Is a 3rd future Temple needed to fulfill Bible prophecy?

Is a future Temple in Jerusalem needed to fulfill Bible prophecy?


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The Jews still have to raise up a High Priesthood to serve in the Sanctuary....

Do not bother the Dispys with pesky facts and details LLOJ, its best to keep your hands and feet away when they are gorging themselves on their hopes and dreams of a future Temple & Blood animal sacrifice system for the atonement of Sins.
 
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2414. Hierosoluma of Hebrew origin (3389); Hierosolyma (i.e. Jerushalaim}, the capitol of Palestine:--Jerusalem. Compare 2419.
G2414 (Hierosolyma), occurs 59 times in 59 verses

2419. Hierousalem =of Hebrew origin (3389); Hierusalem (i.e. Jerushalem), the capitol of Palestine:--Jerusalem. Compare 2414.
=G2419 matches the Greek (Ierousalēm), occurs 83 times in 80 verses

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Names of Jerusalem - Wikipedia

Greek, the city is called either Ierousalēm (Ἰερουσαλήμ) (G2419) or Hierosolyma (Ἱεροσόλυμα)(G2414). The latter exhibits yet another re-etymologization, by association with the word hieros (Greek: ἱερός, "holy").

the "holy" term is not used in revelation

the other term is the historical name of Shalem from the days of Jebusite high priest Melchizedek in the days of Abraham

the Jebusite shrine in Zion the city of David has been uncovered within about 10m of the Gihon spring:
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the shrine echoes the book of Leviticus, with an olive oil press for anointing priests and a stall for tethering sacrificial animals

Aaron and Solomon's priest Zadok may have been of the ancient line of Melchizedek, whose priestly traditions apparently inform the priestly P strand of the Torah according to the documentary hypothesis (which apparently stands in some conflict with the J E D strand of the Levites of the line of Moses, Jeremiah 7:22, Jeremiah 8:8 - WHO WROTE THE BIBLE by R E Friedman)

the Jebusite era shine is described about halfway through chapter 13 of TEMPLE by Cornuke, and shown from about the 22:00 in the following video:

The Jebusite Shrine. dubbed "Temple Zero" is described in the following podcast beginning at about the 45 minute mark.

 
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Not likely that somebody found a coin under that wall cause it's still standing.

You seem to not know very much about archeology, if that is the best logic you can come up with.

Have you ever heard of underground tunneling, or mining?

You can dig under about 50% of a foundation stone before it will fall, with no effort to provide additional support.

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You will likely see a Temple built in the next year or two. I'm sure they will build it at the right place as it is prophesied to be there.

If the temple is not rebuilt in the next 1 or 2 years, what does that make of your statement?

What does the Bible call those who make predictions that don't come true?

However if you understood the Jewish feasts you would realize there are three harvest feasts. If you understood that God says if there are 1st fruits, there is a guarantee of a harvest you would see what is to come. Since we can see that there are 144,000 FIRST FRUITS 12,000 from each tribe, there is a guarantee that there will be a harvest of the 12 tribes.

Who was the audience of the book of James? the 12 tribes

James 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ,To the twelve tribes in the Dispersion:

James states that 'WE' should be a kind of first fruits of his creatures. Who are the 'WE'? The 'WE' are james and the 12 tribes who he is writing to.

James 1:18 Of his own will he brought us forth by the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.

Thus the first fruits of the 12 tribes existed ~2,000 years ago.

The dead in Christ, Passover,.....The Gentiles, Pentecost........and the 12 tribes, Feast of Trumpets, at the last trump.

What does this even mean?

Are you saying the dead in Christ are harvested at Passover? where is the scripture for this?
Are you saying the gentiles are harvested at Pentecost? where is the scripture for this?
Are you saying the 12 tribes are harvested at the feast of trumpets? where is the scripture for this?



 
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If the temple is not rebuilt in the next 1 or 2 years, what does that make of your statement?
It would make the statement wrong. And if there is a Temple built in the next year or two, it would make the statement right.
What does the Bible call those who make predictions that don't come true?
Get a grip. Do you understand what the word likely means. It is not the same as definitely. People are all the time saying that there will be a pre trib or post trib or pre wrath rapture. That does not mean anything other than that's what they think will happen according to what they think the Bible says.


Who was the audience of the book of James? the 12 tribes

James 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ,To the twelve tribes in the Dispersion:

James states that 'WE' should be a kind of first fruits of his creatures. Who are the 'WE'? The 'WE' are james and the 12 tribes who he is writing to.

James 1:18 Of his own will he brought us forth by the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.

Thus the first fruits of the 12 tribes existed ~2,000 years ago.


Yes there were first fruits 2000 years ago, which guarantees a harvest. Certainly not a shocking matter given what Jesus said.

Matt 15
24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

What does this even mean?
It means you might want to study the Jewish feasts.
 
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You seem to not know very much about archeology, if that is the best logic you can come up with.

Have you ever heard of underground tunneling, or mining?

You can dig under about 50% of a foundation stone before it will fall, with no effort to provide additional support.

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Ok. I guess I will go to Israel, grab a shovel, dig around and see what I find.
 
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Do not bother the Dispys with pesky facts and details LLOJ, its best to keep your hands and feet away when they are gorging themselves on their hopes and dreams of a future Temple & Blood animal sacrifice system for the atonement of Sins.
I'm imagining the stupor on your face when God does what He says He will do.
 
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We will all experience the wrath of God on His great and terrible Day of vengeance and wrath. That will be the great test of our faith, as 1 Peter 3:12 and many other scriptures tell us.
Thinking that the Jewish people are the only Israel, is serious error. They freely admit that they represent only 2 of the 12 Israelite tribes.
Jesus plainly said that He has come to save the lost House of Israel; the ten Northern tribes. His mission was successful, we Christians are the proof of it.
The Jews rejected and killed Him, they were punished and mostly killed in 70 AD. Now, another people have arisen, who call themselves Jews; but are not, they will be wiped out along with all their evil neighbors on the Day of the Lord's wrath. Jeremiah 12:14, Zephaniah 1:14-18, Amos 1 & 2:1-5, +
I don't plan to be here when the wrath hits. Let me know how it goes.
 
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I'm imagining the stupor on your face when God does what He says He will do.

Don't you worry about me, friend.
I'm fully prepared for whatever lies ahead!

I have the armor of God to protect me from everything from a lethal spider bite I may get tomorrow to His Global Wrath - if it ever came... it's all the same between Him and Me.

I'll be with Him Forever no matter what happens Here.

That's why I rejoice in thanksgiving for the grace of God every day!

You may continue to gorge yourself on the carnal hope of future animal sacrifices to take away sins if you must.

I will rest In the arms that Hung on the Cross.
 
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Flagging this post to revisit in 2022 to see if your fancy prediction came true....Will be my 20th anniversary of posting on CF!

Whoda thunk it.. 20 years of refuting all the "Its coming soon! in the next year or two... mark my words" hogwash...

First off I said likely.......I believe you added the "mark my words". Do you think they just built that altar and burnt something on it and that's going to be the end of it?

The problem won't be if we don't see construction on the Temple in two years. The problem will be if there is construction. Then what will the blind man do? I suspect all quiet on the western front.
 
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Don't you worry about me, friend.
I'm fully prepared for whatever lies ahead!

I have the armor of God to protect me from everything from a lethal spider bite I may get tomorrow to His Global Wrath - if it ever came... it's all the same between Him and Me.

I'll be with Him Forever no matter what happens Here.

That's why I rejoice in thanksgiving for the grace of God every day!

You may continue to gorge yourself on the carnal hope of future animal sacrifices to take away sins if you must.

I will rest In the arms that Hung on the Cross.
You sure like to put words in peoples mouth. Problem is God is the one that says there will be a Temple and sacrifices again. I just happen to agree with Him.
 
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I don't plan to be here when the wrath hits. Let me know how it goes.
My friends and I will be watching it hit Israel live on TV, from here in God's country of Texas.......

Eze 6:
2 'Son of man, set thy face unto mountains of Israel, and prophesy concerning them:
3 And thou hast said: Mountains of Israel, Hear ye a word of the Lord Jehovah: Thus said the Lord Jehovah To the mountains, and to the hills, To the streams, and to the valleys, [Luke 23:30 Revelation 6:16-17]
Behold! I, I am bringing in against you a sword, And I have destroyed your high places.

Luke 23:30
"Then they shall be beginning to be saying to the mountains
'be falling upon us!' and to the hills 'cover us!'".
[Ezekiel 6:2 Hosea 10:8 Revelation 6:15]

Revelation 6:
16 They called to the mountains and the rocks,
“Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him Who sits on the throne
and from the wrath of the Lamb!
17 For the great day of Their wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”
 
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You sure like to put words in peoples mouth. Problem is God is the one that says there will be a Temple and sacrifices again. I just happen to agree with Him.

If you're convinced of that, you should plan to assist with the rebuild.

Best of luck.

Sozomen (ca. A.D.375-447)
"Ecclesiastical History"
Book V, Chapter XXII


Though the emperor [Julian the Apostate] hated and opressed the Christians, he manifested benevolence and humanity towards the Jews. He wrote to the Jewish patriarchs and leaders, as well as to the people, requesting them to pray for him, and for the prosperity of the empire. In taking this step he was not actuated, I am convinced, by any respect for their religion; for he was aware that it is, so to speak, the mother of the Christian religion, and he knew that both religions rest upon the authority of the patriarchs and the prophets; but he thought to grieve the Christians by favoring the Jews, who are their most inveterate enemies. But perhaps he also calculated upon persuading the Jews to embrace paganism and sacrifices; for they were only acquainted with the mere letter of Scripture, and could not, like the Christians and a few of the wisest among the Hebrews, discern the hidden meaning.

Events proved that this was his real motive; for he sent for some of the chiefs of the race and exhorted them to return to the observance of the laws of Moses and the customs of their fathers. On their replying that because the temple in Jerusalem was overturned, it was neither lawful nor ancestral to do this in another place than the metropolis out of which they had been cast, he gave them public money, commanded them to rebuild the temple, and to practice the cult similar to that of their ancestors, by sacrificing after the ancient way. The Jews entered upon the undertaking, without reflecting that, according to the prediction of the holy prophets, it could not be accomplished. They sought for the most skillful artisans, collected materials, cleared the ground, and entered so earnestly upon the task, that even the women carried heaps of earth, and brought their necklaces and other female ornaments towards defraying the expense. The emperor, the other pagans, and all the Jews, regarded every other undertaking as secondary in importance to this. Although the pagans were not well-disposed towards the Jews, yet they assisted them in this enterprise, because they reckoned upon its ultimate success, and hoped by this means to falsify the prophecies of Christ. Besides this motive, the Jews themselves were impelled by the consideration that the time had arrived for rebuilding their temple. When they had removed the ruins of the former building, they dug up the ground and cleared away its foundation; it is said that on the following day when they were about to lay the first foundation, a great earthquake occurred, and by the violent agitation of the earth, stones were thrown up from the depths, by which those of the Jews who were engaged in the work were wounded, as likewise those who were merely looking on. The houses and public porticos, near the site of the temple, in which they had diverted themselves, were suddenly thrown down; many were caught thereby, some perished immediately, others were found half dead and mutilated of hands or legs, others were injured in other parts of the body. When God caused the earthquake to cease, the workmen who survived again returned to their task, partly because such was the edict of the emperor, and partly because they were themselves interested in the undertaking. Men often, in endeavoring to gratify their own passions, seek what is injurious to them, reject what would be truly advantageous, and are deluded-by the idea that nothing is really useful except what is agreeable to them. When once led astray by this error, they are no longer able to act in a manner conducive to their own interests, or to take warning by the calamities which are visited upon them.

The Jews, I believe, were just in this state; for, instead of regarding this unexpected earthquake as a manifest indication that God was opposed to the re-erection of their temple, they proceeded to recommence the work. But all parties relate, that they had scarcely returned to the undertaking, when fire burst suddenly from the foundations of the temple, and consumed several of the workmen.

This fact is fearlessly stated, and believed by all; the only discrepancy in the narrative is that some maintain that flame burst from the interior of the temple, as the workmen were striving to force an entrance, while others say that the fire proceeded directly from the earth. In whichever way the phenomenon might have occurred, it is equally wonderful. A more tangible and still more extraordinary prodigy ensued; suddenly the sign of the cross appeared spontaneously on the garments of the persons engaged in the undertaking. These crosses were disposed like stars, and appeared the work of art. Many were hence led to confess that Christ is God, and that the rebuilding of the temple was not pleasing to Him; others presented themselves in the church, were initiated, and besought Christ, with hymns and supplications, to pardon their transgression. If any one does not feel disposed to believe my narrative, let him go and be convinced by those who heard the facts I have related from the eyewitnesses of them, for they are still alive. Let him inquire, also, of the Jews and pagans who left the work in an incomplete state, or who, to speak more accurately, were able to commence it.
 
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Do not bother the Dispys with pesky facts and details LLOJ, its best to keep your hands and feet away when they are gorging themselves on their hopes and dreams of a future Temple & Blood animal sacrifice system for the atonement of Sins.
You show an utter failure to know what God wants.
Isaiah 56:1-8 and Ezekiel 40-46 are ample proof that there will be another Temple and there will again be offerings and sacrifices in it.
How will the Anti-Christ stop the sacrifices? Daniel 9:27 and 2 Thess 2:4 They must recommence first!
I don't plan to be here when the wrath hits. Let me know how it goes.
What you plan and what God has planned, are quite different things. The end time events will come as a severe shock to all who believe in a 'rapture'.
 
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If you're convinced of that, you should plan to assist with the rebuild.
I actually know that I will, having received Zechariah 6:15 at my Baptism.
Your repeated post about how those who tried to build the Temple before; were prevented from doing so, just shows that the time was not right. That will change, soon after all of the holy Land is cleared and cleansed on the Lord's Day of fiery wrath. Deuteronomy 32:34-43
 
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I actually know that I will, having received Zechariah 6:15 at my Baptism.
Your repeated post about how those who tried to build the Temple before; were prevented from doing so, just shows that the time was not right. That will change, soon after all of the holy Land is cleared and cleansed on the Lord's Day of fiery wrath. Deuteronomy 32:34-43

That was much more than just wrong timing.

It was unmistakable Divine wrath, the reason for which they were well aware of.

But for those intent on relearning God's history lessons...enjoy it.
 
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That will change, soon after all of the holy Land is cleared and cleansed on the Lord's Day of fiery wrath. Deuteronomy 32:34-43


2Th 1:7 and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels,
2Th 1:8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2Th 1:9 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,
2Th 1:10 when He comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who believe, because our testimony among you was believed.

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If you find a coin under the foundation of your house, the date on that coin will reveal that the house could not have been built before that coin was minted.

The coin Eli Shukron found under the bottom layer of stones of the "Wailing Wall" was dated at 20 AD.

Therefore, it could not have been a part of Herod's temple.



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"Caesar gave orders that they should now demolish the entire city, and temple: but should leave as many of the towers standing as were of the greatest eminency, that is, Phasaelus, and Hippicus, and Mariamne: and so much of the wall as enclosed the city on the west side. This wall was spared, in order to afford a CAMP for such as were to lie in garrison: as were the towers also spared in order to demonstrate to posterity what kind of city it was, and how well fortified, which the Roman valour had subdued. But for all the rest of the wall, it was so thoroughly laid even with the ground, by those that dug it up to the foundation, that there was left nothing to make those that came thither believe it had ever been inhabited." - Josephus Wars Book VII

"And where is now that great city, the metropolis of the Jewish nation, which vas fortified by so many walls round about, which had so many fortresses and large towers to defend it, which could hardly contain the instruments prepared for the war, and which had so many ten thousands of men to fight for it? Where is this city that was believed to have God himself inhabiting therein? It is now demolished to the very foundations, and hath nothing but that monument of it preserved, I mean the CAMP of those that hath destroyed it, which still dwells upon its ruins" - Eleazar ben Jair, quoted in Josephus Jewish Wars book 7 Chapter 8.

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Josephus was NOT referring to the fortress Antonia or the Temple Mount structure. But rather to walls and towers on the far west side of the city.

I do not now think that Josephus was suggesting that the Temple Mount structure was a Roman Fortification. Preserved for. Garrisoning. The region after the revolt.
 
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My friends and I will be watching it hit Israel live on TV, from here in God's country of Texas.......

Eze 6:
2 'Son of man, set thy face unto mountains of Israel, and prophesy concerning them:
3 And thou hast said: Mountains of Israel, Hear ye a word of the Lord Jehovah: Thus said the Lord Jehovah To the mountains, and to the hills, To the streams, and to the valleys, [Luke 23:30 Revelation 6:16-17]
Behold! I, I am bringing in against you a sword, And I have destroyed your high places.

Luke 23:30
"Then they shall be beginning to be saying to the mountains
'be falling upon us!' and to the hills 'cover us!'".
[Ezekiel 6:2 Hosea 10:8 Revelation 6:15]

Revelation 6:
16 They called to the mountains and the rocks,
“Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him Who sits on the throne
and from the wrath of the Lamb!
17 For the great day of Their wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”
When choose attempted to rebuild the temple in 363. Aideed under Emperor Julian, the apostate. Building was hampered by fiery. Gas explosions. Triggered by Sparks. From the pick axes of the workers, chipping away at the bedrock.

We know that the pool of Bethesda. Periodically bubbled, according to John 5. Clearly, the bubbles were some form of natural gas. Jerusalem. Is evidently sitting on a natural gas reserve? When the fourth century workers dug deep into the ground to lay foundations for the third temple. They released some of the natural gas, which exploded every time anyone swung a pickaxe?
 
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"Caesar gave orders that they should now demolish the entire city, and temple: but should leave as many of the towers standing as were of the greatest eminency, that is, Phasaelus, and Hippicus, and Mariamne: and so much of the wall as enclosed the city on the west side. This wall was spared, in order to afford a CAMP for such as were to lie in garrison: as were the towers also spared in order to demonstrate to posterity what kind of city it was, and how well fortified, which the Roman valour had subdued. But for all the rest of the wall, it was so thoroughly laid even with the ground, by those that dug it up to the foundation, that there was left nothing to make those that came thither believe it had ever been inhabited." - Josephus Wars Book VII

"And where is now that great city, the metropolis of the Jewish nation, which vas fortified by so many walls round about, which had so many fortresses and large towers to defend it, which could hardly contain the instruments prepared for the war, and which had so many ten thousands of men to fight for it? Where is this city that was believed to have God himself inhabiting therein? It is now demolished to the very foundations, and hath nothing but that monument of it preserved, I mean the CAMP of those that hath destroyed it, which still dwells upon its ruins" - Eleazar ben Jair, quoted in Josephus Jewish Wars book 7 Chapter 8.

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Josephus was NOT referring to the fortress Antonia or the Temple Mount structure. But rather to walls and towers on the far west side of the city.

I do not now think that Josephus was suggesting that the Temple Mount structure was a Roman Fortification. Preserved for. Garrisoning. The region after the revolt.


The following comes from Wars of the Jews, by Flavius Josephus, Book 5, Chapter 5, Section 8.



8. Now as to the tower of Antonia, it was situated at the corner of two cloisters of the court of the temple; of that on the west, and that on the north; it was erected upon a rock of fifty cubits in height, and was on a great precipice; it was the work of king Herod, wherein he demonstrated his natural magnanimity. In the first place, the rock itself was covered over with smooth pieces of stone, from its foundation, both for ornament, and that any one who would either try to get up or to go down it might not be able to hold his feet upon it. Next to this, and before you come to the edifice of the tower itself, there was a wall three cubits high; but within that wall all the space of the tower of Antonia itself was built upon, to the height of forty cubits. The inward parts had the largeness and form of a palace, it being parted into all kinds of rooms and other conveniences, such as courts, and places for bathing, and broad spaces for camps; insomuch that, by having all conveniences that cities wanted, it might seem to be composed of several cities, but by its magnificence it seemed a palace. And as the entire structure resembled that of a tower, it contained also four other distinct towers at its four corners; whereof the others were but fifty cubits high; whereas that which lay upon the southeast corner was seventy cubits high, that from thence the whole temple might be viewed; but on the corner where it joined to the two cloisters of the temple, it had passages down to them both, through which the guard (for there always lay in this tower a Roman legion) went several ways among the cloisters, with their arms, on the Jewish festivals, in order to watch the people, that they might not there attempt to make any innovations; for the temple was a fortress that guarded the city, as was the tower of Antonia a guard to the temple; and in that tower were the guards of those three (14). There was also a peculiar fortress belonging to the upper city, which was Herod’s palace; but for the hill Bezetha, it was divided from the tower Antonia, as we have already told you; and as that hill on which the tower of Antonia stood was the highest of these three, so did it adjoin to the new city, and was the only place that hindered the sight of the temple on the north. And this shall suffice at present to have spoken about the city and the walls about it, because I have proposed to myself to make a more accurate description of it elsewhere.


Josephus said Fort Antonia was built upon a gigantic rock.


This provides tremendous evidence that the Dome of the Rock is the true location of Fort Antonia.



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