The Loaded Question (Philippians 2:13)

Grip Docility said:

Philippians 2:13

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Php 2:12,13 Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed— not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence— continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God who works in you to will and to act according to his good purpose.

Salvation by Works Christians typically misconstrue "work out" to be "work for", which is not what it says. Having been saved and as such Eternally Secure, the believer works out applications of faith. It's part of the sanctification process where maturity in Christ is a function of one's cooperation with the Spirit.

Gal 2:20 I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.

Gal 5:16 So I say, live by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the sinful nature.

-57 said:

John 10:28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish. No one can snatch them out of My hand. 29My Father who has given them to Me is greater than all. No one can snatch them out of My Father’s hand.

The devil may devour the weak and lazy....but he can't snatch you from Jesus hand.

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Nope, but I can "jump" anytime I might waver in my faith.
It is incumbent on us to stay "in Christ".
The weak and lazy have taken their salvation into their own hands...to their detriment.

Grip Docility said:

Mama Cat Salvation Vs. Baby Monkey Salvation would be a good thing to look up.

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No thanks...I have read enough of man's wisdom already.

Carl Emerson said:

2 Tim 2:13

if we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He cannot deny Himself.

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Umm yes.
He remains faithful..
That also means he will faithfully punish the unrepentant for thier wickedness because they did not believe on the one he sent to listen to him and obey him.

Thank you brother!

Grip Docility said:

Philippians 2:13

My Works?
His Works?
Our Works?

Justification/Sanctification

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Here's what I think is the Scriptural answer to the question:

"For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them" (Ephesians 2:8-10).

Phil W said:

Nope, but I can "jump" anytime I might waver in my faith.
It is incumbent on us to stay "in Christ".
The weak and lazy have taken their salvation into their own hands...to their detriment.

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Who snatched the unsnatachable?

bcbsr said:

Php 2:12,13 Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed— not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence— continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God who works in you to will and to act according to his good purpose.

Salvation by Works Christians typically misconstrue "work out" to be "work for", which is not what it says. Having been saved and as such Eternally Secure, the believer works out applications of faith. It's part of the sanctification process where maturity in Christ is a function of one's cooperation with the Spirit.

Gal 2:20 I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.

Gal 5:16 So I say, live by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the sinful nature.

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One cannot "work for" to earn God's free gift, but one must work to meet the conditions God has placed upon His free gift in order to receive God's free gift.

Phil 2:8 "And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross."
Phil 2:9 "Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:"
Phil 2:10 "That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;"
Phil 2:11 "And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Phil 2:12 "Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling."
Phil 2:13 "For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure."

In verse 12, Paul begins by saying "wherefore"......wherefore as Christ was obedient (verse 8) we must also, as Christ, be obedient by working out our own salvation. (Hebrews 5:9). Those in Philippi had been obedient...."as ye have always obeyed". Their obedience earned them nothing no more than Christ's obedience earned Him anything.

"work out" means to carry out to the finish, not stop before the finish line. (2 John 1:8). Man has a role in his own salvation therefore salvation is NOT God deciding for men which men will be saved or lost. Man has free will to work out his own salvation..."God worketh in you" means God is working in those who obey His will. It does not mean God does all the work while man is idle. If God did all the work, then the Christian would be perfect in all he does, without any sin at all. God's word works in men changing, pricking man's heart (Acts 2:37) prompting man to "save thyself" (Acts 2:40) by doing God's will.

TheSeabass said:

One cannot "work for" to earn God's free gift, but one must work to meet the conditions God has placed upon His free gift in order to receive God's free gift.

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RED FLAGS all over the place pop up.

If you have to meet certain conditions the how can the gift be free?

TheSeabass said:

One cannot "work for" to earn God's free gift, but one must work to meet the conditions God has placed upon His free gift in order to receive God's free gift..

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Which is the same thing - salvation by works, as was also the position of your forefathers among the Christian sect of the Circumcision.

Grip Docility said:

Philippians 2:13

My Works?
His Works?
Our Works?

Justification/Sanctification

Skubala ...

A Brief Word Study on Σκύβαλον | Bible.org

1. Dung, (Human) Excrement
(especially in the plural, as in Philippians 3:8); or with a stronger emotive connotation (and the concomitant shock value), crap, ****. NT: Phil 3:8* (debatable; may belong under definition 2); Other: Plu. 2.352d; Alex. Aphr. Pr. 1.18; Aret. SD1.15; Artemid. Onirocr. 1.67; 2.14; Str. 14.1.37; J. BJ 5.571; 5.13.7; PFay. 119.7 (i/ii AD).

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If we do anything good it's because of God. They are then Gods works that save us. Along with his grace and love that he wants to save us.

-57 said:

RED FLAGS all over the place pop up.

If you have to meet certain conditions the how can the gift be free?

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Because it is a common every day fact that free gifts can and sometimes do come with conditions. Can one be saved without meeting the condition of having faith? Or will men be saved UNconditionally and faithless?

bcbsr said:

Which is the same thing - salvation by works, as was also the position of your forefathers among the Christian sect of the Circumcision.

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If by "salvation by works" you mean one is trying to earn the free gift of salvation, then that is a straw man.

A free gift cannot be earned, but one must meet the conditions God has placed upon His free gift and meeting the conditions do not earn the free gift.

Grip Docility said:

Free Gifts

Free:
Definition of free
(Entry 1 of 3)

1: not costing or charging anything

Gift
gift
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noun

1. 1.
   a thing given willingly to someone without payment; a present.

Dishonesty is a sin

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Where does the Bible teach that being saved will not cost a person something?

Salvation cost Christ His life, salvation will cost man to live and do as Christ's NT gospel says he should live and do whereby man cannot live anyway man wants to live. Yet this cost does not earn the free gift of salvation. David would not offer to God that which cost him nothing, 2 Samuel 24:24-25. Too many people think they can give to God that which cost them nothing, that which is no sacrifice to them but expect much in return from God. Malachi 1:13-14 God did not accept that which does not cost man, which is not a sacrifice to man.

Romans 12:1, one's life is to be a living sacrifice to God.

TheSeabass said:

Because it is a common every day fact that free gifts can and sometimes do come with conditions. Can one be saved without meeting the condition of having faith? Or will men be saved UNconditionally and faithless?

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Faith is a free gift that comes along with regeneration.