Questions Regarding Dietary Law (For Gentile Christians)

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20And Noah built an altar to the Lord, and he took of all the clean animals and of all the clean fowl and brought up burnt offerings on the altar.

It was not that he had chosen them, but the fact that the L-RD brought that many to him to harbor in the ark. It only takes deductive reasoning to figure out why.

of all the clean animals: He (Noah) said,“The Holy One, blessed be He, commanded me to take in seven pairs of these only in order to offer up a sacrifice from them.” - [from Tan. Vayakhel 6, Gen. Rabbah 34:9]​

It is not distinquished that it was a lamb, the Hebrew word is for 'flock' of small animals, could have been a kid or a lamb, but it is not specified.




Actually poison ivy can be eaten, there are some people that start eating it when it first appears, in tiny amounts, which after a time inoculates the person from having an allergic reaction.

3 Every moving thing that lives shall be yours to eat; like the green vegetation, I have given you everything.

shall be yours to eat: (Sanhedrin 59b) For I did not permit the first man [Adam] to eat meat, but only vegetation, but for you, just as the green vegetation which I permitted for the first man, I have given you everything.​

I believe I did say it meant food, but it was specified what should be considered 'food' just as speaking in a Kosher way to say 'food' means only the permissible things.

Good, I'm glad to hear that. however there are other sources one can use that will verify what I said.

Gen 1: 29 Then God said, "Here! Throughout the whole earth I am giving you as food every seed-bearing plant and every tree with seed-bearing fruit.
30 And to every wild animal, bird in the air and creature crawling on the earth, in which there is a living soul, I am giving as food every kind of green plant." And that is how it was.

Gen 9:3
3 Every moving thing that lives will be food for you; just as I gave you green plants before, so now I give you everything -
4 only flesh with its life, which is its blood, you are not to eat.
Since the foundation?

How many prophets do you know?
I agree that a lamb is offered by havel
 
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Are you saying that clean meat (beef, chicken, fish) may have pig blood or meat glue in it? I understand milk to be made of cow blood.
Evidently in pre-processed products it can. It comes down to a food safety issue.
 
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Do you think it is a common issue?
I think it would be in what we call over processed items. Things like chicken nuggets for example. These kinds of things are like meatloaf. When people make meatloaf at home they add fillers, cracker crumbs, or bread crumbs, then add an egg for a binder. The binder holds all the ingredients of it together. The same idea in dredging a chicken fried steak in egg before you dredge in flour. The egg binds the flour to the steak to make a crusty outside. So yeah, in products that need a binder might have what is also been called "pink slime".
 
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I think it would be in what we call over processed items. Things like chicken nuggets for example. These kinds of things are like meatloaf. When people make meatloaf at home they add fillers, cracker crumbs, or bread crumbs, then add an egg for a binder. The binder holds all the ingredients of it together. The same idea in dredging a chicken fried steak in egg before you dredge in flour. The egg binds the flour to the steak to make a crusty outside. So yeah, in products that need a binder might have what is also been called "pink slime".
What about steak or beef?
 
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1.Since the foundation?

2.How many prophets do you know?
3.I agree that a lamb is offered by havel

  1. I'm not sure to which part of my post you are referring to?
  2. Are you referring to those who claim to speak for G-d?
  3. Yes, the clarification of him being a shepherd kinda solidify s that. :)
 
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All of which are already "safely handled and cooked"

In this forum we are concerned about not eating what G-d says not to eat.
It was never changed.
Jesus never declared that what was unclean in the Torah was now 'clean'.

Pigs in any form, government 'certified' notwithstanding, are still unclean for us.
 
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  1. I'm not sure to which part of my post you are referring to?
  2. Are you referring to those who claim to speak for G-d?
  3. Yes, the clarification of him being a shepherd kinda solidify s that. :)
Thankyou,

The thing about a kid(goat).
For those that have observed such an animals eating habits. They may of noticed that goats sort of eat and chew on many sorts of things.
The distinction between goats and sheep is an intimate knowledge far as I can see.

One such distinction other than diet is their covering.

While finely woven wool of lambs is like a silk woven in loving kindness.
A goats hide is for tanners to discern.
 
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In this forum we are concerned about not eating what G-d says not to eat.
It was never changed.
Jesus never declared that what was unclean in the Torah was now 'clean'.

Pigs in any form, government 'certified' notwithstanding, are still unclean for us.
If cross contamination is illegal; I do not understand how meat clue (pig blood) mixing is legal? So if there are no food additives or processed foods, then there may be no pig blood. However that still does not guarantee the food is kosher.
 
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In this forum we are concerned about not eating what G-d says not to eat.
It was never changed.
Jesus never declared that what was unclean in the Torah was now 'clean'.

Pigs in any form, government 'certified' notwithstanding, are still unclean for us.
I understand that. Usda is concerned with food safety. My point was that you should not have to worry about buying raw meat cuts in a store or butcher shop.
 
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I understand that. Usda is concerned with food safety. My point was that you should not have to worry about buying raw meat cuts in a store or butcher shop.
So would you say that buying raw meat in a store or butcher shop is "kosher"?
 
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If cross contamination is illegal; I do not understand how meat clue (pig blood) mixing is legal? So if there are no food additives or processed foods, then there may be no pig blood. However that still does not guarantee the food is kosher.
If it is pre cooked that way, it might be legal. Because the people which are making it are handling it safely.
 
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So would you say that buying raw meat in a store or butcher shop is "kosher"?
Depends on what standard is "kosher" for you. It is not salted to draw as much blood out as possible. But you should not have to worry about "other" animals being involved when you buy that.
 
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More and more meat is being certified “halal”.

Also, we have no way of verifying the way these animals are slaughtered, if they are abused, if the animal died of itself and was still used for meat etc

Most animals are abused and kept in deplorable living conditions that are raised for meat for sale in grocery stores, restaurants(fast food/pizza etc and dine-in)

They might be serving an animal that is clean in terms of classification, but the meat is not fit to eat.

There is a lot of meat that is halal, but the label doesn’t say it’s halal. Many companies are sneaky about it: they’ll tell you that their meat is halal if you ask, but they don’t label it as halal. Shenandoah Valley Organic Chicken, for example.

The customer service rep told me that they have a Muslim priest bless the chickens at slaughter. In other words, the chickens are sacrificed to the idol of Islam.

The bottom line is, if we know it was sacrificed to an idol, we shouldn’t eat it.
 
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Also, we have no way of verifying the way these animals are slaughtered, if they are abused, if the animal died of itself and was still used for meat etc
The way they are slaughtered is humane, it is how they are raised that would be the question.....
An animal which has died of itself is not acceptable. An animal which is able to be sold after slaughter has to be killed under USDA inspection.
 
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The way they are slaughtered is humane, it is how they are raised that would be the question.....
An animal which has died of itself is not acceptable. An animal which is able to be sold after slaughter has to be killed under USDA inspection.
I’ve seen videos of animals not being slaughtered “humanely” that are in facilities that are supposedly under “USDA inspection”. That’s a buzz-phrase.

I’m personally not comfortable placing my faith in these huge corporations raising animals inhumanely to slaughter them correctly. Their goal is money, not to do the right thing.
 
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I’ve seen videos of animals not being slaughtered “humanely” that are in facilities that are supposedly under “USDA inspection”. That’s a buzz-phrase.

I’m personally not comfortable placing my faith in these huge corporations raising animals inhumanely to slaughter them correctly. Their goal is money, not to do the right thing.
I can understand and even agree concerning the treatment of animals. I am merely seeing some myths spoken of in here that are troubling. All meat killed outside of usda inspection (and there are many, people do raise beef for their personal consumption) must be processed and clearly labeled "not for sale". Yes, others besides the grower may purchase the meat but....They must purchase it before it is slaughtered. Once slaughtered it cannot be sold.
 
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I’ve seen videos of animals not being slaughtered “humanely” that are in facilities that are supposedly under “USDA inspection”. That’s a buzz-phrase.
Yes, and I also know of a "kill floor" which was shut down after minutes of mistreatment due to a rare unforeseeable occurrence. An animal breaking through a shute, and running off. Their mistake was running after it.
I’m personally not comfortable placing my faith in these huge corporations raising animals inhumanely to slaughter them correctly. Their goal is money, not to do the right thing.
You have options: Finding yourself a private grower that complies with all your concern points is one. Or stop eating meat
 
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