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Things on the internet can be controlled, for now. You don't have to watch those. Its okay to know whats going on, but all politics do is divide people. I am not saying be ignorant of the things going on in the world, just don't let it be the focal point.

I don't think this is always the case for everyone, either. I think some (not all) struggle with inappropriate content, and the only way for them to overcome is to cut themselves off from having a computer, or private home internet access, and they should either have public library access to the internet or no internet at all. Again, I have a TV and I do not watch sinful secular movies anymore. I put them away in the fall of 2016, and decided to only watch Christian movies, and or nature documentaries. But if you feel you cannot control yourself or your family to watch just Christian films, and clean nature documentaries, then by all means, throw out your TV. But do not assume that having a TV is wrong for all believers. I have no problem watching just Christian content and or nature videos alone.
 
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Not all forms, i watch YouTube but i watch certain videos. I have had to do alot of blocking youtubers as well. We can pray and ask the Lord what we can do to relax and unwind, we don't need the sins of the world to help us do it.

Oh just grow up. I am getting better at controlling what I watch but TV is and always will be an important part of my life. It's how my family often hangs out, and has good discussions because of, it's how I bond with friends. I can not keep doing this. You are taking things to an extreme, we all just need to be very careful about what we take in and enjoy what's ok. I mean by your logic, most books are out (gasp that character sweared), movies are out, video games are out (so violent)...I mean come on
 
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I think you should live on a mountain, away from anything. Especially since you view god as that insecure that he really doesn't like it when you just want to entertain yourself and have moments of enjoying the life he gave that it's a complete bad thing to not give him religious attention 24/7.

Please, lighten up. A lot.

I was a sinners, sinner. I did everything and anything one could think of. By the grace of God he got my attention, twice. I am giving up alot and will continue to purge whatever the Lord says isnt good. I struggle with sin here and there but i won't practice it. Jesus was very serious and focused, but of course he had fun and i do too. My joy isn't worldly anymore it comes from knowing the Lord.
 
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I was a sinners, sinner. I did everything and anything one could think of. By the grace of God he got my attention, twice. I am giving up alot and will continue to purge whatever the Lord says isnt good. I struggle with sin here and there but i won't practice it. Jesus was very serious and focused, but of course he had fun and i do too. My joy isn't worldly anymore it comes from knowing the Lord.

That's great, it really is. I also appreciate you trying to help us but you can come across as really pushy. Not everything is equally harmful for everyone, or their Walk with God
 
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You think sin isn't fun? What sins have you committed? Sin is very fun that's why we do it. We shouldn't, obviously, but we do.

Sometimes simply relaxing helps us get closer to the Lord. Sometimes we honestly need to just unwind or get things done around the house or whatever. I get where you're coming from but I simply do not see the hatred of all forms of TV

True happiness is not in sin, but it is walking in the good ways of the Lord.
Sin is a hollow temporary pleasure that will destroy a person in the end.
 
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Not all forms, i watch YouTube but i watch certain videos. I have had to do alot of blocking youtubers as well. We can pray and ask the Lord what we can do to relax and unwind, we don't need the sins of the world to help us do it.
Watching youtube channels are the same as watching tv/cable channels.......Blocking youtube channels is the same as unsubscribing from tv channels....or using parental controls. Looking as a TV screen is the same as looking at a computer or cellphone screen......and they are mostly interchangeable.....e.g. most TVs can be connected to computers to be used as a monitor...

So essentially, you are doing the same thing that you are advising others against. Only you have found a way to do it, that you deem better than the way you did it in the past..

But fret not.....The world is all moving towards your, now preferred, mode of tv consumption. Cable tv and boxes will become a thing of the past.....everyone is moving to YouTubTV and other subscription internet services.

So maybe it is not about changing from our mode of tv consumption to your mode.....since the industry is headed this direction anyway...... But more so the selection of media that we decide to take in? Because, as shown.....looking at a tv is no different than watching youtube on the same tv or pc........So if you condemn tv watchers, you are condemning yourself..

But you may have the argument that the media you consume is more holy than what you believe everyone else consumes......but we would need to know what you watch (not the device you choose to watch it on) to agree or disagree.
 
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I haven't came across any once saved always saved doctrine from the website, but i don't believe in that myself. Her deliverance serise and deception series is pretty thorough. I am advocating a seperation from the world as the scriptures state. Tv is used to influence and manipulate people. I seek the truth and thanks be to God i am finding it.

Hmmm, my bad. I was thinking they were another website that has a similar name. I think their belief is similar to those who are Free Will Baptists. They deny Eternal Security, but they think they are saved solely on having a belief in the finished work of Christ (Which is not biblical - See 1 John 1:7, and Hebrews 5:9). They do not think one sin can separate a person from God, even though Adam and Eve had met spiritual death by their one time disobedience to God's command.

Here is an article by them on the issue:
Is Eternal Security Scriptural
 
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Watching youtube channels are the same as watching tv/cable channels.......Blocking youtube channels is the same as unsubscribing from tv channels....or using parental controls. Looking as a TV screen is the same as looking at a computer or cellphone screen......and they are mostly interchangeable.....e.g. most TVs can be connected to computers to be used as a monitor...

So essentially, you are doing the same thing that you are advising others against. Only you have found a way to do it, that you deem better than the way you did it in the past..

But fret not.....The world is all moving towards your, now preferred, mode of tv consumption. Cable tv and boxes will become a thing of the past.....everyone is moving to YouTubTV and other subscription internet services.

So maybe it is not about changing from our mode of tv consumption to your mode.....since the industry is headed this direction anyway...... But more so the selection of media that we decide to take in? Because, as shown.....looking at a tv is no different than watching youtube on the same tv or pc........So if you condemn tv watchers, you are condemning yourself..

But you may have the argument that the media you consume is more holy than what you believe everyone else consumes......but we would need to know what you watch (not the device you choose to watch it on) to agree or disagree.

Yes, I agree. You cannot condemn TV watching if you watch video content on the internet (Which the same concept).
 
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TV lets me watch such movies as The Passion, Jesus of Nazareth and Paul, Apostle of Christ. They have all helped to deepen my faith, and as long as you aren't watching something that could harm your faith, then TV is a perfectly legitimate form of recreation.
 
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Things on the internet can be controlled, for now.

But the net is much less controlled than television.

You don't have to watch those.

I don't, but I also don't watch such shows on television.

Its okay to know whats going on, but all politics do is divide people. I am not saying be ignorant of the things going on in the world, just don't let it be the focal point.

Don't recall saying that politics was my focal point.
 
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Not all forms, i watch YouTube but i watch certain videos. I have had to do alot of blocking youtubers as well. We can pray and ask the Lord what we can do to relax and unwind, we don't need the sins of the world to help us do it.

The general principle (if not already laid out somewhere above) is that we are to avoid temptations that are more than we can handle.

Or, stated clearly and firmly: "If your right eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell."

Consider when Paul went to Athens (Acts chapter 17), and he went around and looked at the things of the city....

We can expect that Paul saw idols along the way.

Of course, Paul did not suddenly begin to worship those idols.

Paul was not required to turn his gaze quickly away I think -- I doubt very strongly he was tempted to worship an idol.

I can see a new car, or a silly advertisement for one, without any lusting for it. I tend to look away from mere boredom, no matter the car, though a few are admirable for artistic design, even those do not induce any deisire in me.

Someone else though might need to turn away.

It's individual.

All that said, sure, there is plenty on TV I'd intentionally turn off, specifically in order to avoid the bad influence from. Plenty, I think, though I'm not aware of much of what is on now.

Did you know the wonderful movie Polycarp, about the disciple of John the Apostle, is available on Amazon prime? Recommended!
 
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Its the word of God.

2 Timothy 3:16 KJV — All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

It is for us to learn his ways and forsake wickedness. It is a big difference from tv, because those shows don't give God the glory and praise.[/QUOT]

Many shows may not, but so what? As I previously mentioned, they generally may not profit us anything but they are still allowed in a world where so much is not. They have some value as in they relax me, and I function better if i take the occasional break and do that. And please don't tell me I could find something else to relax with, God doesn't so why would you?

We can make opposing arguments all day long but in the end, it's allowed and it's what I choose to do. I don't strive to be better or worse than other Christians, only to deal with life here the way I see fit, and if that means taking something that may not glorify God as some seem to think we need to do 24/7 while the Lord does allow it, I will, and not feel guilty as some would have me do.
 
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Its the word of God.

2 Timothy 3:16 KJV — All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

It is for us to learn his ways and forsake wickedness. It is a big difference from tv, because those shows don't give God the glory and praise.

Many shows may not, but so what? As I previously mentioned, they generally may not profit us anything but they are still allowed in a world where so much is not. They have some value as in they relax me, and I function better if i take the occasional break and do that. And please don't tell me I could find something else to relax with, God doesn't so why would you?

We can make opposing arguments all day long but in the end, it's allowed and it's what I choose to do. I don't strive to be better or worse than other Christians, only to deal with life here the way I see fit, and if that means taking something that may not glorify God as some seem to think we need to do 24/7 while the Lord does allow it, I will, and not feel guilty as some would have me do.

All things are lawful, but not all things are profitable.
All things are lawful, but not all things edify.
 
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I use YouTube for only Christian programming.

... because television never has any "Christian" programming and YouTube never promotes sinful content. Got it.

Last night I watched one of the best films I've seen in a long time on NetFlix called "Get Low". Excellent writing, production, and acting along with a powerful message about the nature of forgiveness. It even had two ministers in it who were portrayed with dignity and respect and were encouraging the main character to seek God.

On top of all that, even though it had Christian themes and Christian characters, it won wide praise from film critics (though many in this forum continually bash the film industry as if nothing good could ever happen).

Unfortunately, it didn't do well in theaters. To make matters worse, the reviews I saw from Christian reviewers gave it a "meh" rating. Why? Because the main character didn't say the sinner's prayer at the end of the movie followed by the saccharine kitsch of joining the church choir and singing a heart tugging song for a conclusion. Yuck.
 
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I got this from this website
Jesus-is-Lord.com
I agree with everything written

Christian, do you have a television in your home?

You do? Why?

Because there are some good, informative programmes on, and some great comedies.
Because we got one as a wedding present, and if we hadn't, hubby would have gone and bought one.

If Jesus came back tonight, do you think He would be happy to find His army staring glassy-eyed at some flesh-pleasing trash being pumped out of Hollywood into the minds of His soldiers?

If Jesus came back tonight do you think he'd be happy to find his children sitting in front of computer screens, criticising one another and sitting in judgement on those who don't behave as they do?

Have you ever stopped to think about that thing that you stare at night after night, day after day, year after year?

Yes.
I don't watch it as often as those words suggest though.

Did you spend more time on your television today than you did on your knees or reading your Bible?

Not so far.

Do you allow your children to sit hour after hour, day after day, year after year in front of a boob tube?

No - don't have children.

Would you invite Satan to come into your home, sit down in your living room, talk, tell jokes, show evil pictures for hour after hour to your wife and children?

I don't have a wife and children.
Satan is capable of coming into any home, and doesn't wait to be invited.

Would you invite a sex pervert into your living room to brag to your family about his or her "alternate lifestyle"? Would you let a drug-pusher come into your home and give everyone in your household a drug that would dull their mind, make you forget God, make you feel nice and happy and stupid, day after day, year after year?

Obviously not.
But as I don't watch sex, inappropriate content or drugs on TV - and should there be some on, I have the discernment not to go out and indulge in drug filled orgies as a result - there's not a problem.
The stupidity comes from articles suggesting that if Christians see something negative on tv they are going to "go and do likewise", or immediately adopt the standards and practices shown.

Isn't that what many Christians do [by watching mindless television]?

No.

If statistics are true (and every one knows they lie), then 97% of American homes have a television in them.

That's fine; I'm British. :)


What does God say about it?

Don't know - show me where the word television is in Scripture and I'm willing to learn.

In the second epistle of John, verses 9-11, we read:

9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

The Word of God tells us to not invite someone into our house who abideth not in the doctrine of Christ.

I don't invite them into my house.
I turn on a tv set which is showing a - usually pre-recorded - programme made by actors. If it interests me, I watch it. If it doesn't, if someone comes to visit or I have something else to do; I turn it off.

Do you think that those actors and producers out in Hollywood love the Lord and abide in His doctrines?

Some may do.
Some people become Christians and then stay in the job/career they're already in so they can witness in that environment. Cliff Richard wanted to be ordained when he became a Christian but felt, or was told, that he could be a witness for Christ where he was. The pop world is notorious for drugs, alcohol, easy marriages and people having affairs - Cliff has been a Christian example in that industry for years.

It's not the kind of environment you want to bring into your living room everyday. In fact, those Hollywood people who pump out their programs into your household hate the Lord and despise His doctrines and blasphemously mock Him.

Just as well I don't watch any programmes made in Hollywood then.

Do you think that the sponsors of television programs tell you the truth in their advertising?

They have to tell the truth about their product, otherwise they'd be fined by the advertising commission, or whatever it's called, for false representation. At least, that's how it is in the UK.
They may be telling the truth, as they see it, about some of their claims - i.e this car will make you look cool and able to attract women. They are being paid to advertise a product and whoever produced that product wants you to think it is the best.

You don't? Then why do you sit there listening to LIES?

I don't.
Adverts are there so you can make a cup of tea.

The Law of God tells us that we should not covet. Now what do you suppose is the purpose of ALL advertising you see on tv?

It is to encourage us to buy a particular brand of product, or go to a certain shop, garage or insurance firm, rather than shop around and look for what you want.
That is not the same as coveting.
Some of us need to buy clothes and food because we have an interest in being warm and staying alive.

Is it to make you content with the things that God has blessed you with?

Actually, some of it does.
I see how much some women spend on make up, designer clothes or fine wines and think "thank goodness I don't wear make up or drink."

Does it make you want to sell ALL


No. But as the Lord has not commanded us all to do that anyway, it's not a problem.

Is your tv a "good thing"? Do you think that if the Lord Jesus were here on earth today, He would sit and watch the things you watch?

Jesus ate and drank with tax collectors and sinners - so possibly.

In 2 Corinthians 6:17, the Bible says:
Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you...

I only touch the tv when I'm dusting it.

"Well, what about Christian programming?" I hear you say.

Well, what about it? Is it really Christian?

Some of it is. Not only that, it's very informative.
People have made documentaries about the history of the Bible, Bible characters and archaeological finds. They have spent time and money that most of us could never afford to spend on matters of the Christian faith.
Sure, some may do it with the attitude "did this really happen?" and their motive may be to mock. But the Lord can use anything to speak to someone, and I suspect that most people don't watch a programme and unthinkingly believe all that is presented; they think about it for themselves. It is also a talking point.
When I was at school the programme "Jesus of Nazareth" was shown over several weeks - about 2 hours a night. What is the likelihood of non Christian teenage girls sitting still for 2 hours watching a programme about Jesus? Yet many in my class did - and we talked about it the next day.

"Well, what about the news? How am I supposed to know what's going on in the world if I don't watch the 6 o'clock news?" you say.

Friend, do you really think that the 20 minutes of non-advertisement time in the 6 o'clock news is pure and objective?

We don't have advertising on the BBC.


Are the values of CBS, NBC, CNN, ABC YOUR values? Do they honor God?

No idea; don't watch them.

Get into your King James Bible,

Don't read the King James Bible - other translations, yes, but not that one.

Friend, I ask you to examine your attitude toward tv watching. Go to the Lord and ask Him what you should do about it. Listen carefully to His answer, and then if He tells you to unplug it and hide it in your closet, then DO IT!

I'm all for that.
But if the Lord were to tell me that watching the things I do on tv wasn't a problem, would you accept that - or would you find some other way of telling me what I should and shouldn't do?

God wants us to lead pure and holy lives.

And there's no reason why watching selected television programmes will hinder, or prevent, this.
 
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I watch youtube

Youtube??
You mean that place where people post "prophecies" about the 2nd coming and end times, reasons why you should avoid St Paul like the plague and films that positively mock the Christian faith?
It's o.k to watch Youtube, but TV is full of filth? Right.
 
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