Ok - is abortion a sin? POLL

SPF that’s a heart breaking decision every woman must decide for herself. And of course all babies do become of equal value once they are born into humanity. I’m feeling some sick. I guess we should all hug and thank every rapist for impregnating us with the gift of life. Actually I’m rather shattered and confused . Perhaps the ancestors were right. There is no difference between darkness and light. SPF it’s very late here God bless and may you and your family a nice day

Kate30 said:

And of course all babies do become of equal value once they are born into humanity.

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Why do you discriminate against the unborn? What is it about birth that magically bestows moral worth and value?

We know scientifically that a new human being comes into existence at fertilization. We know Biblically that all human beings are created in the image of God and possess inherent moral worth and value.

Our moral worth and value as human beings has absolutely nothing to do with how we came into existence. Our moral worth and value is rooted in our being created in the image of God. All human beings are equally created in the image of God. I find it shocking and disturbing that you would assert that the unborn child that came into existence from rape is less morally valuable to God than the unborn child that came into existence from loving parents. What kind of a view of God do you actually hold that you would be driven to think such a thing?

My wife and I have had the pleasure of fostering many children, the majority have been newborns. They have come from all sorts of backgrounds, pretty much all of them broken. Yet, they are all equally precious to God and equally created in His image.

Mountainmanbob said:

...................I would think that many women that are raped and have the child can then adopt it out to a loving family and still later feel good about the fact that they had given life?

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Absolutely.

Of course the easy way out is to kill the little person rather than having to go to the trouble of nurturing him or her for a few months.

For a Christian with the Spirit of God to guide them this should really be a no-brainer.

Kate30 said:

Is abortion a sin. All depends on the reasons for the abortion. If the mother’s life is jeopardy due to the pregnancy. Well what than. Perhaps the mother has two other children. Is she to risk the well being of the entire family unit to a unknown future by giving up her own life? Rape is another issue when it’s comes to abortion as well. Who really wants the memory of some sadistic animal who has just violated and impregnated you with his seed. What greater humiliation to than have to raise his child and to have live with that memory staring you in the face everyday. Yes there be some grounds for abortion, some may know of some more . But apart from those mentioned above I’m a great believer in Pro life.

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Kate, sorry you are fooling yourself, and by your words above you are actually promoting abortion and woe to those who promote that which kills/aborts a life.

There is NO reason for ABORTION no matter what! Here is why if any woman or girl gets pregnant due to the worse of circumstances it is still the will of God that baby is to be born that something good may come out of it.

Kate, Hate the sin of the sad reasons that you gave above but don't hate the baby, don't kill the baby for any reason. Amen

Pan De Vida

We dont think about the people in this. Just shove the guilt and condemn and then pat our self on the back with righteousness..

"moral" keeps getting toss out. As if we define its meaning. As if GOD gave us authority over others. Get over it..you only have all power over Satan and his angels and demons. Unless you or I are involved with that girl woman and that baby. Then we have no say.

You can stick with being deceived...well as if your sin ..that little WHITE lie or lustful thoughts or any other sin..is OK! But.. abortion..ooh God what.. HATES that more? See the world that does not know Christ has been judge ALREADY! What are you doing? A GOD now are you? Know the heart do you? Care do you?

Care? Lets see how many people passed you today? Did you share Christ with them? YOU might be the only JESUS they ever see. There are tens of thousands and MILLIONS... dont you care about them? Do I eve care?

See what we do here Christ does not. He NEVER shoves your SIN in your face.. NEVER EVER makes you in any way feel GUILTY and NEVER condemns you. We read it so many times "For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him"

The sweet sweet Holy Spirit.. does not do what some do here. For He convicts the world of SIN.. and that SIN is the world and not knowing JESUS Christ. Get over it.. Christ already died for EVERY SIN ANYONE did has done or will do.

And.. we WILL answer for how we do not show mercy grace forgiveness.. as HE DID show us

What part of THOU SHALT NOT KILL do you find ambiguous? A baby is alive from the moment of conception. Deliberately killing him/her is clearly murder.

I have known Christians who have had to go through the awful position of a complication with a pregnancy which would mean that the mother was unlikely to survive the pregnancy and childbirth. Even though they were pro-life, with the likelihood that neither the mother or child would survive they went ahead with the abortion. I have nothing but sympathy for them.

Mountainmanbob said:

Up top the mountain we believe abortion to be a sin.

I have been to Christian abortion recovery classes and they are not a pretty thing.

M-Bob

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I voted yes, and it might depend on how we define abortion, but there are instances where an infant has died and an abortion procedure is the means to save the mother's life. I am pro-life, but sympathetic towards women who have been violated sexually and become pregnant with their abusers child. This is a difficult situation also, but not enough to sway me towards pro-choice. In America, just in my short lifetime alone, I have observed great declines among the general public on the value of human life. We're told everyone has a price, everyone can be bought, it seems our whole existence is wrapped up in what we can or cannot do to such an extent our identity or worth is tied to the almighty dollar. Planned Parenthood receives bank loads of Benjamin's.

Kate30 said:

Is abortion a sin. All depends on the reasons for the abortion. If the mother’s life is jeopardy due to the pregnancy. Well what than. Perhaps the mother has two other children. Is she to risk the well being of the entire family unit to a unknown future by giving up her own life? Rape is another issue when it’s comes to abortion as well. Who really wants the memory of some sadistic animal who has just violated and impregnated you with his seed. What greater humiliation to than have to raise his child and to have live with that memory staring you in the face everyday. Yes there be some grounds for abortion, some may know of some more . But apart from those mentioned above I’m a great believer in Pro life.

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It comes down to whether or not you really have faith that God can handle the situation. You are referring mostly to Ectopic pregnancies in which the mother's life is greatly at risk? Maybe not, but that's a common reason Christian women will also get abortions.

The problem is, there have been experiments done in which the fetus was successfully transplanted from the tubes to the uterus and the baby grew as normal as any other baby. They've known this is possible for almost a hundred years! So at the very least I would try that, but no hospital will ever tell you about that or probably be willing to try it, either. Either way the baby lives or dies, but at least that way the baby has one more chance at life.

There was a doctor years ago who had a woman come to him with an ectopic pregnancy. The couple had been trying to have a child for a long time with no success, and now that she was pregnant, they were devastated to learn that it was an ectopic pregnancy. The doctor had compassion on them and decided to try the procedure I mentioned above. And it succeeded!

And rape? The baby is not guilt of the rape! That is NOT a reason to have an abortion. It's still murder. At the very least, give the child up for adoption if you can't bear to look at them (which I'm not sure would last forever regardless)! Isn't it possible for a mother to love a child for themselves, regardless of what happened?

Kate30 said:

Is abortion a sin. All depends on the reasons for the abortion.

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No, it doesn't. How a person is conceived does not justify killing them.

If the mother’s life is jeopardy due to the pregnancy.

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If the mother's life is in jeopardy, we have hospitals that deal with that. One does not go to Planned Parenthood when their life is in danger. Hospitals can save the lives of both mother and child and can terminate pregnancies when necessary, but those are not abortions. There is a world of difference between abortion and a medically terminated pregnancy.

Perhaps the mother has two other children. Is she to risk the well being of the entire family unit to a unknown future by giving up her own life?

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Again, that is not adequate justification for murdering a baby.

Rape is another issue when it’s comes to abortion as well. Who really wants the memory of some sadistic animal who has just violated and impregnated you with his seed. What greater humiliation to than have to raise his child and to have live with that memory staring you in the face everyday. Yes there be some grounds for abortion, some may know of some more . But apart from those mentioned above I’m a great believer in Pro life.

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In America 70% of rape victims carry their child to full term and keep their baby, rather than give it up to adoption. A baby does not deserve to be murdered under any circumstance.

please say a prayer for a young lady who is considering a termination in the coming week.
please pray she will have the strength to make the right decision and come to know the Lord Jesus as her Saviour

SPF said:

Why do you discriminate against the unborn? What is it about birth that magically bestows moral worth and value?

We know scientifically that a new human being comes into existence at fertilization. We know Biblically that all human beings are created in the image of God and possess inherent moral worth and value.

Our moral worth and value as human beings has absolutely nothing to do with how we came into existence. Our moral worth and value is rooted in our being created in the image of God. All human beings are equally created in the image of God. I find it shocking and disturbing that you would assert that the unborn child that came into existence from rape is less morally valuable to God than the unborn child that came into existence from loving parents. What kind of a view of God do you actually hold that you would be driven to think such a thing?

My wife and I have had the pleasure of fostering many children, the majority have been newborns. They have come from all sorts of backgrounds, pretty much all of them broken. Yet, they are all equally precious to God and equally created in His image.

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SPF I’m sure yourself along with your wife and family do many wonderful things for the Lord. I’m also sure the Lord shall continue to bless you in that. As to the matter of rape we simply disagree. I won’t judge any rape victim who has gone through the ordeal of being impregnated that way. One will also still love them dearly in whatever they choose to do There has been many replies by others on this post to me also. I’m sorry but the number of posts has grown steadily while at work today. Far too many for me to be able to reply to all. But I have read what you all have said and respect your view points with what you believe.

Mountainmanbob said:

We don't judge anyone now beckoning their conscience is another matter.
M-Bob

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M-Bob that’s really nice to know

Kate30 said:

As to the matter of rape we simply disagree

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Well I think it's a shame after everything I've pointed out about what your belief means that you're still holding onto it so solidly.

The bottom line is that the moral worth and value of all human beings stem from the fact that we are created in the image of God. All human beings, regardless of how they entered the world possess the same inherent moral worth and value. You did not possess more moral worth and value in your mother's womb than me because your mom wasn't raped.

It really is tragic that at the very least all Christians don't think it important to safeguard and protect the lives of our most innocent. I would think that this is one of the few issues where we would all share a common belief. I think it's mainly just ignorance and secular culture penetrating our minds that leads to such a disconnect.