Sola Fide (Faith Alone) Sets the Record Straight

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He also stated that he was only sent to the Jews, and not the Gentiles.

Jesus may not have taught the Gentiles directly, but he revealed the gospel to Paul (Gal 1:11-12), and Paul was filled with the Holy Spirit and given the task to preach the gospel to the Gentiles.
 
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I take it, you are referring to the story of the Canaanite woman. She showed faith, and Jesus healed her. The story is to teach us that all those who come to Jesus with faith will be healed.

That is commonly taught in Sunday school and churches yes. But the real lesson there is that, under the Gospel of the Kingdom, Gentiles can only be blessed thru the Jews. Recall she made the point about little puppies getting the crumbs from the Jewish children's bread?

But under the Gospel of Grace, the Gentiles can now be blessed independent of the Jews.
 
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Jesus may not have taught the Gentiles directly, but he revealed the gospel to Paul (Gal 1:11-12), and Paul was filled with the Holy Spirit and given the task to preach the gospel to the Gentiles.

So you believe the gospel he revealed to Paul was exactly the same gospel preached in the 4 Gospels? Okay then, I find that people who believe that very rarely ever change their mind. Let's agree to disagree.
 
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That is commonly taught in Sunday school and churches yes. But the real lesson there is that, under the Gospel of the Kingdom, Gentiles can only be blessed thru the Jews. Recall she made the point about little puppies getting the crumbs from the Jewish children's bread?

But under the Gospel of Grace, the Gentiles can now be blessed independent of the Jews.
Not sure of your point. Are you saying the gospel of the kingdom is different from the gospel of grace?
 
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I believe he was trying to bring the Jew to the end of himself, since he was relying solely on the Law to gain eternal life. He should turn to Jesus and believe in him first, before trying to keep the Law.
What does "end of himself" mean? Jesus informed the man that obeying the weightier commandments would result in eternal life. Which is a fact. Elizabeth and Zachariah were found righteous.

Second, there is no indication the man had to turn to Jesus first. If you see the pattern, Abraham, Moses, Joshua, Peter all left mammon first. Then when they saw God's great works, they cut all remaining ties, depended totally on God and were completed, perfected, fulfilled, unlike Korah, Judas, Ananias and Sapphira. The young man seemed to have left banking on mammon, but cutting all links was difficult for him. If he had followed Christ, he would have seen great works and repented, meta noia-ed, made himself anew, in ashes.
 
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Not sure of your point. Are you saying the gospel of the kingdom is different from the gospel of grace?

Yes, they are very different. In simple summary

GOK is based on believing Jesus's identity as the Son of God. You need to believe that AND do works, in order to be saved.

GOG is based on believing Jesus's death burial and resurrection. You only need to believe to be saved, no works required.
 
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What does "end of himself" mean? Jesus informed the man that obeying the weightier commandments would result in eternal life. Which is a fact. Elizabeth and Zachariah were found righteous.

Second, there is no indication the man had to turn to Jesus first. If you see the pattern, Abraham, Moses, Joshua, Peter all left mammon first. Then when they saw God's great works, they cut all remaining ties, depended totally on God and were completed, perfected, fulfilled, unlike Korah, Judas, Ananias and Sapphira. The young man seemed to have left banking on mammon, but cutting all links was difficult for him. If he had followed Christ, he would have seen great works and repented, meta noia-ed, made himself anew, in ashes.

End of himself means end of relying on the law alone to be justified. They need to believe in Jesus as their promised Messiah and Son of God. Paul explained this well in Romans 9 and 10.
 
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Yes, they are very different. In simple summary

GOK is based on believing Jesus's identity as the Son of God. You need to believe that AND do works, in order to be saved.

GOG is based on believing Jesus's death burial and resurrection. You only need to believe to be saved, no works required.
Can a 'GOG' believer, saved and born-again, then move on to GOK?
 
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So you believe the gospel he revealed to Paul was exactly the same gospel preached in the 4 Gospels? Okay then, I find that people who believe that very rarely ever change their mind. Let's agree to disagree.
The word "gospel" means "good news." Jesus was preaching the gospel of the kingdom to Israel. John the Baptist preached the gospel of the kingdom, which was, "..Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." (Matthew 3:2) This shows that before the cross, the content of the gospel that Paul taught and came to him through a revelation of Jesus Christ (Galatians 1:11-12) was still a mystery.

Ephesians 3:1 - For this reason I, Paul, the prisoner of Christ Jesus for you Gentiles— 2 if indeed you have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which was given to me for you, 3 how that by revelation He made known to me the mystery (as I have briefly written already, 4 by which, when you read, you may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ), 5 which in other ages was not made known to the sons of men, as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to His holy apostles and prophets: 6 that the Gentiles should be fellow heirs, of the same body, and partakers of His promise in Christ through the gospel, 7 of which I became a minister according to the gift of the grace of God given to me by the effective working of His power. 8 To me, who am less than the least of all the saints, this grace was given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ, 9 and to make all see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the ages has been hidden in God who created all things through Jesus Christ.

That was not part of the gospel which the twelve, John the Baptist, and Jesus Christ were preaching in the 4 gospels. Yet, they were still preaching the gospel of the kingdom to Israel.

Jesus Christ sent the twelve to preach only to Israel. Matthew 10:5 - These twelve Jesus sent out and commanded them, saying: “Do not go into the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter a city of the Samaritans. 6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 7 And as you go, preach, saying, ‘The kingdom of heaven is at hand.’ *The disciples were specifically told to go only to the people of Israel, and they were not yet preaching anything about the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ.

In Matthew 16:15, Jesus Christ asked His disciples, “But who do you say that I am?” 16 Simon Peter answered and said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” 17 Jesus answered and said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven. See John 20:31.

Now Peter had no clue that Jesus Christ would be crucified, buried and resurrected. At this point, he only believed that Jesus was the Christ, the Son of the living God. This is obvious when, only moments later, Peter rebukes Jesus Christ for saying he will be killed, and be raised again the third day." (Matthew 16:21) In verse 22, "..Peter took him and began to rebuke him, saying, “Far be it from You, Lord; this shall not happen to You!”

Before his death, Jesus told the twelve that he had to die and that he would rise on the third day. Looking back upon this passage we see this as Jesus speaking of an event that would change the history of the world. However, it's unquestionable that the disciples were ignorant of its meaning.

“Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem,…And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again. And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken. – Luke 18:31-34. hmm... that's strange if the gospel that came through a revelation of Jesus Christ to Paul and was a mystery prior to that has the same content as the gospel of the kingdom in the 4 gospel accounts. *This is where we need to RIGHTLY DIVIDE THE WORD OF TRUTH.

After his crucifixion, instead of anxiously waiting his resurrection, the apostles were still ignorant, disheartened at the death of their redeemer, and did not even at first believe the testimony of his resurrection (Mark 16:14, Luke 24:19-24). It was not until after his resurrection that Jesus appeared to the apostles and opened their understanding (Luke 24:44-47).

In 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, we see that the gospel is the "good news" of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ. In this age, there is a distinctive element to the content of the gospel which is called "the mystery of the gospel." (Ephesians 6:19; Colossians 1:26-27; 4:3) This new revelation is that the Gentiles are fellow heirs and fellow members of the same body, and fellow partakers of the promise. (Ephesians 3:6) Such equality, Jew and Gentile united together in one body (the body of Christ) was previously unknown. The distinctive message of the church is that Jew and Gentile alike may believe the gospel and be united together into one body (Ephesians 1:13; 1 Corinthians 12:13).
 
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Can a 'GOG' believer, saved and born-again, then move on to GOK?

By the time the Jerusalem Council event in Acts 15, Peter exercised his authority to declare that the GOK is gone and dusted.

11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

So the answer to your question is no. Now, both Jews and Gentiles are only saved thru the GOG.
 
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End of himself means end of relying on the law alone to be justified. They need to believe in Jesus as their promised Messiah and Son of God. Paul explained this well in Romans 9 and 10.
What kind of salvation is this :

Luke 1
5In the days of Herod, king of Judea, there was a priest named Zacharias, of the division of Abijah; and he had a wife from the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elizabeth. 6They were both righteous in the sight of God, walking blamelessly in all the commandments and requirements of the Lord.
 
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What kind of salvation is this :

Luke 1
5In the days of Herod, king of Judea, there was a priest named Zacharias, of the division of Abijah; and he had a wife from the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elizabeth. 6They were both righteous in the sight of God, walking blamelessly in all the commandments and requirements of the Lord.

Since they are the parents of John the Baptist, I will assume they will be baptized by him too once John starts preaching.

If that is the case, then this will be the salvation under the Gospel of the Kingdom.
 
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Yes, they are very different. In simple summary

GOK is based on believing Jesus's identity as the Son of God. You need to believe that AND do works, in order to be saved.

GOG is based on believing Jesus's death burial and resurrection. You only need to believe to be saved, no works required.
But the Gentiles were given the Kingdom of God :

Matthew 21
43"Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people, producing the fruit of it.
 
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By the time the Jerusalem Council event in Acts 15, Peter exercised his authority to declare that the GOK is gone and dusted.

11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

So the answer to your question is no. Now, both Jews and Gentiles are only saved thru the GOG.
The kingdom of God is the rule of God, and God rules by grace. A kingdom has a king, and the king sits on a throne. The good news of the kingdom is that we are now saved by grace through faith. Hebrews 4:16, 'Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.'

Notice that mercy is part of grace, and we are saved by God's mercy.
 
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But the Gentiles were given the Kingdom of God :

Matthew 21
43"Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people, producing the fruit of it.

Yes, that is because the Jews rejected their Messiah. Your point being?
 
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The kingdom of God is the rule of God, and God rules by grace. A kingdom has a king, and the king sits on a throne. The good news of the kingdom is that we are now saved by grace through faith. Hebrews 4:16, 'Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.'

Notice that mercy is part of grace, and we are saved by God's mercy.

Yes, but the Gospel of the Kingdom was a promise that that Jesus will return once the Jewish nation accepted him. Peter offered the physical return of Jesus in Acts 3.

19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.

20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:

Under the Gospel of Grace, no such return is forthcoming. The church is now awaiting the rapture, which has no pre-requisite.
 
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Yes, but the Gospel of the Kingdom was a promise that that Jesus will return once the Jewish nation accepted him. Peter offered the physical return of Jesus in Acts 3.

19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.

20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:

Under the Gospel of Grace, no such return is forthcoming. The church is now awaiting the rapture, which has no pre-requisite.

Two points.
First, the gospel of the kingdom of God, the gospel of Jesus Christ, the gospel of peace, and the gospel of the grace of God are different labels for the exact same gospel.

Second, you said no such return is forthcoming. After Jesus' resurrection and ascension, the Holy Spirit is poured out to all people, which is the return, without the Spirit there is no grace.
 
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