The erosion of truth in well known Christian ministers...

Gideons300 · Jan 5, 2019

I had to do a double take today as I read a quote from a leading Christian minister. I will not name him because my point is not to single out any one man. The purpose of this post is simply to address an increasingly growing point of view where politics transcends the words of Christ. I am simply going to post the quote and let the words sink in.

“There’s two kingdoms. There’s the earthly kingdom and the heavenly kingdom. In the heavenly kingdom the responsibility is to treat others as you’d like to be treated. In the earthly kingdom, the responsibility is to choose leaders who will do what’s best for your country. Think about it. Why have Americans been able to do more to help people in need around the world than any other country in history? It’s because of free enterprise, freedom, ingenuity, entrepreneurism and wealth. A poor person never gave anyone a job. A poor person never gave anybody charity, not of any real volume. It’s just common sense to me.”

When asked if there is anything our leader could do that would change that opinion or cause him to waver in his support, his one word answer was “No.”

We as His people are not of this world. Oh, that we would finally embrace that truth. When patriotism trumps (no pun intended) unswerving loyalty to the Lord and what He taught us, we are seeing the great falling away in all of its glory.

Blessings,

Gideon

yeshuaslavejeff · Jan 5, 2019

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Before 1950, for 1 or 2 wars at least, or 3, or more,
"patriotism" overcame Faith in many people in the USA, and,
even the previously faithful Mennonites in /around/ Germany - so much so,
they gave up their allegiance to Jesus and replaced it with allegiance to Hitler, because Hitler gave them their property back. (their farms).

chevyontheriver · Jan 5, 2019

Gideons300 said:
I had to do a double take today as I read a quote from a leading Christian minister. I will not name him because my point is not to single out any one man. The purpose of this post is simply to address an increasingly growing point of view where politics transcends the words of Christ. I am simply going to post the quote and let the words sink in.

“There’s two kingdoms. There’s the earthly kingdom and the heavenly kingdom. In the heavenly kingdom the responsibility is to treat others as you’d like to be treated. In the earthly kingdom, the responsibility is to choose leaders who will do what’s best for your country. Think about it. Why have Americans been able to do more to help people in need around the world than any other country in history? It’s because of free enterprise, freedom, ingenuity, entrepreneurism and wealth. A poor person never gave anyone a job. A poor person never gave anybody charity, not of any real volume. It’s just common sense to me.”

When asked if there is anything our leader could do that would change that opinion or cause him to waver in his support, his one word answer was “No.”

We as His people are not of this world. Oh, that we would finally embrace that truth. When patriotism trumps (no pun intended) unswerving loyalty to the Lord and what He taught us, we are seeing the great falling away in all of its glory.

Blessings,

Gideon

It's easy to figure out who said it. Harder to figure out why. Being a Republican (or a Democrat) is more important to these people than being a Christian.

Tigger45 · Jan 5, 2019

Economics is not the highest Godly virtue.

Gideons300 · Jan 5, 2019

chevyontheriver said:
It's easy to figure out who said it. Harder to figure out why. Being a Republican (or a Democrat) is more important to these people than being a Christian.

To me, it is simply showing where one’s heart is really at. Sorry for the dangling participial.

Here is what Paul said. He hits the nail on the head.

“Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.

For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:

Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.”

Philippians 3:17-19

You see, this warning is referring to people who call themselves Christians but are not. There is hope for any up until the day of the Lord, thank God, but without true repentance and submission to the Lord, there will be many who are shocked at what they hear from the one they drew near to with their lips, but with their hearts still their own.

Blessings,

Gideon

jax5434 · Jan 5, 2019

Perhaps more to the point, poor people don't send him any money.
God Bless
Jax

Shempster · Jan 5, 2019

Gideons300 said:
I had to do a double take today as I read a quote from a leading Christian minister. I will not name him because my point is not to single out any one man. The purpose of this post is simply to address an increasingly growing point of view where politics transcends the words of Christ. I am simply going to post the quote and let the words sink in.

“There’s two kingdoms. There’s the earthly kingdom and the heavenly kingdom. In the heavenly kingdom the responsibility is to treat others as you’d like to be treated. In the earthly kingdom, the responsibility is to choose leaders who will do what’s best for your country. Think about it. Why have Americans been able to do more to help people in need around the world than any other country in history? It’s because of free enterprise, freedom, ingenuity, entrepreneurism and wealth. A poor person never gave anyone a job. A poor person never gave anybody charity, not of any real volume. It’s just common sense to me.”

When asked if there is anything our leader could do that would change that opinion or cause him to waver in his support, his one word answer was “No.”

We as His people are not of this world. Oh, that we would finally embrace that truth. When patriotism trumps (no pun intended) unswerving loyalty to the Lord and what He taught us, we are seeing the great falling away in all of its glory.

Blessings,

Gideon

But isn't giving a man a job akin to offering him a chance to be the masters servant?
Should not a Christian leader of a Christian country give a man liberty to be his own provider?

Albion · Jan 6, 2019

Gideons300 said:
I had to do a double take today as I read a quote from a leading Christian minister. I will not name him because my point is not to single out any one man. The purpose of this post is simply to address an increasingly growing point of view where politics transcends the words of Christ. I am simply going to post the quote and let the words sink.

Gideon

I'm not sure, from the OP, exactly what the issue is. The quote isn't simply a comment in praise of patriotism. The two points that stand out seem to be: 1) voting and government are a matter of what is right for all of us, whereas when we as individuals follow some code of conduct, it's our own business and we make our own choices...

...and 2) if helping raise the standard of living for everyone--or just for the poor--is the objective, the free enterprise system is proven to do a better job of it than any form of collectivism.

hedrick · Jan 6, 2019

The problem with the quote is that it contradicts one of Jesus' major purposes. As it says in the Lord's prayer, thy Kingdom come, they will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. That is, it is our job to bring the Kingdom to earth. The OP seems to say that this isn't the case. It's kind of a caricature of what people have always accused Christians of, that as long as we get to heaven, it doesn't matter what we do here.

But I'm not sure that's quite what he meant. Rather, he seemed to be making a radical separation between personal action and state action. The state's job is to have a good economy, but not to help people. There are plenty of people in CF who seem to believe that. A more moderate view is that there are certain things that can be done more effectively by the state, and others not. Indeed the prophets judged the nation of Israel in part by how it treated vulnerable people such as widows, orphans, and immigrants.

Albion · Jan 6, 2019

hedrick said:
The problem with the quote is that it contradicts one of Jesus' major purposes. As it says in the Lord's prayer, thy Kingdom come, they will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. That is, it is our job to bring the Kingdom to earth.

We are consistently instructed to act--as individuals. Government, which Christ did not target for reform at any time in his public ministry, is something else.

It is wrong for anyone to assume that using force to compel other people to carry out the obligations our faith places upon any of us is either moral or scriptural.

hedrick · Jan 6, 2019

Albion said:
We are consistently instructed to act--as individuals. Government, which Christ did not target for reform at any time in his public ministry, is something else.

It is wrong to assume that using force to compel other people to do the bidding of "your"* personal standards is either moral or Scriptural.

* meaning any of us, of course.

Tell that to the prophets.

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