End times are terrifying

Dave G. · Nov 30, 2018

I thought this thread got locked. At this point it's no use to the OP anyway it's just plain gone off the rails.

mkgal1 · Nov 30, 2018

Just a FYI - the word "homosexual" is a modern word. If a person is truly interested in being true to what the Bible means in the six or so verses that have been translated to "homosexuality" - maybe checking out what the Oxford Classical Dictionary has to say would be helpful. That's the universally acknowledged authoritative reference on matters of antiquity (which would be appropriate to consider the context in which the Bible was written). I don't believe I can link it (it may be perceived as too graphic due to the wording) but a person can Google what it has to say.

parousia70 · Nov 30, 2018

blackhead said:
It’s a choice. I was raised to be straight. Homosexuality wasn’t an option when I was a kid. There were no homosexuals at school. The liberals hadn’t begun pushing their agenda.

I see... so if there were Homosexuals at school you could have been easily tempted and succumbed to their wiles then?

Interesting.

Lucky for you there weren't those temptations to lure you then, huh?

Funny thing is, there were Homosexuals at my school growing up.. not many but a few... and not even once was I tempted to give it a try.
My attraction to the opposite sex was not a choice for me...It is hardwired.
I can't help it.

Apparently, for you it was not. As I understand your position, You could have been quite easily attracted to folks of the same sex if there were people to show you the way, but luckily for you there were not.

Fascinating.

mkgal1 · Nov 30, 2018

About God's wrath:

Quoting Brad Jersak:
We begin with the nature of God. God’s nature or essence is simple, boiled down for us in the fourth chapter of John’s epistle: “God is love…” God is not love plus anything. Love is the essence of the Triune nature and every attribute of God is a facet of that one Diamond or flows from that one infinite Spring. Anything we say about God’s holiness, justice or wrath can only be said with reference to God’s love. The “holiness” or “justice” or “wrath” that is not love is not God’s. Indeed, they were employed by the religious establishment to crucify our Savior.

“God is love… There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love. We love because he first loved us.” (from 1 John 4:16-19). Note that love of God and fear of punishment are set in opposition. ~
“Does God Punish?” Brad Jersak

parousia70 · Nov 30, 2018

Calminian said:
I have no idea what you're referring to. I'm merely saying homosexuality is a sin, and not participating but condoning it is also a sin.

Never once said it's the only sin, nor the only sin we should speak out against

Terrific.
So How often do you speak out against the sin of Gluttony that is so rampant in our society and condemns the people who participate in it, as well as the people who condone it, to Hell for eternity if they do not repent and change their ways?
Can you link me to any posts here n CF where you have done so?

(though I don't agree that capitalism is a sin).

Neither do I.
Not sure where you got that I do from my post?

Greed on the other hand, I would hope you agree is a Damnable sin, relegating the morally degenerate, Greed soaked sinners, as well as those who condone that disgusting, vile sin, to an eternity of torment in the lake of fire right next to, and VASTLY outnumbering, the unrepentant Homosexuals.

I just wonder why so many people scream so loud against the relative "sliver" of Homosexuality yet are completely silent when it comes to the "Plank, Log, 2X4, Board, and Tree-stump" of Gluttony, Greed, Sloth and the other Damnable sins that are vastly more rampant in our society...

The response just doesn't seem to me to match the transgression in any sort of consistent, reasonable manner.

I personally think people find the idea of Homosexuality just plain more "icky" than they do the idea of eating a whole pizza and 5 Cheeseburgers by yourself every day, even though Both Sins land the sinner in the exact same lake of fire...

It's weird.
(edit: I did a quick search and you are 0-12 Gluttony posts to Homosexuality Posts here on CF.. you have a slightly a better record on greed where you are 3-12 Greed to Homosexuality)

Calminian · Nov 30, 2018

parousia70 said:
Terrific.
So How often do you speak out against the sin of Gluttony that is so rampant in our society and condemns the people who participate in it, as well as the people who condone it, to Hell for eternity if they do not repent and change their ways?
Can you link me to any posts here n CF where you have done so?

I do. How often do you speak out against the abomination of homosexuality? How often to you admit it's a sin on the same level as greed and gluttony?

parousia70 said:
Greed on the other hand, I would hope you agree is a Damnable sin, relegating the morally degenerate, Greed soaked sinners, as well as those who condone that disgusting, vile sin, to an eternity of torment in the lake of fire right next to, and VASTLY outnumbering, the unrepentant Homosexuals.

I agree. Greed in our society takes place mainly in the form of leftism, taking others people's money by force through government. That was never the biblical model. But I digress.

parousia70 said:
I just wonder why so many people scream so loud against the relative "sliver" of Homosexuality yet are completely silent when it comes to the "Plank, Log, 2X4, Board, and Tree-stump" of Gluttony, Greed, Sloth and the other Damnable sins that are vastly more rampant in our society...

The only one here screaming is you. I seem to have really hit a nerve merely pointing out the obvious, that homosexuality is a sin (one of many). I think the reason this is discussed, is because our society is denying it's a sin. We generally don't deny greed to be a sin (one of the 7 deadly sins). We don't deny drunkenness is a sin (generally). We don't even deny gluttony is a sin (generally). But the sinfulness of homosexuality is now being questioned, and many Christians refused to stand up and say, yeah, it's actually a sin, and people would benefit if they walked away from it. It's not what God wants for you. It will hurt you! How often are you standing up and saying that?

What's amazing is, that's all I did, and it triggered you. Why is that?

Calminian · Nov 30, 2018

parousia70 said:
I see... so if there were Homosexuals at school you could have been easily tempted and succumbed to their wiles then?

Interesting.

Lucky for you there weren't those temptations to lure you then, huh?

Funny thing is, there were Homosexuals at my school growing up.. not many but a few... and not even once was I tempted to give it a try.
My attraction to the opposite sex was not a choice for me...It is hardwired.
I can't help it.

Apparently, for you it was not. As I understand your position, You could have been quite easily attracted to folks of the same sex if there were people to show you the way, but luckily for you there were not.

Fascinating.

Right, but again, scripture does not say everyone is always tempted by the same things. Many are tempted to drink excessively, while others are not. Therefore, it's probably a good idea not to make free alcohol available everywhere at every event. Just because you're not tempted doesn't mean the temptation shouldn't be limited.

And keep in mind, condoning homosexuality (refusing to call it was it is) is just as serious a sin.

Calminian · Nov 30, 2018

Dave G. said:
I thought this thread got locked. At this point it's no use to the OP anyway it's just plain gone off the rails.

Apologies. Got sidetracked, but I agree, we should at least bring it back to the OP.

parousia70 · Nov 30, 2018

Calminian said:
I do. How often do you speak out against the abomination of homosexuality? How often to you admit it's a sin on the same level as greed and gluttony?

Do a search and find out.

I agree. Greed in our society takes place mainly in the form of leftism, taking others people's money by force through government. That was never the biblical model. But I digress.

Thats actually funny. thanks for the afternoon chuckle!

The only one here screaming is you. I seem to have really hit a nerve merely pointing out the obvious, that homosexuality is a sin (one of many).

I never brought it up... is those who are frightened somehow by homosexuals whos nerves are hit enough to inject the topic into a thread that has nothing to do with it.

Again, you a re 0-12 on Gluttony vs Homosexuality here on CF.
That speaks for itself.

I treat all sins equally, and none of them have the power to Condemn. Not even one.
Christ is stronger than all of them combined.

I think the reason this is discussed, is because our society is denying it's a sin.

That's like saying our society denies dinosaurs were aliens. It's moot.

Our Society is not a theocracy. Western Civilization is not in the business of pontificating on the overall sinfulness of humanity. That's what Church is for.
We're too busy dealing with the everyday mundane issues that actually affect our daily lives.

We generally don't deny greed to be a sin (one of the 7 deadly sins).

Sure we do... remember the Movie Wall St? Greed is Good!
we have a president whos has amassed his fortune on the backs of others because of his Greed and He is unabashedly unrepentant about it. He is teaching society that Greed is Good.

We don't deny drunkenness is a sin (generally).

Sure we do... When was the last time somebody just told a homosexual to "sleep it off" and let it go at that? lol

There are over 66,000 bars in the United States whos livelihood depends on the sin of drunkenness and those who condone it.

How many Gay clubs are there who's livelihood depends on the sin of homosexuality and those who condone it?

Which do you find is the greater threat to our moral fabric as a society?

I find Alcoholism to be a FAR greater, measurable threat to the societal fabric than Homosexuality is.

We don't even deny gluttony is a sin (generally).

The Fast Food Industrial complex is proof to the contrary. As well as the Gastric Bypass and plastic Surgery industry... when is the last time a DR told his overweight patient that he needed to repent of the sin of gluttony before he would perform the gastric bypass on him?
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say...never.
Because Society does not view these sins as Sins.

But the sinfulness of homosexuality is now being questioned, and many Christians refused to stand up and say, yeah, it's actually a sin, and people would benefit if they walked away from it.

People are waking up to the hypocrisy of handpicking one sin to throw a tantrum about other people committing, while they commit equally grave sins on their own that they, in turn, have the audacity to staunchly defend.

People are having greater understanding of and compassion for the Burden of SSA that many people carry, and are having a Christian response of caring, loving and kindness to their struggle, as opposed to the archaic and uneducated responses of sweeping it under the rug, crassly telling people to "just walk away from it" and/or demonizing and criminalizing it out of some irrational fear that the gay would somehow rub off and infect others...

What's amazing is, that's all I did, and it triggered you. Why is that?

I'm not triggered, as an amateur student of Human psycology, I am strictly fascinated by the excuses so many use for zeroing in on a sliver in someone else's eye while they ignore the plank in their own.

I'm working on a coffee table book about it

parousia70 · Nov 30, 2018

Calminian said:
Right, but again, scripture does not say everyone is always tempted by the same things. Many are tempted to drink excessively, while others are not. Therefore, it's probably a good idea not to make free alcohol available everywhere at every event. Just because you're not tempted doesn't mean the temptation shouldn't be limited.

Sounds like a cheer for Big government regulation.

And keep in mind, condoning homosexuality (refusing to call it was it is) is just as serious a sin.

Said many an unrepentant wine Distributor and fast Food Chain Mogul to many an unrepentant Hedge Fund manager as they laughed and laughed their way right into the lake of fire, right next to the Homos they decried...

JackRT · Nov 30, 2018

blackhead said:
It’s a choice. I was raised to be straight. Homosexuality wasn’t an option when I was a kid. There were no homosexuals at school. The liberals hadn’t begun pushing their agenda.

In every nation that has ever existed at any time in history, regardless of religion or philosophy, there have always been LBGT people and always about 3-5% of the population. For these people it has never been a choice and over a great many centuries we have marginalized them, persecuted them, tortured them and even killed them and yet they are always there --- not because they wanted to be but because that is just what they are. It is time we admitted that they are people and to treat them as such.

blackhead · Nov 30, 2018

JackRT said:
In every nation that has ever existed at any time in history, regardless of religion or philosophy, there have always been LBGT people and always about 3-5% of the population. For these people it has never been a choice and over a great many centuries we have marginalized them, persecuted them, tortured them and even killed them and yet they are always there --- not because they wanted to be but because that is just what they are. It is time we admitted that they are people and to treat them as such.

It’s a choice they make and we need to call it what it is.....sin.....I won’t be kissing their backsides.

JackRT · Nov 30, 2018

blackhead said:
It’s a choice they make and we need to call it what it is.....sin.....I won’t be kissing their backsides.

I am pleased that you were able to overcome that urge.

parousia70 · Nov 30, 2018

blackhead said:
It’s a choice they make and we need to call it what it is.....sin.....

Nobody says you can't call it sin.
Such nowhere gives you the right to dehumanize or even criminalize their struggle against it.

How about I examine all your sins an decide which of them should be criminalized or decide that society should marginalize you because you commit them?

That should be Ok with you, no?

The fact is, each of us struggle with our own sin every day, and no one sin is greater than another.

Tend to your own house and you'll be fine... start sticking your holyer than thou nose in other peopels sins and look out... you migh not like it when it happens to you.

Ignore the plank in your own eye at your own peril friend.

Tomm · Nov 30, 2018

JohnB445 said:
I don't know what exactly is going to happen, I know there will be a anti-christ, tribulations that I probably cannot imagine, things will go downhill.

This is why I hope for a pre-trib rapture, but with all the confusion I know I should probably look forward to what other interpretations are in case if there isn't a pre-trib rapture. Other than that I was hoping for it doesn't happen in my lifetime, but all this hope is just part of me trying to close my eyes in a sense.

Is everything really just around the corner? 5-10 years? Or do we probably have a lot of time left 100 years+. Jesus says we just won't know the exact day or hour, but with all the signs going on we can guestimate around how close we are.

According to some learned people, the end time won't come in this era. It might be hard to believe.
They said:
* God will give time to non-Christian nations like China, India and Israel to be converted and then build Christian civilisations for the glory of God.
* for the end time to come, the Gospel must be preached to the whole world first. But it is not at this moment, think of North Korea, Islamic nations in Middle East and Israel.
* the anti-Christ has not appeared yet.
* Saint Louis de Montfort predicted that there will be an era called "the Reign of Mary", which might be what the Blessed Virgin Mary promised at Fatima in 1917. This era has not come yet.

But you may object to them, asking "are they biblical??".

Choose Wisely · Nov 30, 2018

JackRT said:
In every nation that has ever existed at any time in history, regardless of religion or philosophy, there have always been LBGT people and always about 3-5% of the population. For these people it has never been a choice and over a great many centuries we have marginalized them, persecuted them, tortured them and even killed them and yet they are always there --- not because they wanted to be but because that is just what they are. It is time we admitted that they are people and to treat them as such.

Poppycock
Isa 5
20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
21 Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!
23 Which justify the wicked for reward, and take away the righteousness of the righteous from him!

JackRT · Nov 30, 2018

Choose Wisely said:
Poppycock
Isa 5
20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
21 Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!
23 Which justify the wicked for reward, and take away the righteousness of the righteous from him!

That is excellent advice --- I suggest you take it.

Calminian · Nov 30, 2018

parousia70 said:
Sounds like a cheer for Big government regulation.

Said many an unrepentant wine Distributor and fast Food Chain Mogul to many an unrepentant Hedge Fund manager as they laughed and laughed their way right into the lake of fire, right next to the Homos they decried...

Well, the problem with this is, drinking is not a sin, in and of itself. So while we can't condemn drinking per se, we can condemn homosexuality (something you refuse to do).

And recognizing (legalizing) gay marriage (which I'm sure your are for), is actually an increase in government. I don't want government to do anything with gay marriage, just ignore it.

Calminian · Nov 30, 2018

parousia70 said:
Nobody says you can't call it sin.
Such nowhere gives you the right to dehumanize or even criminalize their struggle against it.

How about I examine all your sins an decide which of them should be criminalized or decide that society should marginalize you because you commit them?

What do you mean, criminalize? Sounds like you're engaging in propaganda. What you really mean is, you want the government to recognize gay marriage, not make it legal. It's never been against the law for any homosexuals to take vows and live together. The gay marriage issues is about forcing society to recognize these marriage for adoption and a host of other things. What you want to do is criminalize decent of homosexuality. That's really what the movement is about.

parousia70 said:
The fact is, each of us struggle with our own sin every day, and no one sin is greater than another...

This is also false. You'd be the first to cry foul is a murder of someone in your family walked because we decided that all sins are equally benign. All sins are disqualifying of heaven, but not all sins are equal, nor should they be punished equally.

Gabriel12 · Dec 1, 2018

JohnB445 said:
I don't know what exactly is going to happen, I know there will be a anti-christ, tribulations that I probably cannot imagine, things will go downhill.

This is why I hope for a pre-trib rapture, but with all the confusion I know I should probably look forward to what other interpretations are in case if there isn't a pre-trib rapture. Other than that I was hoping for it doesn't happen in my lifetime, but all this hope is just part of me trying to close my eyes in a sense.

Is everything really just around the corner? 5-10 years? Or do we probably have a lot of time left 100 years+. Jesus says we just won't know the exact day or hour, but with all the signs going on we can guestimate around how close we are.

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