Did the event of 1948 Israel fulfill any Bible prophecy?

Did event of Israel 1948 fulfill any Bible prophecy?


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The issue of "foreigners" within the group of Israelites was brought up in this thread, here: Israel, Abraham, and Modern Times

This passage was brought up:

Isaiah 56 ~

Salvation for Foreigners


This is what the LORD says:

“Maintain justice and do what is right,

for My salvation is coming soon,

and My righteousness will be revealed.

Blessed is the man who does this,

and the son of man who holds it fast,

who keeps the Sabbath without profaning it,

and keeps his hand from doing any evil.”

Let no foreigner who has joined himself to the LORD say,

“The LORD will utterly exclude me from His people.”


And let the eunuch not say,

“I am but a dry tree.”

For this is what the LORD says:

“To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths,

who choose what pleases Me

and hold fast to My covenant—

I will give them, in My house and within My walls,

a memorial and a name

better than that of sons and daughters.

I will give them an everlasting name

that will not be cut off.

And the foreigners who join themselves to the LORD

to minister to Him,

to love the name of the LORD,

and to be His servants—

all who keep the Sabbath without profaning it

and who hold fast to My covenant


I will bring them to My holy mountain

and make them joyful in My house of prayer.

Their burnt offerings and sacrifices

will be accepted on My altar,

for My house will be called a house of prayer

for all the nations.”

Thus declares the Lord GOD,

who gathers the dispersed of Israel:

I will gather to them still others

besides those already gathered.”


.....as well as these facts (brought up by Claninja):



Salmon (tribe of Judah) and Rahab(Canaanite) had Boaz

Boaz (mixed half tribe of Judah, half Canaanite) and Ruth (Moabite) had Obed

Obed (half Moabite, quarter Canaanite, and quarter Jewish ;) ) fathered Jesse

and Jesse fathered David.

Right here, we can see that while Obed could trace his lineage through Judah, he was barely of the DNA of Israel.

Matthew 1:5
Salmon was the father of Boaz by Rahab, Boaz the father of Obed by Ruth,

Both Rahab and Ruth, who were not born Israelites, had faith and were thus included into Israel and the promises of God, as God used their lineage to bring forth the Messiah.

Rahab is even listed with the heroes of faith, who did not receive what was promised, because God, through Christ, had planned something better for her (them and us). ~ quote from Claninja
 
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This is a metaphor. Certainly there are Jews, Greeks, males and females. You cannot 'spiritualize' away meanings intended to be understood literally.

As Mkgal1 puts it very nicely Did the event of 1948 Israel fulfill any Bible prophecy?.

Jews were God's chose people, gentiles were not. Men were over women in authority. Freeman had better position than slaves. However, under Christ, in the new covenant, all are one, all are equal.

Have the Jews been reconciled to Christ,

Paul, a jew, includes himself as reconciled to Christ.

2 Corinthians 5:18 All this is from God, who reconciled US to Himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation:

many Jews were reconciled to Christ through the book of Acts.
Acts 2:41 Those who embraced his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to the believers that day.

Acts 4:4 But many of those who had heard the word believed, and the number of the men came to about five thousand.

or to the house of Israel?

Hosea 1:10 and Hosea 2:23 are about the house of Israel being reconciled to God and gathered together with house Judah. Paul has this being fulfilled with gentiles being included with the jews in the vessels of mercy

Romans 9:24-26 even us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles? As indeed he says in Hosea,“Those who were not my people I will call ‘my people,’and her who was not beloved I will call ‘beloved.’” “And in the very place where it was said to them, ‘You are not my people,’
there they will be called ‘sons of the living God.’”

Christ died for everyone, but has everyone accepted his sacrifice?

While universalism is a hopeful thought, I'm not sure everyone will accept it, both Jew and gentile alike.

Have the Jews?

The book of acts records many Jews coming to Christ.
 
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This is a metaphor. Certainly there are Jews, Greeks, males and females. You cannot 'spiritualize' away meanings intended to be understood literally.
Wait a minute.

I just re-read this post (which is referring to this passage):

Galatians 3:28-29 There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed and heirs according to the promise.

.....are you expecting that to only be fulfilled when you can see that there's literally no distinction between males and females (putting the issue of Jew/Greek aside)? Are you, possibly, attributing that to be assigned to us only after we die a physical death? As in "when we get to heaven"?

I'm confused by this post. Metaphors are NOT "literal" (and you say this is a metaphor) - but you seem to be implying this needs to be taken literally. How so ???​
 
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So they will be punished and exiled a 3rd time.......once by the Babylonians, the Romans and then ? Then it will be 3 strikes and outta there.........
EXACTLY as prophesied in Ezekiel 21:14!
Three swings of the sword of slaughter against Judah.....Babylon, Rome and now by the Lord Himself; Ezekiel 21:1-7, Zephaniah 1:14-18, Jeremiah 10:18

But a few Messianic Jews will survive in Jerusalem; Isaiah 29:1-4, and they will join with their brethren in the new nation of Beulah.

Isaiah 62:1-2a For Zion’s sake, I shall not keep silent – until her victory shines forth, like the sunrise, her victory like a blazing torch. The nations will see your victory and their rulers your glory.

Isaiah prophesies for the sake of Zion; the holy Land. There will be a great victory, ‘like a blazing torch’ - a CME sunstrike over the attacking enemies. Isaiah 30:25-30 & 66:15-16, Psalms 11:4-6 The world will see it and be amazed. Jeremiah 33:6-16

Isaiah 62:2b-5 You will receive a new name, the Lord Himself will give it. You will be like a glorious crown in His hand. No more are you forsaken and your Land desolate. You will be called ‘Hephzibah’ and the Land, ‘Beulah’. For the Lord will delight in you and it will be like a marriage: He will rejoice over you as a bridegroom over his bride. ‘Hephzibah’ = My delight is in her. ‘Beulah’ = married. Isaiah 49:18

The Lord’s people, Christian Israelites will be gathered and settled into their heritage, all of the holy Land, in the new nation of Beulah. Wonderful promises to them of fertility and wealth. They will live in justice, peace and security, as He intended people to be.


Isaiah 62:6-7 Jerusalem, on your walls, I have posted watchmen, they will call out: You that invoke the Name of the Lord, do not rest and give no rest to the Lord until He makes Jerusalem a praise throughout the world.
The Hebrew word for ‘watchmen’, is ‘natzar’, the root word for Nazarene; literally all Christian believers. WE must not rest or let the Lord forget His people and His Land. Keep praying for our redemption and restoration. Ezekiel 36:24-28, Isaiah 52:7-9

Isaiah 62:8-9 The Lord has sworn to never again allow foreigners to take the produce of the Land, but you who give praises to Him will eat the grain and drink the wine, within My sacred courts.
After the great clearance in the Middle East, only His righteous people will be allowed to live there, those who love the Lord and obey Him. Isaiah 66:20-21, Ezekiel 20:38

Isaiah 62:10-11 Pass through the gates – clear a road for My people. Build a highway, remove the rocks and make a signal to guide the people. Proclaim to the ends of the earth, say to the offspring of Zion: See your deliverance comes, His reward is with Him and He will make recompense.
The great gathering of the Lord’s people – the second Exodus, will happen in the same manner as the first Exodus. Leaders [shepherds] will arise to guide the flock, in the spirit of Moses and Elijah. Jeremiah 3:14-15, Isaiah 58:11, Isaiah 43:5-7, Micah 4:6, Isaiah 49:9-13, Isaiah 51:3, Zechariah 8:11-12, Isaiah 40:1-5, Ezekiel 11:17

Isaiah 62:12 They will be called ‘The Holy people, the Redeemed of God’ and Jerusalem will be called ‘sought after, the City no longer forsaken’.
The Lord’s faithful Christian people: living in the Holy Land of Beulah, as He created them to live, being a ‘light to the nations’ and witnesses to His salvation. They will send out 144,000 missionaries to every people group, to preach the good news of the coming Kingdom of Jesus. Isaiah 66:19, 1 Peter 2:9-10, Acts 2:39, Jeremiah 31:23-34

Joel 2:23-27 People of Zion, rejoice – your God will recompense you for the years that others have ravaged your Land. You will again have plenty in your own Land. Then you will know that I am present in Israel and that I and no other am your God.
We will know the Lord is present by His deeds. Just as it was at the Exodus. This all must be before the Return of Jesus for His Millennial reign.
 
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Wait a minute.

I just re-read this post (which is referring to this passage):

Galatians 3:28-29 There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed and heirs according to the promise.

.....are you expecting that to only be fulfilled when you can see that there's literally no distinction between males and females (putting the issue of Jew/Greek aside)? Are you, possibly, attributing that to be assigned to us only after we die a physical death? As in "when we get to heaven"?

I'm confused by this post. Metaphors are NOT "literal" (and you say this is a metaphor) - but you seem to be implying this needs to be taken literally. ???​

We are one spiritually in Christ. We don't become some homogeneous, gender neutral being. We also retain all that we are individually and ethnically. We don't become heavenly clones.

If we were actually one as in the same why would we have different spiritual gifts?
 
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That's one school of thought - however.....I believe that when Jesus said this, He meant it:

Matthew 24:34; Mark 13:30; and Luke 21:32 ~ Jesus said, “Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.”

There are two generations in his discourse. The generation that he is talking to, and the other that he is talking about.
 
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We are one spiritually in Christ. We don't become some homogeneous, gender neutral being. We also retain all that we are individually and ethnically. We don't become heavenly clones.

If we were actually one as in the same why would we have different spiritual gifts?
Okay, but equality and a lack of familial/racist/tribal and gender privilege doesn't mean we all become "some homogeneous, gender-neutral being". I didn't say "one in the same".

What does "being one spiritually in Christ" mean to you (when it comes to Jews and Gentiles)?
 
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I believe it's been mentioned already in this thread - that all the way back to Genesis, it was NEVER about "pure bloodlines" or literal "birthrights":


Genesis 17:12 ~ Generation after generation, every male must be circumcised when he is eight days old, including those born in your household and those purchased from a foreigner—even those who are not your offspring.

Have you studied the subject of the birthright promise?
 
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Okay, but equality and a lack of familial/racist/tribal privilege doesn't mean we all become "some homogeneous, gender-neutral being". I didn't say "one in the same".

What does "being one spiritually in Christ" mean to you (when it comes to Jews and Gentiles)?

Of one mind, spiritually.
 
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The generation that he is talking to, and the other that he is talking about.
Right here - in these passages?

Matthew 24:34; Mark 13:30; and Luke 21:32 ~ Jesus said, “Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.”

Matthew 10:23 ~ When they persecute you in one town, flee to the next. Truly I tell you, you will not reach all the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.
 
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I'll understand no such thing.

The Jews who are there today can not be said to have been "brought back", for they have no relationship to the pre-desolation Hebrews who were expelled 2 millennia ago.

They are Not related religiously, not related politically and not related genetically (beyond the fact that EVERYONE ON EARTH TODAY has Abrahamic/Jacobian DNA running through their veins.)

They are no more descended from the Biblical Hebrew peoples than you and I are.

Somebody has to be or the grain has fallen to the earth. When God says he will save a 'remnant' I believe he has. The children of Israel were of mixed ethnicity from the beginning, and intermarried within and without Israel, so how can they have any recognizable genetic signature today?

If God wants to resurrect a tribe of Israel he can start with a few that he has protected. I believe that is what happened in Northern Europe, Britain, and Scandanavia. The principle peoples are descendants of the lost tribes.
 
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The last days refer to the period of time beginning with the death of Christ until the end.

The writer of Hebrews cites the Last days as being already underway during Christ's earthly ministry, before His death. (Hebrews 1:1-2)

The end time is the very end of the last days, the tribulation period and the return of Christ.

And what about the "Last Hour"?
When did/does that start and How long does it last?
 
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The writer of Hebrews cites the Last days as being already underway during Christ's earthly ministry, before His death. (Hebrews 1:1-2)

The writer is referring the end of the former days.
 
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We are one spiritually in Christ. We don't become some homogeneous, gender neutral being. We also retain all that we are individually and ethnically. We don't become heavenly clones.

If we were actually one as in the same why would we have different spiritual gifts?

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Okay, but equality and a lack of familial/racist/tribal privilege doesn't mean we all become "some homogeneous, gender-neutral being". I didn't say "one in the same".

What does "being one spiritually in Christ" mean to you (when it comes to Jews and Gentiles)?

Of one mind, spiritually.
I'm having difficulty following your argument, because originally you responded to Galatians 3:28-29 being posted with this:

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This is a metaphor. Certainly there are Jews, Greeks, males and females. You cannot 'spiritualize' away meanings intended to be understood literally.

.....and it seems it is you who are "spiritualizing it away".
 
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Matthew 10:23 ~ When they persecute you in one town, flee to the next. Truly I tell you, you will not reach all the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.

This interesting. Jesus knew that the "towns of Israel" were many and far away, thus the statement. They couldn't possibly have reached all the towns of the Israelites in their lifetime, although many tried. He may have been playing once again to their lack of understanding about his, and their, ministry.
 
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I'm having difficulty following your argument, because originally you responded to Galatians 3:28-29 being posted with this:



.....and it seems it is you who are "spiritualizing it away".

I meant the birthright promises cannot be spiritualized away. They are literal promises that must be kept.
 
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The children of Israel were of mixed ethnicity from the beginning, and intermarried within and without Israel, so how can they have any recognizable genetic signature today?

I meant the birthright promises cannot be spiritualized away. They are literal promises that must be kept.
Do you not see that as a contradiction?
 
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This interesting. Jesus knew that the "towns of Israel" were many and far away, thus the statement. They couldn't possibly have reached all the towns of the Israelites in their lifetime, although many tried. He may have been playing once again to their lack of understanding about his, and their, ministry.
The end wasn't their lifetime - it was the coming of the Son of Man (a reference to the prophecy of Daniel).
 
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I meant the birthright promises cannot be spiritualized away. They are literal promises that must be kept.
I believe these were fulfilled in Jesus' birth. "Line of Judah"; "Son of David"; "Son of Abraham"; "Root of Jesse".
 
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The writer is referring the end of the former days.

???
What former days?

When the writer of Hebrews says “these last days”, he is encompassing the time of his writing as well as the time of Christ’s earthly ministry decades earlier… They are the same “these last days” both before and after the crucifixion.

And what of the “last hour”
When was/is that?
 
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