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I am a college freshman. I was approached by a really nice student a few months ago who was conducting a survey about how different Christians interpreted the Bible. She invited me to attend her Bible study, and I did.

Their purpose in this Bible study is to not focus as much on what each denomination says about the Bible, but instead of assuming or speculating, only interpret the Bible for what it says. We analyze scripture and compare verses in one part of the Bible to another, drawing parallels about recurring parables (like how anytime the Bible mentions weapons and tools, it is talking about the Word, and how anytime animals are mentioned, they represent people/humanity).

My Christian faith is not as strong as I want it to be. I've grown up in a very Baptist family, with very strong beliefs about particular interpretations. These beliefs are so strong that I am often left believing in certain things just because my family believes, as opposed to knowing why they believe. This has caused me to question a lot of things and struggle with maintaining a strong relationship with God as I've gotten older. Because of this, finding a Bible study that finally showed me concrete evidence of what the Bible really means was truly a relief for me.

Weeks and months went by, and I'd attend a Bible study each week. Each lesson became more difficult for me to believe, and yet there was evidence in the Bible (at least according to how it is interpreted). We began by talking about how every Old Testament prophecy was fulfilled already (even the ones often interpreted by many Christians to be prophecies for after the New Testament), such as the prophecy that the Lord will come to Earth with fire...because fire isn't real fire, but instead the Word. This means that when Jesus returns to Earth again, he will not come in an apocalyptic way, but instead through the teachings of his Word. Ehh, maybe. Then as the Bible studies passed, the interpretations were more and more controversial. The Flood wasn't not a worldwide flood, but instead only in that region (the volume of water on the Earth today could not cover the whole surface that it would cover the highest mountains, but would mathematically cover that whole region; records of ancient Chinese civilizations from that time period hold no history of a flood; it is not fair to the people living in other parts of the world that were not introduced to the Word of God, were kangaroos on the ark, too? etc.). This made sense, so I went with it. Next, we talked about how the first sin, leading to the Fall, is sexual, not the consumption of actual fruit (tree of life = Adam, tree of knowledge of good and evil = Eve, eating the fruit = having sex, that is why they were ashamed of being naked, that is why Eve/women experience pains in childbirth = she became pregnant with Cain from this, and he created murder). This also made sense, because we found scriptures across the Bible that referred to Adam, and mankind, as being a "tree of life". Then we talked about how the Trinity is actually three separate beings, and the Holy Spirit is a female, mother figure (wisdom/Holy Spirit referred to as a "she", Creation story says "create mankind in OUR image, Holy Spirit is referred to with words like "wonderful counselor", "comforter", etc.).

These go against a lot of the teachings that I am used to. While I am hesitant to believe some of them, because I am so rooted in the Baptist faith, I shouldn't turn a blind eye to other interpretations and assume that everything about my faith is 100% correct. I have not mentioned the specific teachings to my parents, because their undying Baptist beliefs will immediately cause them to shut off my explanations and say it's wrong (I already tried to tell the Flood story to my dad, without saying where I heard it from, and he said no way), so I feel like they would be biased. (That's why I am posting here).

Yesterday, my Bible study friends invited me to go to church with them. Turns out, it's a house church where they and a group of friends go and watch a recording of a church service in Korea. The preacher's photos were on the walls of the room, and the service only sang songs that the man had written himself. (He, and my Bible study friends, believe that you are to be the bride of God. In the Old Testament, you are his servant, in the New Testament, you are his child, and in the Completed Testament/modern-day, you are his bride. Not sexually, but with how much you love him, and he loves humanity...Adam and Eve were created for this purpose, but their sin caused them to Fall from their higher rank all the way to the servant-level. So this preacher wrote his own songs to talk about being God's bride instead of his child, which are what other Christian songs are about.) The church members sing about/pray to the Holy Trinity (okay, so God's Trinity).

This preacher's message talked about how the Resurrection of Jesus in the Bible was not a physical resurrection, but spiritual. Any encounters people had with Jesus after his death was through dreams and visions, and that there is historical evidence that Jesus's body was discovered, labeled Jesus of Nazareth, along with Mary, Joseph, and Martha (10 in total). This I do not fully understand, because what about the tomb being empty? What about the holes in his hands and in his side? Did the disciples only see him and touch him in dreams and visions (supposedly why he was able to get in the room when the doors were locked, because he was in spiritual form).

Another thing that confused me was how much they seemed to focus on the preacher himself. They celebrated him and his works (building a monument/temple from rocks, healing people...they said he healed people, not God through his prayers...etc.), because they were celebrating the 1-year anniversary since he made it out of prison (10-year sentence from being prosecuted for his beliefs). He talks about how God has shared these new beliefs/interpretations to him as he fasts, and he first discovered God when he was young and starving with his family in the woods, and that he was chosen by God to lead this new Christian movement. The way that these people looked up to him so much...it was concerning. It was as if they were putting him up too high on a pedestal that he should not be on. (He's still a person, no matter if God has chosen him or not. That's the point of God choosing people in the Bible--Abraham, David, Paul, Peter, etc.--they are still people who make mistakes.

After the service, I went home and researched his church. It is called Providence, led and founded by Jung Myung-seok (About Pastor Jung Myung Seok). I quickly found many websites (practically all of my search results) calling his church a cult. I even watched a 20-minute video where people who used to be a part of Providence are telling their stories about how their faith was ruined, and that he did not go to prison for religious persecution, but instead sexual assault and rape. It said that he recruits beautiful women through secular organizations and Bible studies, and he would have them send him letters and their photos in prison, which he posted on his walls and stroke them. They would also pray to photos of him and Jesus side-by-side.

I am hesitant to believe everything the Internet tells me, because people lie, and if he was truly persecuted for his faith, and people are afraid of change, so it would make sense that they would try to find/create dirt on him, but I don't want to ignore these claims, either. While the Bible studies make sense, they are a drastic change to my Baptist beliefs. Slap on top of that, and I do not think I am a strong enough Christian to be able to tell what is right and wrong when it comes to interpreting the Bible properly. I just want to strengthen my faith, but I am torn. If this is a cult, I want out. But these were my first (and only, really) college friends, and they are so kind and love God so much. It is difficult to believe that they are just recruiting me for their cult, but that is the whole point of cults...you fool people into joining them.

What should I do? Should I back out now? Should I just ghost my friends, or tell them I'm not coming back? (If I tell them I'm not coming back, should I tell them why?) Should I try to talk to my parents anyway, despite their bias? Should I keep going to Bible study and just ask more questions to try and figure out which is true? (Do I have the spiritual capacity to do such a thing?) Should I confront my friends about being a cult?

I know this is super-long, but I really appreciate you reading it! I am really struggling here.
 

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If they truly deny a physical resurrection, you should run for the hills and don't look back.

1 John 4:3 "And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world."
 
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Yes cut off contact immediately and never return. Because they are a cult they will make this very difficult for you. They will pressure you, attempt to visit you, and possibly harass you in other ways. Avoid these people and don't engage them in conversation or debate. Just tell them you're not interested in returning or talking about it. Hopefully they will eventually leave you alone but you can always try to get campus authorities involved if you feel harassed.
 
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I am a college freshman. I was approached by a really nice student a few months ago who was conducting a survey about how different Christians interpreted the Bible. She invited me to attend her Bible study, and I did.

Their purpose in this Bible study is to not focus as much on what each denomination says about the Bible, but instead of assuming or speculating, only interpret the Bible for what it says. We analyze scripture and compare verses in one part of the Bible to another, drawing parallels about recurring parables (like how anytime the Bible mentions weapons and tools, it is talking about the Word, and how anytime animals are mentioned, they represent people/humanity).

My Christian faith is not as strong as I want it to be. I've grown up in a very Baptist family, with very strong beliefs about particular interpretations. These beliefs are so strong that I am often left believing in certain things just because my family believes, as opposed to knowing why they believe. This has caused me to question a lot of things and struggle with maintaining a strong relationship with God as I've gotten older. Because of this, finding a Bible study that finally showed me concrete evidence of what the Bible really means was truly a relief for me.

Weeks and months went by, and I'd attend a Bible study each week. Each lesson became more difficult for me to believe, and yet there was evidence in the Bible (at least according to how it is interpreted). We began by talking about how every Old Testament prophecy was fulfilled already (even the ones often interpreted by many Christians to be prophecies for after the New Testament), such as the prophecy that the Lord will come to Earth with fire...because fire isn't real fire, but instead the Word. This means that when Jesus returns to Earth again, he will not come in an apocalyptic way, but instead through the teachings of his Word. Ehh, maybe. Then as the Bible studies passed, the interpretations were more and more controversial. The Flood wasn't not a worldwide flood, but instead only in that region (the volume of water on the Earth today could not cover the whole surface that it would cover the highest mountains, but would mathematically cover that whole region; records of ancient Chinese civilizations from that time period hold no history of a flood; it is not fair to the people living in other parts of the world that were not introduced to the Word of God, were kangaroos on the ark, too? etc.). This made sense, so I went with it. Next, we talked about how the first sin, leading to the Fall, is sexual, not the consumption of actual fruit (tree of life = Adam, tree of knowledge of good and evil = Eve, eating the fruit = having sex, that is why they were ashamed of being naked, that is why Eve/women experience pains in childbirth = she became pregnant with Cain from this, and he created murder). This also made sense, because we found scriptures across the Bible that referred to Adam, and mankind, as being a "tree of life". Then we talked about how the Trinity is actually three separate beings, and the Holy Spirit is a female, mother figure (wisdom/Holy Spirit referred to as a "she", Creation story says "create mankind in OUR image, Holy Spirit is referred to with words like "wonderful counselor", "comforter", etc.).

These go against a lot of the teachings that I am used to. While I am hesitant to believe some of them, because I am so rooted in the Baptist faith, I shouldn't turn a blind eye to other interpretations and assume that everything about my faith is 100% correct. I have not mentioned the specific teachings to my parents, because their undying Baptist beliefs will immediately cause them to shut off my explanations and say it's wrong (I already tried to tell the Flood story to my dad, without saying where I heard it from, and he said no way), so I feel like they would be biased. (That's why I am posting here).

Yesterday, my Bible study friends invited me to go to church with them. Turns out, it's a house church where they and a group of friends go and watch a recording of a church service in Korea. The preacher's photos were on the walls of the room, and the service only sang songs that the man had written himself. (He, and my Bible study friends, believe that you are to be the bride of God. In the Old Testament, you are his servant, in the New Testament, you are his child, and in the Completed Testament/modern-day, you are his bride. Not sexually, but with how much you love him, and he loves humanity...Adam and Eve were created for this purpose, but their sin caused them to Fall from their higher rank all the way to the servant-level. So this preacher wrote his own songs to talk about being God's bride instead of his child, which are what other Christian songs are about.) The church members sing about/pray to the Holy Trinity (okay, so God's Trinity).

This preacher's message talked about how the Resurrection of Jesus in the Bible was not a physical resurrection, but spiritual. Any encounters people had with Jesus after his death was through dreams and visions, and that there is historical evidence that Jesus's body was discovered, labeled Jesus of Nazareth, along with Mary, Joseph, and Martha (10 in total). This I do not fully understand, because what about the tomb being empty? What about the holes in his hands and in his side? Did the disciples only see him and touch him in dreams and visions (supposedly why he was able to get in the room when the doors were locked, because he was in spiritual form).

Another thing that confused me was how much they seemed to focus on the preacher himself. They celebrated him and his works (building a monument/temple from rocks, healing people...they said he healed people, not God through his prayers...etc.), because they were celebrating the 1-year anniversary since he made it out of prison (10-year sentence from being prosecuted for his beliefs). He talks about how God has shared these new beliefs/interpretations to him as he fasts, and he first discovered God when he was young and starving with his family in the woods, and that he was chosen by God to lead this new Christian movement. The way that these people looked up to him so much...it was concerning. It was as if they were putting him up too high on a pedestal that he should not be on. (He's still a person, no matter if God has chosen him or not. That's the point of God choosing people in the Bible--Abraham, David, Paul, Peter, etc.--they are still people who make mistakes.

After the service, I went home and researched his church. It is called Providence, led and founded by Jung Myung-seok (About Pastor Jung Myung Seok). I quickly found many websites (practically all of my search results) calling his church a cult. I even watched a 20-minute video where people who used to be a part of Providence are telling their stories about how their faith was ruined, and that he did not go to prison for religious persecution, but instead sexual assault and rape. It said that he recruits beautiful women through secular organizations and Bible studies, and he would have them send him letters and their photos in prison, which he posted on his walls and stroke them. They would also pray to photos of him and Jesus side-by-side.

I am hesitant to believe everything the Internet tells me, because people lie, and if he was truly persecuted for his faith, and people are afraid of change, so it would make sense that they would try to find/create dirt on him, but I don't want to ignore these claims, either. While the Bible studies make sense, they are a drastic change to my Baptist beliefs. Slap on top of that, and I do not think I am a strong enough Christian to be able to tell what is right and wrong when it comes to interpreting the Bible properly. I just want to strengthen my faith, but I am torn. If this is a cult, I want out. But these were my first (and only, really) college friends, and they are so kind and love God so much. It is difficult to believe that they are just recruiting me for their cult, but that is the whole point of cults...you fool people into joining them.

What should I do? Should I back out now? Should I just ghost my friends, or tell them I'm not coming back? (If I tell them I'm not coming back, should I tell them why?) Should I try to talk to my parents anyway, despite their bias? Should I keep going to Bible study and just ask more questions to try and figure out which is true? (Do I have the spiritual capacity to do such a thing?) Should I confront my friends about being a cult?

I know this is super-long, but I really appreciate you reading it! I am really struggling here.

Since you seem to be asking for advice, my advice is to run as fast as you can and as far as you can from that bible study group.
 
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I am a college freshman. I was approached by a really nice student a few months ago who was conducting a survey about how different Christians interpreted the Bible. She invited me to attend her Bible study, and I did.

Their purpose in this Bible study is to not focus as much on what each denomination says about the Bible, but instead of assuming or speculating, only interpret the Bible for what it says. We analyze scripture and compare verses in one part of the Bible to another, drawing parallels about recurring parables (like how anytime the Bible mentions weapons and tools, it is talking about the Word, and how anytime animals are mentioned, they represent people/humanity).

My Christian faith is not as strong as I want it to be. I've grown up in a very Baptist family, with very strong beliefs about particular interpretations. These beliefs are so strong that I am often left believing in certain things just because my family believes, as opposed to knowing why they believe. This has caused me to question a lot of things and struggle with maintaining a strong relationship with God as I've gotten older. Because of this, finding a Bible study that finally showed me concrete evidence of what the Bible really means was truly a relief for me.

Weeks and months went by, and I'd attend a Bible study each week. Each lesson became more difficult for me to believe, and yet there was evidence in the Bible (at least according to how it is interpreted). We began by talking about how every Old Testament prophecy was fulfilled already (even the ones often interpreted by many Christians to be prophecies for after the New Testament), such as the prophecy that the Lord will come to Earth with fire...because fire isn't real fire, but instead the Word. This means that when Jesus returns to Earth again, he will not come in an apocalyptic way, but instead through the teachings of his Word. Ehh, maybe. Then as the Bible studies passed, the interpretations were more and more controversial. The Flood wasn't not a worldwide flood, but instead only in that region (the volume of water on the Earth today could not cover the whole surface that it would cover the highest mountains, but would mathematically cover that whole region; records of ancient Chinese civilizations from that time period hold no history of a flood; it is not fair to the people living in other parts of the world that were not introduced to the Word of God, were kangaroos on the ark, too? etc.). This made sense, so I went with it. Next, we talked about how the first sin, leading to the Fall, is sexual, not the consumption of actual fruit (tree of life = Adam, tree of knowledge of good and evil = Eve, eating the fruit = having sex, that is why they were ashamed of being naked, that is why Eve/women experience pains in childbirth = she became pregnant with Cain from this, and he created murder). This also made sense, because we found scriptures across the Bible that referred to Adam, and mankind, as being a "tree of life". Then we talked about how the Trinity is actually three separate beings, and the Holy Spirit is a female, mother figure (wisdom/Holy Spirit referred to as a "she", Creation story says "create mankind in OUR image, Holy Spirit is referred to with words like "wonderful counselor", "comforter", etc.).

These go against a lot of the teachings that I am used to. While I am hesitant to believe some of them, because I am so rooted in the Baptist faith, I shouldn't turn a blind eye to other interpretations and assume that everything about my faith is 100% correct. I have not mentioned the specific teachings to my parents, because their undying Baptist beliefs will immediately cause them to shut off my explanations and say it's wrong (I already tried to tell the Flood story to my dad, without saying where I heard it from, and he said no way), so I feel like they would be biased. (That's why I am posting here).

Yesterday, my Bible study friends invited me to go to church with them. Turns out, it's a house church where they and a group of friends go and watch a recording of a church service in Korea. The preacher's photos were on the walls of the room, and the service only sang songs that the man had written himself. (He, and my Bible study friends, believe that you are to be the bride of God. In the Old Testament, you are his servant, in the New Testament, you are his child, and in the Completed Testament/modern-day, you are his bride. Not sexually, but with how much you love him, and he loves humanity...Adam and Eve were created for this purpose, but their sin caused them to Fall from their higher rank all the way to the servant-level. So this preacher wrote his own songs to talk about being God's bride instead of his child, which are what other Christian songs are about.) The church members sing about/pray to the Holy Trinity (okay, so God's Trinity).

This preacher's message talked about how the Resurrection of Jesus in the Bible was not a physical resurrection, but spiritual. Any encounters people had with Jesus after his death was through dreams and visions, and that there is historical evidence that Jesus's body was discovered, labeled Jesus of Nazareth, along with Mary, Joseph, and Martha (10 in total). This I do not fully understand, because what about the tomb being empty? What about the holes in his hands and in his side? Did the disciples only see him and touch him in dreams and visions (supposedly why he was able to get in the room when the doors were locked, because he was in spiritual form).

Another thing that confused me was how much they seemed to focus on the preacher himself. They celebrated him and his works (building a monument/temple from rocks, healing people...they said he healed people, not God through his prayers...etc.), because they were celebrating the 1-year anniversary since he made it out of prison (10-year sentence from being prosecuted for his beliefs). He talks about how God has shared these new beliefs/interpretations to him as he fasts, and he first discovered God when he was young and starving with his family in the woods, and that he was chosen by God to lead this new Christian movement. The way that these people looked up to him so much...it was concerning. It was as if they were putting him up too high on a pedestal that he should not be on. (He's still a person, no matter if God has chosen him or not. That's the point of God choosing people in the Bible--Abraham, David, Paul, Peter, etc.--they are still people who make mistakes.

After the service, I went home and researched his church. It is called Providence, led and founded by Jung Myung-seok (About Pastor Jung Myung Seok). I quickly found many websites (practically all of my search results) calling his church a cult. I even watched a 20-minute video where people who used to be a part of Providence are telling their stories about how their faith was ruined, and that he did not go to prison for religious persecution, but instead sexual assault and rape. It said that he recruits beautiful women through secular organizations and Bible studies, and he would have them send him letters and their photos in prison, which he posted on his walls and stroke them. They would also pray to photos of him and Jesus side-by-side.

I am hesitant to believe everything the Internet tells me, because people lie, and if he was truly persecuted for his faith, and people are afraid of change, so it would make sense that they would try to find/create dirt on him, but I don't want to ignore these claims, either. While the Bible studies make sense, they are a drastic change to my Baptist beliefs. Slap on top of that, and I do not think I am a strong enough Christian to be able to tell what is right and wrong when it comes to interpreting the Bible properly. I just want to strengthen my faith, but I am torn. If this is a cult, I want out. But these were my first (and only, really) college friends, and they are so kind and love God so much. It is difficult to believe that they are just recruiting me for their cult, but that is the whole point of cults...you fool people into joining them.

What should I do? Should I back out now? Should I just ghost my friends, or tell them I'm not coming back? (If I tell them I'm not coming back, should I tell them why?) Should I try to talk to my parents anyway, despite their bias? Should I keep going to Bible study and just ask more questions to try and figure out which is true? (Do I have the spiritual capacity to do such a thing?) Should I confront my friends about being a cult?

I know this is super-long, but I really appreciate you reading it! I am really struggling here.
and how anytime animals are mentioned, they represent people/humanity
What are they basing this on?

How can "animals" represent people/humanity?

The bottom line is, that if this is true, "animals" are made in the "image of God" and/or that man is an "animal", and therefore God is an "animal" if man is made in His image?

That's why i asked what they are basing the quote above, on.
 
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that he was chosen by God to lead this new Christian movement.

If this is a cult, I want out. But these were my first (and only, really) college friends, and they are so kind and love God so much. It is difficult to believe that they are just recruiting me for their cult, but that is the whole point of cults...you fool people into joining them.
As others have already posted, you should distance yourself from these people. Your instincts are good - this IS a cult (and you're also right about how they recruit people - it's by being so likeable and friendly).
 
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I would have nothing to do with them. First of all, the focus of any Bible study should be the Lord Jesus Christ and His completed work on our behalf, not all the minutia of various prophecies. Secondly, absorbing prophetic interpretations should be done at a pace that is comfortable to you, so you can make sure it resonates in your heart. Otherwise you are being indoctrinated. That they deny the physical resurrection is a deal-breaker, period. And the adulation of the pastor is completely unacceptable. I would get out immediately and work on your own relationship with the Lord.
 
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Red flags: Denying the bodily resurrection of Jesus, denying the Trinity, and false teaching about the fall of man and sex.
Yellow flags: The centrality of this "pastor" - pictures, listening to only his sermons, singing songs that only he wrote, and what he allegedly did to get himself in prison.

This definitely sounds like a heretical group. Fortunately, there are campus ministries that are either Baptist or have similar views to the Baptists on the red flag issues I mentioned. Baptist Student Union/Christian Challenge, Navigators, Intervarsity, and Cru are all worthy of checking out.
 
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I am a college freshman. I was approached by a really nice student a few months ago who was conducting a survey about how different Christians interpreted the Bible. She invited me to attend her Bible study, and I did.

Their purpose in this Bible study is to not focus as much on what each denomination says about the Bible, but instead of assuming or speculating, only interpret the Bible for what it says. We analyze scripture and compare verses in one part of the Bible to another, drawing parallels about recurring parables (like how anytime the Bible mentions weapons and tools, it is talking about the Word, and how anytime animals are mentioned, they represent people/humanity).

My Christian faith is not as strong as I want it to be. I've grown up in a very Baptist family, with very strong beliefs about particular interpretations. These beliefs are so strong that I am often left believing in certain things just because my family believes, as opposed to knowing why they believe. This has caused me to question a lot of things and struggle with maintaining a strong relationship with God as I've gotten older. Because of this, finding a Bible study that finally showed me concrete evidence of what the Bible really means was truly a relief for me.

Weeks and months went by, and I'd attend a Bible study each week. Each lesson became more difficult for me to believe, and yet there was evidence in the Bible (at least according to how it is interpreted). We began by talking about how every Old Testament prophecy was fulfilled already (even the ones often interpreted by many Christians to be prophecies for after the New Testament), such as the prophecy that the Lord will come to Earth with fire...because fire isn't real fire, but instead the Word. This means that when Jesus returns to Earth again, he will not come in an apocalyptic way, but instead through the teachings of his Word. Ehh, maybe. Then as the Bible studies passed, the interpretations were more and more controversial. The Flood wasn't not a worldwide flood, but instead only in that region (the volume of water on the Earth today could not cover the whole surface that it would cover the highest mountains, but would mathematically cover that whole region; records of ancient Chinese civilizations from that time period hold no history of a flood; it is not fair to the people living in other parts of the world that were not introduced to the Word of God, were kangaroos on the ark, too? etc.). This made sense, so I went with it. Next, we talked about how the first sin, leading to the Fall, is sexual, not the consumption of actual fruit (tree of life = Adam, tree of knowledge of good and evil = Eve, eating the fruit = having sex, that is why they were ashamed of being naked, that is why Eve/women experience pains in childbirth = she became pregnant with Cain from this, and he created murder). This also made sense, because we found scriptures across the Bible that referred to Adam, and mankind, as being a "tree of life". Then we talked about how the Trinity is actually three separate beings, and the Holy Spirit is a female, mother figure (wisdom/Holy Spirit referred to as a "she", Creation story says "create mankind in OUR image, Holy Spirit is referred to with words like "wonderful counselor", "comforter", etc.).

These go against a lot of the teachings that I am used to. While I am hesitant to believe some of them, because I am so rooted in the Baptist faith, I shouldn't turn a blind eye to other interpretations and assume that everything about my faith is 100% correct. I have not mentioned the specific teachings to my parents, because their undying Baptist beliefs will immediately cause them to shut off my explanations and say it's wrong (I already tried to tell the Flood story to my dad, without saying where I heard it from, and he said no way), so I feel like they would be biased. (That's why I am posting here).

Yesterday, my Bible study friends invited me to go to church with them. Turns out, it's a house church where they and a group of friends go and watch a recording of a church service in Korea. The preacher's photos were on the walls of the room, and the service only sang songs that the man had written himself. (He, and my Bible study friends, believe that you are to be the bride of God. In the Old Testament, you are his servant, in the New Testament, you are his child, and in the Completed Testament/modern-day, you are his bride. Not sexually, but with how much you love him, and he loves humanity...Adam and Eve were created for this purpose, but their sin caused them to Fall from their higher rank all the way to the servant-level. So this preacher wrote his own songs to talk about being God's bride instead of his child, which are what other Christian songs are about.) The church members sing about/pray to the Holy Trinity (okay, so God's Trinity).

This preacher's message talked about how the Resurrection of Jesus in the Bible was not a physical resurrection, but spiritual. Any encounters people had with Jesus after his death was through dreams and visions, and that there is historical evidence that Jesus's body was discovered, labeled Jesus of Nazareth, along with Mary, Joseph, and Martha (10 in total). This I do not fully understand, because what about the tomb being empty? What about the holes in his hands and in his side? Did the disciples only see him and touch him in dreams and visions (supposedly why he was able to get in the room when the doors were locked, because he was in spiritual form).

Another thing that confused me was how much they seemed to focus on the preacher himself. They celebrated him and his works (building a monument/temple from rocks, healing people...they said he healed people, not God through his prayers...etc.), because they were celebrating the 1-year anniversary since he made it out of prison (10-year sentence from being prosecuted for his beliefs). He talks about how God has shared these new beliefs/interpretations to him as he fasts, and he first discovered God when he was young and starving with his family in the woods, and that he was chosen by God to lead this new Christian movement. The way that these people looked up to him so much...it was concerning. It was as if they were putting him up too high on a pedestal that he should not be on. (He's still a person, no matter if God has chosen him or not. That's the point of God choosing people in the Bible--Abraham, David, Paul, Peter, etc.--they are still people who make mistakes.

After the service, I went home and researched his church. It is called Providence, led and founded by Jung Myung-seok (About Pastor Jung Myung Seok). I quickly found many websites (practically all of my search results) calling his church a cult. I even watched a 20-minute video where people who used to be a part of Providence are telling their stories about how their faith was ruined, and that he did not go to prison for religious persecution, but instead sexual assault and rape. It said that he recruits beautiful women through secular organizations and Bible studies, and he would have them send him letters and their photos in prison, which he posted on his walls and stroke them. They would also pray to photos of him and Jesus side-by-side.

I am hesitant to believe everything the Internet tells me, because people lie, and if he was truly persecuted for his faith, and people are afraid of change, so it would make sense that they would try to find/create dirt on him, but I don't want to ignore these claims, either. While the Bible studies make sense, they are a drastic change to my Baptist beliefs. Slap on top of that, and I do not think I am a strong enough Christian to be able to tell what is right and wrong when it comes to interpreting the Bible properly. I just want to strengthen my faith, but I am torn. If this is a cult, I want out. But these were my first (and only, really) college friends, and they are so kind and love God so much. It is difficult to believe that they are just recruiting me for their cult, but that is the whole point of cults...you fool people into joining them.

What should I do? Should I back out now? Should I just ghost my friends, or tell them I'm not coming back? (If I tell them I'm not coming back, should I tell them why?) Should I try to talk to my parents anyway, despite their bias? Should I keep going to Bible study and just ask more questions to try and figure out which is true? (Do I have the spiritual capacity to do such a thing?) Should I confront my friends about being a cult?

I know this is super-long, but I really appreciate you reading it! I am really struggling here.
It is wise of you to seek counsel from others and kudos to you for doing your own research as well. As I read your account, numerous red flags about what they believe went up. I could name them but for the sake of brevity, I'll cite just one - they DENY JESUS' PHYSICAL RESURRECTION. The veracity of the gospel message is based on Jesus' resurrection. Jesus proved he was the Son of God and died for our sins by physically being resurrected from the grave. That is how we can have confidence that the Bible is true and the gospel is true. If Jesus was not physically resurrected, then his testimony was false; he would be a liar or a lunatic and all who believe in Him are deceived.
My advice is run; don't walk away from this group. They may harass you but you remain steadfast. In the meantime, you may want to understand why you should believe what you were taught about the faith. In college, I came to faith by reading Josh McDowell's "More Than A Carpenter." It's a simple to read but excellent book on the defense of the Christian faith.
 
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I think it's best to separate. But don't address the doctrinal differences. I don't advocate deception but in this instance it's best to be less forthcoming. Tell them you need to focus more on your studies. That's something they can relate to and it may not arouse suspicion.

Oftentimes they're trained to combat disagreement and refute your discomfort. Your constancy thus far may not sound alarms and you'll be able to slip away without harassment.
 
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I am a college freshman. I was approached by a really nice student a few months ago who was conducting a survey about how different Christians interpreted the Bible. She invited me to attend her Bible study, and I did.

Their purpose in this Bible study is to not focus as much on what each denomination says about the Bible, but instead of assuming or speculating, only interpret the Bible for what it says. We analyze scripture and compare verses in one part of the Bible to another, drawing parallels about recurring parables (like how anytime the Bible mentions weapons and tools, it is talking about the Word, and how anytime animals are mentioned, they represent people/humanity).

My Christian faith is not as strong as I want it to be. I've grown up in a very Baptist family, with very strong beliefs about particular interpretations. These beliefs are so strong that I am often left believing in certain things just because my family believes, as opposed to knowing why they believe. This has caused me to question a lot of things and struggle with maintaining a strong relationship with God as I've gotten older. Because of this, finding a Bible study that finally showed me concrete evidence of what the Bible really means was truly a relief for me.

Weeks and months went by, and I'd attend a Bible study each week. Each lesson became more difficult for me to believe, and yet there was evidence in the Bible (at least according to how it is interpreted). We began by talking about how every Old Testament prophecy was fulfilled already (even the ones often interpreted by many Christians to be prophecies for after the New Testament), such as the prophecy that the Lord will come to Earth with fire...because fire isn't real fire, but instead the Word. This means that when Jesus returns to Earth again, he will not come in an apocalyptic way, but instead through the teachings of his Word. Ehh, maybe. Then as the Bible studies passed, the interpretations were more and more controversial. The Flood wasn't not a worldwide flood, but instead only in that region (the volume of water on the Earth today could not cover the whole surface that it would cover the highest mountains, but would mathematically cover that whole region; records of ancient Chinese civilizations from that time period hold no history of a flood; it is not fair to the people living in other parts of the world that were not introduced to the Word of God, were kangaroos on the ark, too? etc.). This made sense, so I went with it. Next, we talked about how the first sin, leading to the Fall, is sexual, not the consumption of actual fruit (tree of life = Adam, tree of knowledge of good and evil = Eve, eating the fruit = having sex, that is why they were ashamed of being naked, that is why Eve/women experience pains in childbirth = she became pregnant with Cain from this, and he created murder). This also made sense, because we found scriptures across the Bible that referred to Adam, and mankind, as being a "tree of life". Then we talked about how the Trinity is actually three separate beings, and the Holy Spirit is a female, mother figure (wisdom/Holy Spirit referred to as a "she", Creation story says "create mankind in OUR image, Holy Spirit is referred to with words like "wonderful counselor", "comforter", etc.).

These go against a lot of the teachings that I am used to. While I am hesitant to believe some of them, because I am so rooted in the Baptist faith, I shouldn't turn a blind eye to other interpretations and assume that everything about my faith is 100% correct. I have not mentioned the specific teachings to my parents, because their undying Baptist beliefs will immediately cause them to shut off my explanations and say it's wrong (I already tried to tell the Flood story to my dad, without saying where I heard it from, and he said no way), so I feel like they would be biased. (That's why I am posting here).

Yesterday, my Bible study friends invited me to go to church with them. Turns out, it's a house church where they and a group of friends go and watch a recording of a church service in Korea. The preacher's photos were on the walls of the room, and the service only sang songs that the man had written himself. (He, and my Bible study friends, believe that you are to be the bride of God. In the Old Testament, you are his servant, in the New Testament, you are his child, and in the Completed Testament/modern-day, you are his bride. Not sexually, but with how much you love him, and he loves humanity...Adam and Eve were created for this purpose, but their sin caused them to Fall from their higher rank all the way to the servant-level. So this preacher wrote his own songs to talk about being God's bride instead of his child, which are what other Christian songs are about.) The church members sing about/pray to the Holy Trinity (okay, so God's Trinity).

This preacher's message talked about how the Resurrection of Jesus in the Bible was not a physical resurrection, but spiritual. Any encounters people had with Jesus after his death was through dreams and visions, and that there is historical evidence that Jesus's body was discovered, labeled Jesus of Nazareth, along with Mary, Joseph, and Martha (10 in total). This I do not fully understand, because what about the tomb being empty? What about the holes in his hands and in his side? Did the disciples only see him and touch him in dreams and visions (supposedly why he was able to get in the room when the doors were locked, because he was in spiritual form).

Another thing that confused me was how much they seemed to focus on the preacher himself. They celebrated him and his works (building a monument/temple from rocks, healing people...they said he healed people, not God through his prayers...etc.), because they were celebrating the 1-year anniversary since he made it out of prison (10-year sentence from being prosecuted for his beliefs). He talks about how God has shared these new beliefs/interpretations to him as he fasts, and he first discovered God when he was young and starving with his family in the woods, and that he was chosen by God to lead this new Christian movement. The way that these people looked up to him so much...it was concerning. It was as if they were putting him up too high on a pedestal that he should not be on. (He's still a person, no matter if God has chosen him or not. That's the point of God choosing people in the Bible--Abraham, David, Paul, Peter, etc.--they are still people who make mistakes.

After the service, I went home and researched his church. It is called Providence, led and founded by Jung Myung-seok (About Pastor Jung Myung Seok). I quickly found many websites (practically all of my search results) calling his church a cult. I even watched a 20-minute video where people who used to be a part of Providence are telling their stories about how their faith was ruined, and that he did not go to prison for religious persecution, but instead sexual assault and rape. It said that he recruits beautiful women through secular organizations and Bible studies, and he would have them send him letters and their photos in prison, which he posted on his walls and stroke them. They would also pray to photos of him and Jesus side-by-side.

I am hesitant to believe everything the Internet tells me, because people lie, and if he was truly persecuted for his faith, and people are afraid of change, so it would make sense that they would try to find/create dirt on him, but I don't want to ignore these claims, either. While the Bible studies make sense, they are a drastic change to my Baptist beliefs. Slap on top of that, and I do not think I am a strong enough Christian to be able to tell what is right and wrong when it comes to interpreting the Bible properly. I just want to strengthen my faith, but I am torn. If this is a cult, I want out. But these were my first (and only, really) college friends, and they are so kind and love God so much. It is difficult to believe that they are just recruiting me for their cult, but that is the whole point of cults...you fool people into joining them.

What should I do? Should I back out now? Should I just ghost my friends, or tell them I'm not coming back? (If I tell them I'm not coming back, should I tell them why?) Should I try to talk to my parents anyway, despite their bias? Should I keep going to Bible study and just ask more questions to try and figure out which is true? (Do I have the spiritual capacity to do such a thing?) Should I confront my friends about being a cult?

I know this is super-long, but I really appreciate you reading it! I am really struggling here.

Call them a cult ... or call them SEVERELY misled, but they are not teaching Gods word and do not participate with this group or these types of groups.

Study Gods Word for yourself and no matter what church, bible study, internet video or whatever/wherever teachings may come from ... measure the "teachings" with the Word of God yourself ... and yes ... the Lord will reveal His truth to you through His Word. You will be given more and more light (truth) as you study.

There are many many counterfeit teachings and the only way to know a counterfeit is to compare teachings with the Word of God. Take time to study Gods Word.

Always before studying Gods Word ask Him for His Holy Spirit to lead you in truth.

God Bless.
 
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I am a college freshman. I was approached by a really nice student a few months ago who was conducting a survey about how different Christians interpreted the Bible. She invited me to attend her Bible study, and I did.

What should I do? Should I back out now? Should I just ghost my friends, or tell them I'm not coming back? (If I tell them I'm not coming back, should I tell them why?) Should I try to talk to my parents anyway, despite their bias? Should I keep going to Bible study and just ask more questions to try and figure out which is true? (Do I have the spiritual capacity to do such a thing?) Should I confront my friends about being a cult?

I know this is super-long, but I really appreciate you reading it! I am really struggling here.
Run. You can tell them you won't be back while running away, but don't even look back. Don't break stride to give them a chance to rope you back in. So many red flags. Run.

Note that you are getting people from across the Christian theological spectrum telling you this.
 
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It is a cult and you should leave. You are not strong enough to stay there and battle it out with them. Tell your friends why you are leaving ONLY if you are strong enough not to be persuaded to come back. A Bible study should be about understanding what the author of the text is communicating based on historical culture, literary genre, grammar and semantics. This is the very thing that is used in Biblical Scholarship. When you have a person who is teaching something about the text that is not in the text, or the historical backdrop you have a cult leader.

These cult members interweave their own musings with real critiques to give you a false sense of authority. For example, there is actually no way to tell how large the flood was because the word for earth can also mean land, and the word for mountain can also mean hill. They mix stuff like that in so that you don't question the cult leaders own channeled information.
 
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I have recommended Precepts in the past and I think it would be good fit for several reasons. There's a standard curriculum. I have the leader guides and I know what they're following. I've sat in several classes and the instruction is sound. They offer in-person, online, and additional training around the country for further study or leadership.

Kay has bible study classes on Lightsource. She goes through bible line by line. I think it's important to take your time. The challenge with some groups is you're subject to their interpretations and I believe in allowing the text and the Holy Spirit to speak to you. I would encourage prayer before reading/studying and asking the Lord to provide you with His spirit of counsel, knowledge, wisdom and understanding.

God bless.
 
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I'd never heard of this guy/this cult - but looked up his name (as you did). He's a former Moonie. Have you seen this TedTalk from another former Moonie? You're really wise to have noticed all the signs when you did.

This is one article I found on him and his cult: Sex, cults and the bizarre world of Providence leader Jeong Myeong-seok


Diane Benscoter talks about how she joined the Moonies -- and stayed for five long years.
 
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I hate to sound like a broken record, but I have to say I agree with those who advise you to stay far away from that group.

It is good to consider different points of view and to study the Bible independently. Yet they seem to be leading you along a course of limiting the ability of the Bible to speak direct to your heart. Many things in the Bible are symbolic, but they seem to treat it as having hidden knowledge that can be found only by deciphering a secret code of symbols. There is a Greek term for what they seem to be doing, "gnosticism", which means basically "the way of knowledge".

I hope you will examine the doctrines you have been taught, and be willing to change your mind about some of them if you find a different doctrine stated in the plain words of the Bible, backed up with multiple repetitions, and confirmed by the Holy Spirit.

We do learn about Jesus by reading language developed by humanity, and we're not likely to learn much unless we put some degree of trust in others. But ultimately it is the Holy Spirit who should confirm doctrines for you, not an academic study. May God bless you, you seem to have enough discernment to understand there is a problem here. I hope you will spend some time just reading the simple message of the Bible, and praying about it. There are many symbols in the Bible, and as you advance in Christianity understanding them can enrich your studies. A good one to start with is "The Lamb who takes away the sins of the World". But please focus on the simple messages first. "I am the way, and the truth, and the life". "He is not here, He is risen".
 
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Praise God for giving you unease and discernment.

I recently saw an old interview of Steve Hassan who was pulled into the Moonies abut escaped many long years later. He had to go through several years of deprogramming, and wrote a book about it: "Release the Bonds". I was so fascinated with his story of their methods and how hard it was to deprogram that I purchased his book.

I'd recommend watching the Leah Remini series on Scientology. It opens your eyes to cultic tactics - if anything walks like a cult and quacks like a cult - RUN!! A cult will steal years of your life and cause untold pain to you and your family.

Again, I'm praising God that you started questioning, and for giving you discernment.
 
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I am a college freshman. I was approached by a really nice student a few months ago who was conducting a survey about how different Christians interpreted the Bible. She invited me to attend her Bible study, and I did.

Their purpose in this Bible study is to not focus as much on what each denomination says about the Bible, but instead of assuming or speculating, only interpret the Bible for what it says. We analyze scripture and compare verses in one part of the Bible to another, drawing parallels about recurring parables (like how anytime the Bible mentions weapons and tools, it is talking about the Word, and how anytime animals are mentioned, they represent people/humanity).

My Christian faith is not as strong as I want it to be. I've grown up in a very Baptist family, with very strong beliefs about particular interpretations. These beliefs are so strong that I am often left believing in certain things just because my family believes, as opposed to knowing why they believe. This has caused me to question a lot of things and struggle with maintaining a strong relationship with God as I've gotten older. Because of this, finding a Bible study that finally showed me concrete evidence of what the Bible really means was truly a relief for me.

Weeks and months went by, and I'd attend a Bible study each week. Each lesson became more difficult for me to believe, and yet there was evidence in the Bible (at least according to how it is interpreted). We began by talking about how every Old Testament prophecy was fulfilled already (even the ones often interpreted by many Christians to be prophecies for after the New Testament), such as the prophecy that the Lord will come to Earth with fire...because fire isn't real fire, but instead the Word. This means that when Jesus returns to Earth again, he will not come in an apocalyptic way, but instead through the teachings of his Word. Ehh, maybe. Then as the Bible studies passed, the interpretations were more and more controversial. The Flood wasn't not a worldwide flood, but instead only in that region (the volume of water on the Earth today could not cover the whole surface that it would cover the highest mountains, but would mathematically cover that whole region; records of ancient Chinese civilizations from that time period hold no history of a flood; it is not fair to the people living in other parts of the world that were not introduced to the Word of God, were kangaroos on the ark, too? etc.). This made sense, so I went with it. Next, we talked about how the first sin, leading to the Fall, is sexual, not the consumption of actual fruit (tree of life = Adam, tree of knowledge of good and evil = Eve, eating the fruit = having sex, that is why they were ashamed of being naked, that is why Eve/women experience pains in childbirth = she became pregnant with Cain from this, and he created murder). This also made sense, because we found scriptures across the Bible that referred to Adam, and mankind, as being a "tree of life". Then we talked about how the Trinity is actually three separate beings, and the Holy Spirit is a female, mother figure (wisdom/Holy Spirit referred to as a "she", Creation story says "create mankind in OUR image, Holy Spirit is referred to with words like "wonderful counselor", "comforter", etc.).

These go against a lot of the teachings that I am used to. While I am hesitant to believe some of them, because I am so rooted in the Baptist faith, I shouldn't turn a blind eye to other interpretations and assume that everything about my faith is 100% correct. I have not mentioned the specific teachings to my parents, because their undying Baptist beliefs will immediately cause them to shut off my explanations and say it's wrong (I already tried to tell the Flood story to my dad, without saying where I heard it from, and he said no way), so I feel like they would be biased. (That's why I am posting here).

Yesterday, my Bible study friends invited me to go to church with them. Turns out, it's a house church where they and a group of friends go and watch a recording of a church service in Korea. The preacher's photos were on the walls of the room, and the service only sang songs that the man had written himself. (He, and my Bible study friends, believe that you are to be the bride of God. In the Old Testament, you are his servant, in the New Testament, you are his child, and in the Completed Testament/modern-day, you are his bride. Not sexually, but with how much you love him, and he loves humanity...Adam and Eve were created for this purpose, but their sin caused them to Fall from their higher rank all the way to the servant-level. So this preacher wrote his own songs to talk about being God's bride instead of his child, which are what other Christian songs are about.) The church members sing about/pray to the Holy Trinity (okay, so God's Trinity).

This preacher's message talked about how the Resurrection of Jesus in the Bible was not a physical resurrection, but spiritual. Any encounters people had with Jesus after his death was through dreams and visions, and that there is historical evidence that Jesus's body was discovered, labeled Jesus of Nazareth, along with Mary, Joseph, and Martha (10 in total). This I do not fully understand, because what about the tomb being empty? What about the holes in his hands and in his side? Did the disciples only see him and touch him in dreams and visions (supposedly why he was able to get in the room when the doors were locked, because he was in spiritual form).

Another thing that confused me was how much they seemed to focus on the preacher himself. They celebrated him and his works (building a monument/temple from rocks, healing people...they said he healed people, not God through his prayers...etc.), because they were celebrating the 1-year anniversary since he made it out of prison (10-year sentence from being prosecuted for his beliefs). He talks about how God has shared these new beliefs/interpretations to him as he fasts, and he first discovered God when he was young and starving with his family in the woods, and that he was chosen by God to lead this new Christian movement. The way that these people looked up to him so much...it was concerning. It was as if they were putting him up too high on a pedestal that he should not be on. (He's still a person, no matter if God has chosen him or not. That's the point of God choosing people in the Bible--Abraham, David, Paul, Peter, etc.--they are still people who make mistakes.

After the service, I went home and researched his church. It is called Providence, led and founded by Jung Myung-seok (About Pastor Jung Myung Seok). I quickly found many websites (practically all of my search results) calling his church a cult. I even watched a 20-minute video where people who used to be a part of Providence are telling their stories about how their faith was ruined, and that he did not go to prison for religious persecution, but instead sexual assault and rape. It said that he recruits beautiful women through secular organizations and Bible studies, and he would have them send him letters and their photos in prison, which he posted on his walls and stroke them. They would also pray to photos of him and Jesus side-by-side.

I am hesitant to believe everything the Internet tells me, because people lie, and if he was truly persecuted for his faith, and people are afraid of change, so it would make sense that they would try to find/create dirt on him, but I don't want to ignore these claims, either. While the Bible studies make sense, they are a drastic change to my Baptist beliefs. Slap on top of that, and I do not think I am a strong enough Christian to be able to tell what is right and wrong when it comes to interpreting the Bible properly. I just want to strengthen my faith, but I am torn. If this is a cult, I want out. But these were my first (and only, really) college friends, and they are so kind and love God so much. It is difficult to believe that they are just recruiting me for their cult, but that is the whole point of cults...you fool people into joining them.

What should I do? Should I back out now? Should I just ghost my friends, or tell them I'm not coming back? (If I tell them I'm not coming back, should I tell them why?) Should I try to talk to my parents anyway, despite their bias? Should I keep going to Bible study and just ask more questions to try and figure out which is true? (Do I have the spiritual capacity to do such a thing?) Should I confront my friends about being a cult?

I know this is super-long, but I really appreciate you reading it! I am really struggling here.

It is definitely a cult from what you described of their teachings. I would just stop going, you don't need to give reasons why. Jesus said in the bible not to premeditate on what you will say to a person when witnessing, for it will be that God will give you in that hour what to speak. Don't worry too much about coming up with what to say to them, just trust that as you speak God will give you the right words.
 
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Thank you all for the help! I have decided to definitely cut ties with the group. I am trying to figure out the best method of doing so.

The two members I typically meet with have my Snapchat, phone number, and Instagram (we just set up a time each week that best fits our schedules...it is a one-on-one type of study group--they have a copy of my school schedule so they know when I am available to meet). They are very friendly, and I really care about them. Is there any possibility that they are like me and were/are unaware that this is a cult, but instead are under the same brainwashing? Taking this into account, should I...

1.) Tell them that it is a cult and that I am not going back, and they are welcome to make their own decisions, but this is my decision.
2.) Just tell them that I do not want to attend anymore, not giving a reason.
3.) Tell them that I am no longer going to attend the group, giving a reason like I am too busy, or I am taking time to myself to reflect with God.
4.) Say nothing and block them on everything.
5.) Do one of the above, and then block them on everything.
6.) A combination of these? Another idea?

Pretty much, I am not sure if they have been brainwashed, or they are the brainwasher. Should it be any of my business to try and look out for them, or should I just focus on getting myself out of the situation and not worry about them?
 
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