My Sanitary Challenge

AV1611VET · May 14, 2019

VirOptimus said:
No, I really dont.

Men did write the books in the bible. Ghost(s) dont even exist.

Wow -- solid aurum.

What you need: "No, I really dont."

Why you need it: "Men did write the books in the bible. Ghost(s) dont even exist."

Your second sentence contradicts your first.

AV1611VET · May 14, 2019

Jimmy D said:
I know, it's literally unbelievable, but...

what have magically fast growing olive trees got to do with this "clean up" of debris you seem to have made up?

If my OP can't give you a clue, then I have a feeling the damage is worse than I thought.

VirOptimus · May 14, 2019

AV1611VET said:
Wow -- solid aurum.

What you need: "No, I really dont."

Why you need it: "Men did write the books in the bible. Ghost(s) dont even exist."

Your second sentence contradicts your first.

No, the usual assertion is that the men who wrote the bible was "inspired" by something supernatural, to claim that the actual author is so is something else entirely and not something that can be supported by data or evidence.

AV1611VET · May 14, 2019

VirOptimus said:
No, the usual assertion ...

Just for something else to ridicule, we call those usual assertions "basic doctrine."

VirOptimus said:
... is that the men who wrote the bible was "inspired" by something supernatural,

Ya ... it's called verbal plenary inspiration.

VirOptimus said:
... to claim that the actual author is so is something else entirely and not something that can be supported by data or evidence.

Only if you filter out:

1. Martyrs.
2. Churches and other edifices, including Christian schools.
3. Iconography & statuary, including symbols, drawings, and artwork.
4. The Bible and other books written about our LORD, including tracts.
5. Songs, hymns and carols venerating Jesus Christ.
6. Holidays such as Christmas and Easter.
7. Debates, programs, cartoons, and specials on TV.
8. Time divided into BC/AD.
9. Mottos such as IN GOD WE TRUST, and ONE NATION UNDER GOD, and ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL, and ENDOWED BY THEIR CREATOR.
10. Resistance by unbelievers who invest time and money to eradicate God from public view, including changing greetings such as MERRY CHRISTMAS to HAPPY HOLIDAYS and SEASONS GREETINGS.

... because others have a similar list.

VirOptimus · May 14, 2019

AV1611VET said:
Just for something else to ridicule, we call those usual assertions "basic doctrine."Ya ... it's called verbal plenary inspiration.Only if you filter out:

1. Martyrs.
2. Churches and other edifices, including Christian schools.
3. Iconography & statuary, including symbols, drawings, and artwork.
4. The Bible and other books written about our LORD, including tracts.
5. Songs, hymns and carols venerating Jesus Christ.
6. Holidays such as Christmas and Easter.
7. Debates, programs, cartoons, and specials on TV.
8. Time divided into BC/AD.
9. Mottos such as IN GOD WE TRUST, and ONE NATION UNDER GOD, and ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL, and ENDOWED BY THEIR CREATOR.
10. Resistance by unbelievers who invest time and money to eradicate God from public view, including changing greetings such as MERRY CHRISTMAS to HAPPY HOLIDAYS and SEASONS GREETINGS.

... because others have a similar list.

What a non sequitur.

Did men or a supernatural entity do the actual mechanical writing of the books in the bible?

Jimmy D · May 14, 2019

AV1611VET said:
If my OP can't give you a clue, then I have a feeling the damage is worse than I thought.

Oh, it's some sort of guessing game we're playing is it?

Was it Mr Plum, in the library, with the candlestick?

AV1611VET · May 14, 2019

VirOptimus said:
Did men or a supernatural entity do the actual mechanical writing of the books in the bible?

Here's some friendly advice, Vir:

Take a course in Amanuensis 101.

You'd like me to take a course in Basic Physics, wouldn't you?

Any secretary knows that what she writes in her own handwriting carries the authority of her boss, not her.

And any recipient of a formal letter knows it is from the boss, not the secretary.

AV1611VET · May 14, 2019

Jimmy D said:
Oh, it's some sort of guessing game we're playing is it?

Was it Mr Plum, in the library, with the candlestick?

You know as well as I do that a dove is not going to bring back an olive leaf from that mess in the OP.

Jimmy D · May 14, 2019

AV1611VET said:
You know as well as I do that a dove is not going to bring back an olive leaf from that mess in the OP.

I'd agree with that... and it would be yet another inconsistency in the tale that leads me to conclusion that such a thing never actually happened.

Having to pile on more and more ad-hoc magical explanations isn't really convincing I'm afraid.

VirOptimus · May 14, 2019

AV1611VET said:
Here's some friendly advice, Vir:

Take a course in Amanuensis 101.

You'd like me to take a course in Basic Physics, wouldn't you?

Any secretary knows that what she writes in her own handwriting carries the authority of her boss, not her.

And any recipient of a formal letter knows it is from the boss, not the secretary.

You could just have said that yes, men wrote the bible.

So I was right.

Your belief is irrelevant.

AV1611VET · May 14, 2019

Jimmy D said:
Having to pile on more and more ad-hoc magical explanations isn't really convincing I'm afraid.

And here I thought evolutionists were so good at filling in missing links.

AV1611VET · May 14, 2019

VirOptimus said:
You could just have said that yes, men wrote the bible.

I'm not going to do that though, unless it's appropos.

1 Thessalonians 2:13 For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.

VirOptimus · May 14, 2019

AV1611VET said:
I'm not going to do that though, unless it's appropos.

1 Thessalonians 2:13 For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.

Yes, you seem incapable of admitting error.

Also - quoting the bible to an atheist? What on earth do you think that will accomplish?

AV1611VET · May 14, 2019

VirOptimus said:
Also - quoting the bible to an atheist? What on earth do you think that will accomplish?

I don't know yet.

Isaiah 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

Hopefully the Crown of Righteousness (the Soul Winner's Crown).

We'll see.

VirOptimus · May 14, 2019

AV1611VET said:
I don't know yet.

Isaiah 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

Hopefully the Crown of Righteousness (the Soul Winner's Crown).

We'll see.

Really? Fyi I dont read them.

AV1611VET · May 14, 2019

VirOptimus said:
Really? Fyi I dont read them.

You just did.

Strathos · May 14, 2019

AV1611VET said:
Did you miss this?

Genesis 8:11a And the dove came in to him in the evening; and, lo, in her mouth was an olive leaf pluckt off:

How did that happen?

Even a local flood can't explain that.

I don't see why not.

VirOptimus · May 14, 2019

AV1611VET said:
You just did.

Err... no.

Jimmy D · May 14, 2019

AV1611VET said:
And here I thought evolutionists were so good at filling in missing links.

I'm not an evolutionist, I like rainbows though.

AV1611VET · May 14, 2019

Jimmy D said:
I'm not an evolutionist,

What's this then?

Jimmy D said:
The fact that we don't know how life started (natural chemical processes, divine intervention etc) does not mean that we can disregard the evidence for common descent and the fact that evolution occurs.

I'll admit though, I'm not an evolutionist either, but I will admit microevolution occurs.

I suspect you're going to tell me you deny the [-ist] suffix though.

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