I agree.
Would you agree it would be more appropriate to state generic time frames like soon or near instead of specific time frames like 1 or 2 years?
No, not in this case. I just didn't pull a number out of a hat. I'm basing it on what happened the last time Israel built an altar. God says he declares the end from the beginning.
Great we agree then? the first fruits of the 12 tribes were from the 1st century.
They are the 1st Fruits of the dead in Christ.
I am aware of the 7 feasts, but I am unaware of which scriptures say that there will be a harvest (rapture/resurrection) of first fruits on Passover, gentiles on Pentecost, and the 12 tribes at the feast of trumpets.
Can you provide scripture for this belief?
So again, can you provide scripture to support that there will be a harvest (rapture/resurrection) of first fruits on Passover, gentiles on Pentecost, and the 12 tribes at the feast of trumpet?
Sure, but I don't think you will be able to follow. First Passover, Pentecost and the Feast of Trumpets are harvest feasts. Passover represents the barley harvest, Pentecost represents the wheat harvest and The Feast of Trumpets represents the fall fruit harvest. Everyone thinks that the spring feasts are fulfilled. And yet has there been a harvest?
Starting in Rev 5 we see 24 elders and the throne. They say they are redeemed out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
Since 24 elders can't come out of kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation, there is obviously others there that they are speaking for. This event occurs before any seals are opened. Therefore the tribulation has not started. That's one of the many reasons there will be a pretribulation rapture.
Rev 5
6 And I beheld, and, lo,
in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
7 And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.
8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.
9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain,
and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
Look at Matt 24 and 1 Thes 5. How is it that Jesus tells us the Goodman will not know when He is coming and yet Paul says that day won't take the believers unaware. How is it that Jesus tells us that things happen on the earth and there will be signs in the sun and the moon and stars. He says look up, your redemption draws nigh, and yet he then says that the Goodman will not know when he is coming. That has to mean He is coming more than once. He is coming Pre Trib and then He is coming immediately after the tribulation, Pre wrath.
Matt 24
42
Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
43
But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
1 Thes 5
1
But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
4
But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.
7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.
8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.
9
For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
In 1 Thes 4 he says those that are asleep He will bring with Him. They will rise again.......likely on a harvest feast. Jesus will bring them with Him in the clouds. When the pretribulation rapture occurs those that are alive will be caught up......with those in the clouds........to meet the Lord in the air. At this point both the barley and wheat harvest would have occurred.
1 Thes 4
13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again,
even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the
Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be
caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
The Church will be gone pretrib as proven in Rev 5. Then the tribulation occurs. After the tribulation is over Jesus is coming for the fall fruit harvest. The 144,000 that are first fruits are a guarantee of a harvest. The harvest will be the twelve tribes. We can see the Matt 24 event "immediately after the tribulation" occurring in Rev 6. Then the wrath of God begins.
Matt 24
29
Immediately after the tribulation of those days
shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Rev 6
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; an
d the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
13
And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17
For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
This is the fall fruit harvest. The righteous are gathered in the clouds. The unrighteous go through the wrath of God.
Rev 14
14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.
15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.
16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.
17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.
18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.
19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth,
and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.
20 And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.
Salvation comes to the Gentiles pretrib. Then the eyes of 12 tribes that are scattered across the earth are opened. They go through the tribulation, but not the wrath of God. This is proven by their being 144,000 1st first fruits. Those in the nation of Israel that were not killed during the tribulation will go through the wrath of God. Those that run to the mountains as instructed when the abomination of desolation is set up will flee to a place of protection.
Rom 11
11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall
salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles;
how much more their fulness?
The fall fruit harvest begins at the last trump which is blown on the Feast of Trumpets. Summer is near when the pretribulation rapture occurs.
1 Cor 15
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
