels and so many false prophets . Just like Jesus said . Still we should pray . With God , all things are possible .

SoldierOfTheKing said:

Whose idea was it to make that public?

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...who's idea was it for him to say it?
tulc(thinks that's the actual question that needs to be asked)

Go Braves said:

Lots of things that are done in the dark are brought to the light. He is responsible for what he said. God sees and hears all that we do.

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Doesn't mean anybody else needed to see it or hear it. It's all good though, because on Election Day, the voters decided not to hold a bawdy conversation in private against him...

...because I'll let you in on a secret on what's behind his support. Or at least I'll give you a hint. It's not really about him at all. It's not about who he is. This is why all these personal attacks against him prove futile.

SoldierOfTheKing said:

Doesn't mean anybody else needed to see it or hear it. It's all good though, because on Election Day, the voters decided not to hold a bawdy conversation in private against him...

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uhmmm...yeah they did, that's part of why he got millions of votes less then Sec Clinton. It's always cute when people make it sound like President Trump was who the majority of voters wanted. They pretty loudly said they didn't.

...because I'll let you in on a secret on what's behind his support. Or at least I'll give you a hint. It's not really about him at all. It's not about who he is. This is why all these personal attacks against him prove futile.

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I'll let you in on a little secret: it's his personal attacks on other people that seems to be where a lot of his support comes from. And politicians are always quick to notice what works among voters. So I'm thinking the coming campaign is going to be...interesting, to say the least.
tulc("voters decided" seriously, that's all kinds of adorable)

tulc said:

uhmmm...yeah they did, that's part of why he got millions of votes less then Sec Clinton.

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Again, you know as well as I do that national popular vote means nothing. He was elected which means he was acquitted in the court of public opinion. There's nothing to be accomplished politically by continuing to bring that incident up. But you can always keep trying...

tulc said:

I'll let you in on a little secret: it's his personal attacks on other people that seems to be where a lot of his support comes from.

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When people hit him, he hits back. His supporters respect him for that. But that's not reason for his support in the first place. You still don't get it do you? Probably because you don't want to, which is fine by me...

tulc said:

I'll let you in on a little secret: it's his personal attacks on other people that seems to be where a lot of his support comes from. And politicians are always quick to notice what works among voters. So I'm thinking the coming campaign is going to be...interesting, to say the least.
tulc("voters decided" seriously, that's all kinds of adorable)

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(shrugs) I don't think that is correct. I'm around his supporters most of the time in my job, and his personal attacks isn't what floats their boats. The community we retired to is also, and they don't speak highly of the personal attacks.

Although, they tend to take it with a grain of salt because in the past the GOP had no backbone to call out behavior and comments that aren't to much different from his coming from the other direction. They are concentrating on what he promised.

Although it does seem when commentators over exaggerate what they said/meant over statements he made? There is an air of 'here we go again', and they tend to tune them all out. Many times I hear the dynamic of 'crying wolf' to often. So if there is something legitimate they may not hear it, because they tuned them out a long time ago over to much theaterics in the past.

HannahT said:

(shrugs) I don't think that is correct. I'm around his supporters most of the time in my job, and his personal attacks isn't what floats their boats. The community we retired to is also, and they don't speak highly of the personal attacks.

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They maybe don't "speak highly of them" but they don't seem to keep them from voting for/supporting him. And let's be honest here, other then those personal attacks of his what does President Trump have going for him?

Although, they tend to take it with a grain of salt because in the past the GOP had no backbone to call out behavior and comments that aren't to much different from his coming from the other direction. They are concentrating on what he promised.

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so...how's that whole "Mexico is absolutely, 100% going to pay for the wall!" coming?

Although it does seem when commentators over exaggerate what they said/meant over statements he made? There is an air of 'here we go again', and they tend to tune them all out.

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Of course they "tune it out". Because they kind of like it. If they actually cared in the first place he'd have never made it past "the grabbing" quote or this one:

The truth is, who wants to admit they kind of like the whole "school yard bully" persona of President Trump?

Many times I hear the dynamic of 'crying wolf' to often. So if there is something legitimate they may not hear it, because they tuned them out a long time ago over to much theaterics in the past.

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If we're still being honest here, I suspect some of them are using the whole "crying wolf" excuse because who wants to admit they got someone who's little more then an internet troll elected President of the USA?
tulc(shakes his head and pours more coffee)

SoldierOfTheKing said:

Again, you know as well as I do that national popular vote means nothing. He was elected which means he was acquitted in the court of public opinion.

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No he wasn't, if he had been he wouldn't have spent months trying to prove all those millions who voted for the other candidate weren't "legal voters".

There's nothing to be accomplished politically by continuing to bring that incident up. But you can always keep trying...

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...it accomplishes several thing:
1) it reminds Republicans they shouldn't pretend President Trump is who the voters in America wanted to be President. They clearly
2) they also should remember not a single Republican President in the 21st Century became President because they were who the majority of voters in America wanted to be President.

When people hit him, he hits back.

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Yes, he is quite easily manipulated like that. It makes him look and sound like the schoolyard bully he's been all his life. His supporters like that, it doesn't however make him any new supporters. And that's another thing the "lost the popular vote by almost 3,000,000 votes" should remind Republicans about.

His supporters respect him for that.

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Which kind of says more about his supporters then it does about him.

But that's not reason for his support in the first place.

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Doesn't seem to have hurt him though. And as I pointed out in this thread already: what else does he have going for him? Cheating at golf?

You still don't get it do you?

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...or I "get it" more then his supporters do? That's another possibility.

Probably because you don't want to, which is fine by me...

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Well, then again, I don't have to and and to come up with reasons to support/excuse the things President Trump says...so I do have that going for me.
tulc(just sips his coffee and watches Republicans spin)

SoldierOfTheKing said:

But that's not reason for his support in the first place. You still don't get it do you? Probably because you don't want to, which is fine by me...

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He is supported because of what he is "undoing" (there is a different term for this but I can't use it here) people were tired of seeing it because the country is predominately center/right. He's also calling out all the people (called shining a light on the cockroaches) who have been working against the best interests of the country for decades.

tulc said:

If we're still being honest here, I suspect some of them are using the whole "crying wolf" excuse because who wants to admit they got someone who's little more then an internet troll elected President of the USA?
tulc(shakes his head and pours more coffee)

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Well, all the speculation, meme's, jokes and sarcasm just show people haven't been listening to why they support him. You wouldn't have to suspect anything, and throw out any labels if people bothered too. In today's world it seems only what is important to them is worth listening too, and why I suspect many seem utterly clueless of other's support of him. They can't hear.

They would rather act like the school yard bully that they complain about instead, and seem to be all justified in that behavior. I may not agree with all their reasons for support, but at least I heard them. Then I can debate them on policies and issues. Majority can't even get that far, because they never bothered truly hearing. They seem above that, and don't see the projection in that approach at all. It's rather mind boggling.

HannahT said:

Well, all the speculation, meme's, jokes and sarcasm just show people haven't been listening to why they support him. You wouldn't have to suspect anything, and throw out any labels if people bothered too. In today's world it seems only what is important to them is worth listening too, and why I suspect many seem utterly clueless of other's support of him. They can't hear.

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I hear a lot of things. The problem is I'm reminded of all those times my dad said: "When everything is all said and done? There's always more said, then done." President Trump talks a lot about this and that. His supporters get all happy that someone is finally talking about what they want talked about. And then when people (like all those people who didn't vote for him) point out he doesn't actually have any ability to do any of the things he talks about and that all he's doing is pandering to them with no intention/ability of fulfill anything he's talking about but while he's "talking about what i want talked about" he's gutting programs, destroying peoples lives, destroying our relationships with allies and cuddling up to bloody handed dictators. Then his supporters get upset with us.

They would rather act like the school yard bully that they complain about instead, and seem to be all justified in that behavior. I may not agree with all their reasons for support, but at least I heard them.

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Again, what he says is irrelevant. It's what he does that other people are dealing with. One side says "He wants to MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN! and when other people point out what he's actually doing we get accused of "Not listening!" If we point out he's attacking groups of people and actually destroying some peoples lives, we get accused of "being schoolyard bullies!" and that "You aren't listening to what he's saying!".

Then I can debate them on policies and issues. Majority can't even get that far, because they never bothered truly hearing.

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...policies and issues? His supporters have policies and issues, he doesn't. He has lies and making his (and his 1% friends) bottom line bigger.

They seem above that,

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Or..we're in the midst of the destruction he's causing and are trying to point out the damage he's doing?

and don't see the projection in that approach at all.

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...don't take this wrong, but man, the irony in this portion? It's actually quite...amazing.

It's rather mind boggling.

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On this point we can agree wholeheartedly.
tulc(honestly has no intention of being disrespectful or disparaging of HannahT and hopes he hasn't done so in his post)

tulc said:

they also should remember not a single Republican President in the 21st Century became President because they were who the majority of voters in America wanted to be President.

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Nobody in American history ever became President for that reason. The Electoral College is everything.

SoldierOfTheKing said:

Nobody in American history ever became President for that reason. The Electoral College is everything.

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Then people should stop pretending Republican presidential candidates were elected because:

the voters decided

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because 'the voters" (in the millions) voted for someone else.
tulc(is thought that should be pointed out)

ilovejcsog said:

She did it to herself. I didn't like her brand of comedy anyway.

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One laugh line per 20 minutes of dialogue doesn't make a comedian.

A_Thinker said:

You know that's part of her shtick, right ???

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I think it's the "B" list.