My view is that Eve was taken from man as God said. Not sure why you refer to religious sites that apparently don't know which side is up? You can make a point and use the crank religious sites as support.
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Eve came from Adam, evolution does not allow this
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Right..and after this He said He would not drink the fruit of the vine AGAIN with us until His kingdom..correct? So why would I think He really meant it was blood? It represents His blood.
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Did He say the wine only represented His blood? Did he say the bread only represented His body? No, He said "Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life." And you keep talking about Him drinking it; you do know that we are the ones who are to drink it. That is Holy Communion.
The problem with your argument is that you tell me that you are a "bible believer" and that you "do not consider people who believe in evolution bible believers." If you are saying that I'm not a "bible believer" because I believe that evolution occurred, how can you say that you are a "bible believer" you you deny the plain meaning of the words of Jesus? Of course you are entitled to your interpretation of scripture, just as I am entitled to my interpretation.
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Not going to argue about it, sure tastes like wine to me though.Believe what you like, I think the issue is a diversion here anyhow, trying to pit Catholics against others.
It is evident enough that God never says we evolved from anything. Name one verse that says we did?
His plain words are that blood is not to be ingested. He also confirmed the wine represented the blood by calling it wine again afterwards. Since you believe science over Genesis run a test on a communion cup of wine!
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And that is the thing. It is your own view which isn't only unsupported by science and reason but also general Judeo-Christian apologetics. What you do is just ignore/dismiss these things and then tag your arguments with "bible believers" or any comment to make it look as if it is "divinely cosigned". If your views are "what God says" then why is it factually disputable by basic grade school academics and completely illogical? You are telling me God's word is against thinking?
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No, none of them do, unless you first splatter the evidences with your religion, and interpret them accordingly. You cannot test creation or the nature in the past.
So you provided not even one verse from the bible to say the world is billions of years old. Until you do, the genealogies and traditional understanding of the history of the world remain the bible timing.
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Here is the thing, I care what Jesus and Scripture say, and no more care about your religious nonsense than Jesus or the apostles did. The stories you offer about Eve having descended from animals millions of years ago remain religious tales from the crypt.
Peter and the prophets and apostles and early church did not consult your apologetics they just believed God's word. I look at the child molesting Sodom infested crypts called churches today, and the demonic utterances of the dammed that come from them and see no connection to God or Jesus or Scripture. Yes some bible believing churches are well connected, but we will not hear any of that total unbelief evo nonsense from them ever.
Genesis cannot be disputed by any school on earth, and you are simply deluded in thinkin otherwise, and could not begin to support your Eve-olution. Ha
Thinking about and believing God and what He said above all is real thinking. Swallowing demon science lies wholeheartedly and unquestioningly is more like lobotomy.
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Of course they do.
Of course we can, you say that we cant just because all point to old earth, big bang and evolution.
You say we cant just because you do not like the result, this is childish.
And you provided no verse saying that the wine is not the blood or that our body is not animal body or that we do not think in our kidneys.
Be consistent.
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It tastes like bread and wine to me too. Not sure how I am pitting Catholics vs. Protestants. I'm Lutheran, we are Protestants, and we believe that that the Body and Blood of Christ are "truly and substantially present in, with and under the forms" of consecrated bread and wine, so that communicants eat and drink both the elements and the true Body and Blood of Christ himself in the Sacrament of Holy Communion.
No, but He did say "this is my body" and "this is my blood," yet you are denying that.
No, His plain words were "Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life." And a test on wine would prove nothing. We Lutherans believe that the blood of Jesus is present in, with and under the wine. A test wouldn’t show that. Once again, you are picking and choosing what you want to believe and ignoring the plain meaning of Christ’s words.
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Descended from Animals, what are you talking about? How come you are that stubborn to actually get your facts straight?
So? You are not Peter, the prophets, or any of the 12. What apologetics would they be able to "consult" when the stuff they write became what apologists study? Even this part is you grasping for anything you can think of and it's all just silly. You also are making your own legitimacy based on completely nothing but your stubbornness.
But if "God's word" is completely refuted by academics, evidence, and common sense then it's not God word. You are just tagging God to your lack of knowledge and giving it a false credibility that you yourself want it to have.
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I can't argue with blind faith or dispel ignorance when you are vague...you only believe those things oppose Genesis. No.
Maybe start a thread on that, as I already pointed out it can be tested and Jesus referred to is as wine. You simply are unable to get the spirit of what is said.
Eve and Adam were made directly by God. They were brought animals to name. It is foolish to teach that they came out of animals. Not funny.
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You do believe that you share a relative with the flatworm and cockroach, right? Be honest.
Hey, apologetics needs to consult US bible believers or remain dark garbage.
---Or the academic nutballs are not as acedemic as they thought! They are religious con artists in drag.
God speaks, we listen. For others, God speaks they are ashamed and butcher the words to fit their real religion.
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Like to test it? Should be inexpensive. Heck, ask a mosquito! Ha.
Yes, this is what it represented. If one noticed, His body was holding the flipping cup!! For the win...
Now back to your bizarre cult of Eve-olution!
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Is this what you understand from the Single-Cell theory or the "Universal Ancestor"? Not only is this description of yours highly an uneducated one but why would you mock a "belief" that actually has scientific studies on it? Since all life did come from God, and God could have created life scientifically, then wouldn't the "universal ancestor" theory still make sense with theism since we all originated from God?
I hope you are actually trolling.
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He said it was his blood. His word is enough for me. Like 4:12 “Do not put the Lord your God to the test.”
Please tell me why you want to ignore the plain meaning of what Jesus said?
No bizarre cult. It is an allegory. I have said that multiple times. You apparently don’t get it.
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Cut the pretense. The theory of evolution has a common ancestor - and the flatworm, for example, is said to be one of the oldest living relatives!!!! Haha
"
Flatworms Are Oldest Living Ancestors To Those Of Us With Right And Left Sides, Researchers Report In Science"
Flatworms Are Oldest Living Ancestors To Those Of Us With Right And Left Sides, Researchers Report In Science
Hahahaha Behold the Eve-olution cult!
No...since God gave us the way He did do it in a book confirmed by Jesus.
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Except when His body held that cup with wine it WAS a communion! Except He AFTERWARDS referred to what was just done and drank as wine!
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