Sola Fide (Faith Alone) Sets the Record Straight

Swan7 said:

May I also be frank with the current discussion?

For me personally, I thought that if I researched the darkness in this world that I could be a light to it through God's Word. That was a complete mistake for me, as there are reasons why God pulls some people out of other religions to be a light within that circle of religion they were in before knowing Christ. In other words, we don't have to go out of our way to do this kind of research when we have and believe in the Gospel of Jesus Christ, the Word of God.
The Light is right before us and yet we miss it completely at times (stumble).

Doing this kind of research really messed me up. I was starting to have memory gaps in between what I was studying from the darkness of this world and studying God's Word. What I mean is, I would remember the wrong things according to the Bible and get mixed up that way with the truth. I also made the mistake of believing man's words without testing them first. This is actually what brought me to God at the cross in the first place. There was so much deception that I was believing by mistake. Thank God for His Grace!

Lastly with what I'm getting at is that we must have a heart for God, which is why He gave us His Word because He gave His heart (spelling puzzle fun: earth) to us first. He died so that Israel could marry Him again as He once divorced them in the OT, but He also at the same time died for all. The whole Bible is about Jesus Christ right from the beginning. That is really amazing to me!

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Jason0047 said:

To All Who Will Hear:

Most today teach a sin and still be saved gospel.
This is not the narrow way, but the wide gate path because everyone is teaching it.
Eternal Security or Belief Alone is self contradictory in regards to upholding morality, as well.
I hear OSAS proponents say that they live holy on the one hand, and then they say on the other hand that they can commit grievous sin and still be saved (Which is the opposite of holiness).

Note: OSAS Proponents differ on the amount of sin that one can commit. Some believe they can sin and still be saved a little (as long as one generally lives a holy life, but they never describe what this life is like). Other OSAS Proponents (that I have talked with) believe they can sin as much as they like and still be saved. Both messages sound similar when they preach salvation, until you probe them more about their view on sin.

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Jason0047 said:

To All Who Will Hear:

Also, believers can sometimes sin on occasion, but this is not supposed to be the norm. For Paul says we used to be sinners (Ephesians 2:2-3) (Colossians 3:5-7). John says that If a believer sins, they are supposed to confess of their sin (1 John 1:9), and forsake it (1 John 1:7, 1 John 2:1) (Also see: Proverbs 28:13).

As for the Belief Alone Proponents common false use of the works of the flesh in reference to good works:

Actually, the Bible says the works of the flesh are certain sins (See: Galatians 5:19-21).

As for the Belief Alone Proponent's mention of Humility:

It is not the same as the Bible's teaching on humility.
Again, 1 Timothy 6:3-4 teaches that being proud (the opposite of being humble) is to NOT agreeing with the words of Jesus Christ and the doctrine according to godliness.
Most Belief Alone Proponents I have encountered speak against the words of Jesus in Luke 10:25-28, Matthew 19:17-19, Matthew 5:22, Matthew 12:37, Matthew 25:31-46.

As for the Belief Alone Proponent's View on the Lord's Commandments:

Many of them are confused on this issue. They think God's commands are the Law of Moses (Which is no longer in effect in regards to salvation). Others in the Belief Alone Camp think the NT Law is in effect, but not many. But they all think that obedience to God's commands does not deal with eternal life (Which runs contrary to the words of Jesus - Luke 10:25-28, Matthew 19:17-19, and the words of their followers like John - 1 John 2:3-4, 1 John 3:15, etc.).

Many Belief Alone Proponents I have encountered have mocked the believer's walk in striving to live holy. Yet, they fail to understand that without holiness, no man shall see the Lord (Hebrews 12:14). They fail to understand that he that does righteousness is righteous (1 John 3:7).


Side Note:

Please take note that I fixed a few typos from my previous post (leaving it blank), and reposted my post again here.

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Jason0047 said:

Verses on the Error of Christians saying they cannot walk uprightly:

Jesus says,

"Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven" (Matthew 5:16).​

Jesus also says,

"You give glory to my Father when you produce a lot of fruit and therefore show that you are my disciples." (John 15:8 GW).​

And Peter says,

"Be careful to live properly among your unbelieving neighbors. Then even if they accuse you of doing wrong, they will see your honorable behavior, and they will give honor to God when he judges the world." (1 Peter 2:12 NLT).​

Paul says,

"That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;" (Philippians 2:15).​

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Jason0047 said:

. Not all sin is the same. I explained this at length with Scripture already in Post Numbers 243, and 244. Also, believers can sometimes sin on occasion, but this is not supposed to be the norm. For Paul says we used to be sinners (Ephesians 2:2-3) (Colossians 3:5-7). Peter says that If a believer sins, they are supposed to confess of their sin (1 John 1:9), and forsake it (1 John 1:7, 1 John 2:1) (Also see: Proverbs 28:13).

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Jason0047 said:

To All Those Who Will Hear:

Only those who do not know their New Testament fully will act like there is no such thing as a sin that does not lead unto death (1 John 5:17). They falsely think all sin is the same, and all sin condemns, but this is not the case. The "sin not unto death" is a believer confessing sin to the Lord that they are striving to overcome; In context to the chapter, other believers are praying for this one believer who is struggling with their sin that he or she is confessing. The other believers are hoping that their prayers will give this particular believer to have life or victory over their sin (See 1 John 5). Note: If you try to read this chapter from an OSAS or Belief Alone perspective it really does not make a whole lot of sense.

Anyways, Eternal Security Proponents or Belief Alone Proponents believe that you cannot lose salvation if you commit grievous sin (like lying, lusting, or hating, etc.). They think 1 John 1:8 is a declaration that they will always sin on some level at some point in the future (even though the verse is speaking in the present tense). So any talk of holiness is an illusion and not real because they say that if any one claims to be without sin, they are lying. Little do they realize that the verse is talking about the gnostic belief that declared that sin is an illusion, or not real, or fake. 1 John 1:10 is a warning to the brethren on the gnostic belief that said that even past sins did not exist for them. Surely no believer here is declaring that they have never sinned as per 1 John 1:10. This is why 1 John 1:8, and 1 John 1:10 are a denial of sin's existence. The Eternal Security Proponent will admit to the physical existence of sin, but they do not believe it exists for them on a spiritual level because all future sin was paid for by Jesus as a result of their belief in Jesus. Little do they realize they are violating 1 John 1:8. Because if the OSAS Proponent happens to lie, they say it is paid for by Jesus. So there is no need to worry about living holy. It is optional. Even though they will double speak and say that is necessary but not as a part of salvation. But where is the incentive to live holy if one can think they can sin and still be saved? There is none. This is why those who believe in OSAS and had thoughts of suicide went through with killing themselves because they thought that they would be saved despite their sin of suicide. So yeah. OSAS or a Belief Alone does not lead to the good fruit that many profess that it has. So do not believe them. Search the Scriptures, read and believe them plainly for what they say, and test everything with the Word of God.

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Jason0047 said:

To Whom It May Be of Concern:

I have finished in going through all of Matthew and Revelation in regards to the New Covenant Commands (and not the Old Covenant Commands). So my list for the most part is complete. It just needs fine tuning. There is a lot of addition work that needs to be done, though.

Anyways, blessings to you all in the Lord today.
It is my prayer, that those who have ears to hear and who desire to be good Bereans will be able to one day see the darkness or the duplicity taught in "Belief Alone-ism."

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Jason0047 said:

In fact, why even confess sin if future sin is forgiven you already?
It makes no sense.

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Jason0047 said:

Questions for the Eternal Security Proponent:

Do you lose your salvation if you lie?
Do you lose your salvation if you look at inappropriate content?
Do you lose your salvation if you hate?
Do you lose your salvation if you take the Lord's name in vain or you speak bad language?

How often do you think you or other Eternal Security Proponents do these kinds of sins?

Even if these grievous sins were done on occasion like once every couple of months or a year, does that mean a believer is living completely holy if they are thinking that they can commit these sins on occasion while they are saved by doing so?

Is it not possible that a believer to think that if they can sin a little and be saved that they can more easily fall into the deception of thinking that they can sin all the time (or sin more often) and be saved?

How many sins per a specific time frame does it take for a believer to commit before a believer can lose their salvation or before they discover that they were never a genuine believer at all? Is it 99 sins per week or 50 sins per month? Is it 20 sins every 6 months? Where is the dividing line between justifying a little bit of sin vs. a lot of sin?

This is the problem with Belief Alone-ism. It minimizes the dangers of the reality of sin. Jesus says that if one looks upon a woman in lust, their whole body can be cast into hell fire. Jesus says if you do not forgive, you will not be forgiven (Matthew 6:15). John says if you hate your brother, no eternal life abides in you (1 John 3:15).

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