Petition to have Antifa declared a terrorist movement on White House website

PeachyKeane · Jul 5, 2019

(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ) said:
I watched the full video of the events you mentioned at the Cider pub. ANTIFA is at the Pub and a small group of what appears to be 5-8 Proud Boys stand across the street and wave American flags. A verbal argument breaks out and profanities are made on each side. But no violence. Patriot Prayer arrives. The total group of Proud Boys and Patriot Prayer number in what appears to be 20-30 people but they remain on the other side of the street. Eventually fights break out in the street and in the parking lot across the street. Question, how did the ANTIFA members get attacked across the street? It was because ANTIFA couldn't resist the opportunity to "punch a fascist in the face" and left the Cider Pub to attack the Proud Boys. There were perhaps two people fighting in the street. No Proud Boys or Patriot Prayer ever went into the Pub. Proud Boys were wrong to taunt an provoke ANTIFA. However, once again, the violence could have been completely avoided if ANTIFA were capable of resisting opportunity to "punch a fascist in the face". I cannot post the videos here on CF due to the profanity. But I would invite anyone to look it up and see the video themselves and tell me if I am wrong.

NYPD Looks to Charge 9 Proud Boys With Assault for Manhattan Fight

Founder of the Proud Boys:
McInnes frequently champions violence, particularly against the left.

“I want violence, I want punching in the face. I’m disappointed in Trump supporters for not punching enough,” McInnes said on his webshow.

On another occasion, he called for an attack on a woman.

“This woman—yes, I’m advocating violence against women—this woman should be punched in the face. Shouldn’t be by a man, maybe by another woman, her twin sister, should just punch her in the face. Or maybe mace her. Yeah. I’m pro-free speech, I don’t want her ever to be censored, but this woman needs to experience a little bit of violence.”

How is that different from Antifa? How are these guys better? Or are you going to clibg to an infantile 'well, they started it.' This is a group that advocates violence toward anyone with different views than theirs.

Why do you think you feel the need to defend them?

Hank77 · Jul 5, 2019

SummerMadness said:
They don’t mention the Proud Boys because it’s all about ignoring white supremacists marching down the streets and shouting, “Jews Will Not Replace Us.” There’s a reason why they will ignore this group, but will go ballistic over a black kid saying something mean to a police officer. It’s not about free speech.

What else were they chanting....."Blood and soil." A Nazi Germany slogan.

Sparagmos · Jul 5, 2019

(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ) said:
Yeah...there were absolutely no ANTIFA.
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Lol, how can you tell someone is Antifa? And that photo shows they were in the restaurant, on the patio! They were at a party, which PP showed up to. You really are grasping at straws here.

Gigimo · Jul 5, 2019

Sparagmos said:
We know there was no cement in the milkshakes. No one is still making that claim. Yet here you are, acting like it’s still an unknown, fanning the fake news flames.

I'm not making any claims... I just posted an article that said there was concrete in them and you proclaimed it to be a lie, where's the proof it's a lie?

And after you produce said proof you might want to send it to the authors of all of the articles claiming there was concrete in them so you can demand they print retractions. :idea:

tall73 · Jul 5, 2019

(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ) said:
Pleads guilty to disorderly conduct. Not assault.

https://nypost.com/2019/04/05/proud-boys-member-takes-no-jail-plea-deal-for-role-in-ues-brawl/

One pleaded guilty to attempted assault and riot in connection with the same incident, however.

(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ) · Jul 5, 2019

tall73 said:
https://nypost.com/2019/04/05/proud-boys-member-takes-no-jail-plea-deal-for-role-in-ues-brawl/

One pleaded guilty to attempted assault and riot in connection with the same incident, however.

Okay, it appears that he later pled guilty in attempted assault. But that still isn't meeting the legal definition of terrorism. Proud Boys would be more appropriately categorized as a gang, not terrorists.

tall73 · Jul 5, 2019

(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ) said:
Okay, it appears that he later pled guilty in attempted assault. But that still isn't meeting the legal definition of terrorism. Proud Boys would be more appropriately categorized as a gang, not terrorists.

Does it matter how we characterize people? If they commit a crime it can be handled either way.

(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ) · Jul 5, 2019

PeachyKeane said:
Why do you think you feel the need to defend them?

I am not defending them. Go back and reread my posts. I specifically said that I condemn their behavior. But you need to look at the situation rationally and not emotionally. Legally, Proud Boys and Patriot Prayer do not meet the legal definition of being a domestic terrorist group. If anything, they could be categorized as a gang. That is all. The reason why ANTIFA should be categorized as a terrorist group is because their mission and purpose as described in their manifesto meets the criteria, Furthermore, their roles in planning and coordinating systematic attacks on political opposition is textbook terrorism. Now, the question you ought to be asked is why are you defending a domestic terrorist group like ANTIFA?

PeachyKeane · Jul 5, 2019

(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ) said:
I am not defending them. Go back and reread my posts. I specifically said that I condemn their behavior. But you need to look at the situation rationally and not emotionally. Legally, Proud Boys and Patriot Prayer do not meet the legal definition of being a domestic terrorist group. If anything, they could be categorized as a gang. That is all. The reason why ANTIFA should be categorized as a terrorist group is because their mission and purpose as described in their manifesto meets the criteria, Furthermore, their roles in planning and coordinating systematic attacks on political opposition is textbook terrorism. Now, the question you ought to be asked is why are you defending a domestic terrorist group like ANTIFA?

Proud Boys do that too.

Chat Logs Show Proud Boys Plotting Violent Attacks

I have not lifted a finger to defend Antifa.

(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ) · Jul 5, 2019

PeachyKeane said:
Proud Boys do that too.

Do you care to back up your statement with some example of any acts of terrorism committed by Proud Boys?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...ud-boys-are-not-an-extremist-group-after-all/

(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ) · Jul 5, 2019

Sparagmos said:
Lol, how can you tell someone is Antifa? And that photo shows they were in the restaurant, on the patio! They were at a party, which PP showed up to. You really are grasping at straws here.

(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ) · Jul 5, 2019

Ironhold said:
like the WWII vet they accused of being a "Nazi" because he dared call them out on something - and property gets destroyed.

St. Helens · Jul 5, 2019

MOD HAT ON

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Sparagmos · Jul 8, 2019

(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ) said:
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I have no idea what that photo means to you...or how you know that a group is antifa.

Sparagmos · Jul 8, 2019

(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ) said:
Do you care to back up your statement with some example of any acts of terrorism committed by Proud Boys?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...ud-boys-are-not-an-extremist-group-after-all/

EXCLUSIVE: Leaked Proud Boys Chats Show Members Plotting Violence At Rallies

Did you read the about proud boys plotting violence, plotting to bait “antifa” into fights, bragging about their weapons, and making death threats? Or did you ignore the article because upyou know it might prove you wrong?

(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ) · Jul 8, 2019

Sparagmos said:
EXCLUSIVE: Leaked Proud Boys Chats Show Members Plotting Violence At Rallies

Did you read the about proud boys plotting violence, plotting to bait “antifa” into fights, bragging about their weapons, and making death threats? Or did you ignore the article because upyou know it might prove you wrong?

Did you read my posts where I said exactly what you are referencing? You could have saved yourself some time if you would have just read what I posted.

(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ) said:
The Proud Boys are playing ANTIFA like puppets in a propaganda war. Their tactic, which is extremely effective, is taunting ANTIFA members into violence and then using the violent acts as propaganda to delegitimize the ANTIFA movement.

(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ) said:
Again, the Proud Boys taunt ANTIFA into violence with their mere presence for propaganda purposes. And they love doing it because it works every single time. They are wrong and I condemn that behavior.

(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ) said:
I absolutely never said that they weren't violent. They can be extremely violent. Many do get arrested for their violence and like I said, I condemn their violent behavior. I am not "painting the Proud Boys as merely taunters." I am just pointing out that taunting is a very effective tactic used in their propaganda war against ANTIFA.

All ANTIFA has to do to win this propaganda war is have a little bit of self control. Which apparently is too much to ask. Again, when it comes to ANTIFA, all the Proud Boys have to do is wear a MAGA hat and they can get away with all the "self-defense" they could ever dream of. Which, by the way, doesn't meet the legal definition of terrorism. Perhaps thuggish trolling, but not terrorism.

Edit: BTW, Patriot Prayer is doing the exact same thing with great effectiveness.

SummerMadness · Jul 8, 2019

(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ) said:
All ANTIFA has to do to win this propaganda war is have a little bit of self control. Which apparently is too much to ask. Again, when it comes to ANTIFA, all the Proud Boys have to do is wear a MAGA hat and they can get away with all the "self-defense" they could ever dream of.

I see you have no issue with incitement.

Kentonio · Jul 8, 2019

Ironhold said:
The red & black you see Antifa wear isn't coincidence.

While black is the color associated with anarchy, the red highlight denotes them as being anarcho-communists.

Yes, the highlight color you see with the black says what aspect of the anarchist movement you're dealing with.

Green is anarcho-environmentalists.

Yellow is anarcho-capitalists.

Pink is anarcho-feminists.

White is anarcho-pacifists.

Et cetra.

The anarcho-pacifists have rejected violence in all forms, while the anarcho-capitalist movement is embracing the "non-aggression" principle that allows for self-defense but prohibits attacking first.

It's the anarcho-communists who are doing this.

There have been incidents literally nation-wide in which members of Antifa groups have used extreme or even lethal force in attacking people, such as the Bernie Bro who had his head cracked open or the guy who was beaten with a bike lock.

Their lack of a body count is not for a lack of trying.

I love the idea that anarchists have a set uniform with precise colour coding. You do know what anarchy means right?

(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ) · Jul 8, 2019

SummerMadness said:
I see you have no issue with incitement.

Apparently you don't because you are not reading my posts.

(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ) said:
Again, the Proud Boys taunt ANTIFA into violence with their mere presence for propaganda purposes. And they love doing it because it works every single time. They are wrong and I condemn that behavior.

(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ) said:
I absolutely never said that they weren't violent. They can be extremely violent. Many do get arrested for their violence and like I said, I condemn their violent behavior.

Merely pointing out the effectiveness of their tactics doesn't mean I support their tactics.

Sparagmos · Jul 8, 2019

(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ) said:
Did you read my posts where I said exactly what you are referencing? You could have saved yourself some time if you would have just read what I posted.

All ANTIFA has to do to win this propaganda war is have a little bit of self control. Which apparently is too much to ask. Again, when it comes to ANTIFA, all the Proud Boys have to do is wear a MAGA hat and they can get away with all the "self-defense" they could ever dream of. Which, by the way, doesn't meet the legal definition of terrorism. Perhaps thuggish trolling, but not terrorism.

Where did you say that proud boys plan the violence? Initiate the violence? Have made death threats? Brag about their weapons? They specifically say they want to “eradicate” communists. And I’ll repeat for the umteenth time, they don’t just target Antifa, they target leftists of all sorts, the vast majority of whom have never been involved in ANY kind of violence.

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