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NeedyFollower said in post #178:

Christ did not come to change who God is and God is not a respecter of people .

But note that God did respect and dwell within the first Jewish temple (1 Kings 8:11), and also in the second Jewish temple, even at the time of Christ's first coming (Matthew 23:21). That's why the Church continued to worship God in the second Jewish temple (Luke 24:53, Acts 2:46, Acts 22:17). And so nothing forbids the third Jewish temple, which Revelation 11:1-2, Matthew 24:15, Daniel 11:31,36, and 2 Thessalonians 2:4 show will exist in the earthly Jerusalem during the future Tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24.

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NeedyFollower said in post #179:

I do hope for Israel ...but not secular Israel ...

Note that it will not be secular Israel which will build the third Jewish temple. Indeed, it is secular Israel which has been preventing it. See post #6 above.

Also, you are right not to hope for secular Israel, for it may not survive the future Tribulation.

The rebudding of the fig tree (Matthew 24:32) can refer to the 1948 reestablishment of Israel, just as Jesus Christ's cursing of the literal, fruitless fig tree (Matthew 21:19) foreshadowed His curse on the part of Old Covenant Israel which rejected Him (Matthew 21:43). For a fig tree can represent Israel (Hosea 9:10, Joel 1:6-7, Luke 13:6-9). And the Israel which was reestablished in 1948 is the same Old Covenant Israel which Jesus cursed at His first coming, insofar as it still mistakenly rejects Jesus and still mistakenly considers itself to be under the Old Covenant. This Israel merely "putting forth leaves" again (Matthew 24:32) in 1948 was only a restoration to what the fig tree in Matthew 21:19,43 had been before it was cursed by Jesus and then destroyed in 70 AD: a tree with leaves, but without any fruit. And the non-Christian nation-state of Old Covenant Israel which was reestablished by humans in 1948 may never bear fruit. For it could be destroyed before Jesus' Second Coming, during a future war, by a Baathist army, just as it had been destroyed in 70 AD by a Roman-empire army.

But Jesus Christ's Kingdom is still called "Israel" (John 1:49, John 12:13-15, John 19:19, Luke 22:30). And at His future, Second Coming, He will sit on the earthly throne of King David (Luke 1:32-33, Isaiah 9:7) and restore the kingdom to Israel (Acts 1:6-7, Acts 3:20-21).

NeedyFollower said in post #179:

I do hope for Israel ...but not secular Israel ...

Some people are vehemently anti-Israel, and pro-Palestinian.

But why should anyone become hyper-concerned about the Israelis' dispossession of such a small sliver of the Arabs' total land, which stretches all the way from Oman to Morocco? Why not also become hyper-concerned about, for example, the U.S.'s and Canada's dispossession of almost all of the American Indians' land, stretching across North America? Or Australia's and New Zealand's dispossession of almost all of the aborigines' land? Also, why would someone completely reject the Jews' ancestral/historical/Biblical claim to the land of Canaan? Is it possible that anti-Semitism is involved in some way? Why cannot the Jews have even such a small piece of land for themselves, especially after what happened to them in the Holocaust?

Also, the Palestinians are simply Arabs. They are not their own nationality which needs their own nation-state. They can live on any Arab land within the truly gigantic Arab territory stretching from Oman to Morocco.

So the world needs to give the Jews a break, for God's sake.
 
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Can you quote from the links where they indicate how a genetic sample from Jacob was obtained, and how was it determined to be from him and not from someone else? (For example, there are some people who claim that the Jews today are not Israelites, but "Khazars" who converted to Judaism.)

The mathematics of genetic ubiquity constitute the base of legitimacy for which subsequent genetic sampling provides empirical corroboration. The associated article provides an example establishing the mathematical basis and legitimacy for and of genetic ubiquity. To disprove genetic ubiquity in its entirety, you must first disprove its mathematical basis.

Can you quote a recognized and accepted mathematical disproof of what is in the associated article?

What do you base that on?

For note that there will still be Gentiles even in the future (Revelation 11:2).

On the portion of my post that you for some reason omitted:

There are no minimum DNA percentages in Scripture.
There are no minimum DNA percentages in the Israeli Law of Return.
Therefore, any DNA percentage qualifies.

Then do you agree that there are still Gentiles?

Of course. Ubiquity is applicable to both Jew and Gentile DNA. Every individual on earth is now genetically both a Jew, via possession of Jewish DNA, and a Gentile, via possession of Gentile DNA.

Note that there is.

There is not the slightest hint in Scripture of when a temple will be rebuilt, or who will announce that date and the associated details, or to whom they will be announced.

Those would seem to be rather essential requirements.

Unless, of course, no temple will be rebuilt.

Then their absence is perfectly understandable.
 
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Note that they should be applied to it.

That is, the end of the second Jewish temple building (also called Herod's temple building) in Jerusalem in 70 AD did not fulfill Matthew 24:2. For the stones of the second temple's Wailing Wall (also called the Western Wall) still stand today one on top of the other, just as they did when Jesus Christ spoke that prophecy. Matthew 24:2 included the Wailing Wall, for Matthew 24:2 was referring not only to the single, second temple building which stood in the center of the Temple Mount, and which contained the holy place and the most holy place, but was referring to "all these things", all the plural "buildings"/structures/oikodome (G3619) of the entire second temple complex (Matthew 24:1).

Indeed, Matthew 24:2 could even have been spoken just to the north and west of the Wailing Wall. For it was spoken right after Jesus Christ had departed from the temple complex (Matthew 24:1). And one of the main temple-complex exits (called Wilson's Arch and bridge by archaeologists) was just to the north of the Wailing Wall, and at the same level as the top of the Temple Mount (see the temple-complex map-insert in the December, 2008 issue of National Geographic magazine).

Also, in Matthew 24:2 the "here" can include not just the entire second temple complex, but every structure throughout Jerusalem. For the similar statement in Luke 19:44 applied to the whole city (Luke 19:41-44). Matthew 24:2 and Luke 19:44 could be fulfilled at the very end of the future Tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, right before and at Jesus Christ's future, Second Coming (Zechariah 14:2-21, Revelation 19:7 to 20:6).
Hmmm, that's interesting ... not fulfilled yet, includes all buildings of the Temple area. Missed that one.
 
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G_d has a plan for modern secular Israel as the Bible clearly spells out. Are you not aware of that or do you deny it? I pray for all non-believers but especially for Jews as G_d has placed them upon my heart. Yeshua Hamashiach (Jesus the Messiah) is coming again and there were approximately 15,000 Messianic Jewish believers in Israel as of 2014 and growing (Messianic Judaism Gaining Momentum in Israel). Their are also Christian Zionists; Christian Zionism merges theology and politics. It teaches that the secular State of Israel is a fulfillment of Biblical prophecy. Christian Zionism believes that this fulfillment of Biblical prophecy began when European Jews started moving to Palestine in the 1800s, and continued as Israel became a nation in 1948. Christian Zionists believe that modern Israel is a continuation of Biblical Israel and therefore should enjoy special privileges. They declare that it is the responsibility of Christians to support the State of Israel and its policies (Christian Zionism Organization).
Yes brother ...I do not own a TV or a computer ...( I am writing this from the library . ) All I do is read scriptures and history for history repeats itself ...It is why often in scripture that it is said that "their voice cries out from the dust ...in other words ..the dead or past speaking to us but I wonder are the dead speaking to the dead ..Is that why we can not hear ?
I do not deny that God has a plan for secular Israel and a plan for secular US and secular Canada and secular Russia and secular Eygpt and secular pakistan, India , Iran , Iraq ...All nations and cities that were built through blood shed and deceit ...And God has already shown what happens to a people who worship with their lips but have a heart that goes after covetousness ..He showed in Isiah's day and when God through His Son prophesied against them ....as did Jeremiah . But God hopes for better things for love believes all things and hopes all things.
I am very familiar with the Christian Zionist movement , the Balfour Declaration , etc. Zionism was supported by dispensationalist believing christians in government to bring about the return of Christ ...Many Orthodox Jews wanted nothing to do with it believing it was opposed to scripture and God's perfect will ..( God obviously allowed it and christians who do not understand that we are under a new covenant cheered ....having hearts full of hero worship and loving war ( provided we win . ) This is soooo against the gospel but believe what you will . Nationalism and patriotism never ever works humility and the voices you have been listening to do not get their "voice " by being humble and meek ...they rose to power by pursuing it ..we have watch too much John Wayne and Rambo ....we are very deceived ...Christian Zionism ...yeah , lets go kick some muslim butt ...Let's kill , steal and destroy like Jesus asked us to ...oh , wait ..that was someone else that steals , kills and destroys ..my bad.
 
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The Word of God contains much literal truth and much spiritual truth.

Would you agree?

My Bible teachers always said there were literal, spiritual, historical and prophetic parts to all scripture for us to research and dig for. All Biblical scripture fits as one; if we interpret scripture and find even one that contradicts our interpretation then we do not have it totally right.

You will find I am not one to lock in to "isms" but rather one that seeks the Holy Spirit to reveal the Truth to me. I learn more with each passing day about how little I know and understand. However when G_d says it is everlasting and eternal I will not be moved by any man's words.
 
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My Bible teachers always said there were literal, spiritual, historical and prophetic parts to all scripture for us to research and dig for. All Biblical scripture fits as one; if we interpret scripture and find even one that contradicts our interpretation then we do not have it totally right.

I'd certainly agree.

So what do you consider contradictory?
 
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I'd certainly agree.

So what do you consider contradictory?

Anything that is mutually opposed or inconsistent with the Word or Character of G_d.

One must establish a personal relationship with G_d the Father, Yeshua (Jesus) and the ask the Holy Spirit to search out every part of you to root out every part of selfishness and fill every space within you so that you can serve G_d and others to your fullest potential. This you must do daily.
 
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Anything that is mutually opposed or inconsistent with the Word or Character of G_d.

One must establish a personal relationship with G_d the Father, Yeshua (Jesus) and the ask the Holy Spirit to search out every part of you to root out every part of selfishness and fill every space within you so that you can serve G_d and others to your fullest potential.

Agreed.

Example of something you consider contradictory?
 
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My upbringing to be a soldier first and my need to forgive others when they offend me.
OK.

What about something contradictory in Scripture?

In post 191, you alleged that I don't consider Scripture to be literal. I replied that I consider it to be both literal and spiritual. So I presumed that you discerned a contradiction. What is it?
 
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You do not seem to accept the literal nature what scripture describes comes along with the Second Coming of Jesus. While He is coming for His Bride the Church He is also coming to destroy the Kingdoms of this world that have come to destroy Israel and Jerusalem.

Zechariah 9 New International Reader's Version (NIRV)
The Lord Destroys Israel’s Enemies
9 This is a prophecy.

It is the Lord’s message
against the land of Hadrak.
He will judge Damascus.
That’s because all the tribes of Israel look to him.
So do all other people.
2 The Lord will judge Hamath too.
It’s next to Damascus.
He will also punish Tyre and Sidon
even though they are very clever.
3 Tyre’s people have built a fort for themselves.
They’ve piled up silver like dust.
They have as much gold as the dirt in the streets.
4 But the Lord will take away everything they have.
He’ll destroy their power on the Mediterranean Sea.
And Tyre will be completely burned up.
5 Ashkelon will see it and become afraid.
Gaza will groan with pain.
So will Ekron. Its hope will vanish.
Gaza will no longer have a king.
Ashkelon will be deserted.
6 A people who come from several nations will take over Ashdod.
The Lord says, “I will put an end to the pride of the Philistines.
7 They will no longer drink the blood of their animal sacrifices.
I will remove the ‘unclean’ food from between their teeth.
The Philistines who are left will belong to our God.
They will become a family group in Judah.
And Ekron will be like the Jebusites.
So the Philistines will become part of Israel.
8 But I will camp at my temple.
I will guard it against enemy armies.
No one will ever crush my people again.
I will make sure it does not happen.

A King Comes to Zion
9 “City of Zion, be full of joy!
People of Jerusalem, shout!
See, your king comes to you.
He always does what is right.
He has won the victory.
He is humble and riding on a donkey.
He is sitting on a donkey’s colt.
10 I will take the chariots away from Ephraim.
I will remove the war horses from Jerusalem.
I will break the bows that are used in battle.
Your king will announce peace to the nations.
He will rule from ocean to ocean.
His kingdom will reach from the Euphrates River
to the ends of the earth.
11 I will set your prisoners free
from where their enemies are keeping them.
I will do it because of the blood
that put into effect my covenant with you.
12 Return to your place of safety,
you prisoners who still have hope.
Even now I announce that I will give you back
much more than you had before.
13 I will bend Judah as I bend my bow.
I will make Ephraim’s people my arrows.
Zion, I will stir up your sons.
Greece, they will attack your sons.
My people, I will use you as my sword.”

The Lord Will Appear
14 Then the Lord will appear over his people.
His arrows will flash like lightning.
The Lord and King will blow the trumpet of his thunder.
He’ll march out like a storm in the south.
15 The Lord who rules over all
will be like a shield to his people.
They will destroy their enemies.
They’ll use slings to throw stones at them.
They’ll drink the blood of their enemies
as if it were wine.
They’ll be full like the bowl that is used
for sprinkling the corners of the altar.
16 The Lord their God will save his people on that day.
He will be like a shepherd who saves his flock.
They will gleam in his land
like jewels in a crown.
17 How very beautiful they will be!
Grain and fresh wine
will make the young men and young women strong.


Zechariah 12:6-9 6"On that day I will make the clans of Judah like a firepot in a woodpile, like a flaming torch among sheaves. They will consume all the surrounding peoples right and left, but Jerusalem will remain intact in her place. 7"The LORD will save the dwellings of Judah first, so that the honor of the house of David and of Jerusalem's inhabitants may not be greater than that of Judah. 8On that day the LORD will shield those who live in Jerusalem, so that the feeblest among them will be like David, and the house of David will be like God, like the angel of the LORD going before them. 9On that day I will set out to destroy all the nations that attack Jerusalem.

Ezekiel Chapter 38

1 And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,

2 Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him,

3 And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:

4 And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords:

5 Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them with shield and helmet:

6 Gomer, and all his bands; the house of Togarmah of the north quarters, and all his bands: and many people with thee.

7 Be thou prepared, and prepare for thyself, thou, and all thy company that are assembled unto thee, and be thou a guard unto them.

8 After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.

9 Thou shalt ascend and come like a storm, thou shalt be like a cloud to cover the land, thou, and all thy bands, and many people with thee.

10 Thus saith the Lord GOD; It shall also come to pass, that at the same time shall things come into thy mind, and thou shalt think an evil thought:

11 And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates,

12 To take a spoil, and to take a prey; to turn thine hand upon the desolate places that are now inhabited, and upon the people that are gathered out of the nations, which have gotten cattle and goods, that dwell in the midst of the land.

13 Sheba, and Dedan, and the merchants of Tarshish, with all the young lions thereof, shall say unto thee, Art thou come to take a spoil? hast thou gathered thy company to take a prey? to carry away silver and gold, to take away cattle and goods, to take a great spoil?

14 Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say unto Gog, Thus saith the Lord GOD; In that day when my people of Israel dwelleth safely, shalt thou not know it?

15 And thou shalt come from thy place out of the north parts, thou, and many people with thee, all of them riding upon horses, a great company, and a mighty army:

16 And thou shalt come up against my people of Israel, as a cloud to cover the land; it shall be in the latter days, and I will bring thee against my land, that the heathen may know me, when I shall be sanctified in thee, O Gog, before their eyes.

17 Thus saith the Lord GOD; Art thou he of whom I have spoken in old time by my servants the prophets of Israel, which prophesied in those days many years that I would bring thee against them?

18 And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, that my fury shall come up in my face.

19 For in my jealousy and in the fire of my wrath have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel;

20 So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground.

21 And I will call for a sword against him throughout all my mountains, saith the Lord GOD: every man's sword shall be against his brother.

22 And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that are with him, an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone.



23 Thus will I magnify myself, and sanctify myself; and I will be known in the eyes of many nations, and they shall know that I am the LORD.
 
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What (or who) is Hadrak?

ha'-drak, had'-rak (chadhrakh): "The land of Hadrach" is mentioned only once in Scripture (Zechariah 9:1), and there it is grouped with Damascus, Hamath, Tyre and Sidon. It may be safely identified with the "Hatarikka" of the Assyrian inscriptions, against which Assur-dan III made expeditions in his 1st (772 B.C.), 8th and 18th years. It also appears in inscriptions of Tiglath-pileser III. They place it in the North of Lebanon.
 
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jgr said in post #184:

Genetically, everyone on earth is a Jew, possessing Jewish DNA.

Note that possessing minute amounts of Jewish DNA does not make someone a Jew, just as possessing minute amounts of American Indian DNA does not make someone an American Indian.

Also, even though all nations have always been from one blood (Acts 17:26), note that God still distinguishes between Jews and Gentiles today, for He will still distinguish between them in the future (e.g. Romans 11:25-29, Revelation 11:2).

Also, how was a DNA sample from Jacob obtained, and how was it determined to be from him and not from someone else? (For example, there are some people who claim that the Jews today are not Israelites, but "Khazars" who converted to Judaism.)

jgr said in post #184:

There is not the slightest hint in Scripture of when a temple will be rebuilt . . .

Note that there is. For Revelation 11:1-2, Matthew 24:15, Daniel 11:31,36, and 2 Thessalonians 2:4 show that there will be a third Jewish temple in the earthly Jerusalem during the future Tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24.

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jgr said in post #188:

It's amazing what one can miss when one is not a fantasy futurist.

Note that preterists and historicists must employ huge amounts of fantasy in their attempts to claim that the Tribulation has already happened.

But the truth is that just as the highly detailed Tribulation events of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 have never been fulfilled, so the Tribulation events of Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21 have never been fulfilled. For example, Luke 21:24 refers to the same, future treading down of Jerusalem by the Gentiles as Revelation 11:2b, during the future Antichrist's literal, 42-month worldwide reign (Revelation 13:5-18), the details of which time period are shown from four different angles in Revelation chapters 11 to 14 (Revelation 11:2b-3, Revelation 12:6,14, Revelation 13:5,7, Revelation 14:9-13). The myriad details of these chapters have never been fulfilled. Similarly, Jesus Christ's Second Coming and the Church's gathering together (rapture) in Matthew 24:30-31 (2 Thessalonians 2:1-8; 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17) have never been fulfilled, but must occur "immediately after" the future Tribulation of Matthew 24, Mark 13, Luke 21, and Revelation chapters 6 to 18 (Matthew 24:29-31; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8, Revelation 19:2 to 20:6).
 
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The Gryphon said in post #189:

When Jesus comes back the scripture says He will fight all those that have surrounded Jerusalem, Israel to destroy it.

Great point.

For Zechariah 14 is about Jesus Christ's future, Second Coming with all of His saints (Zechariah 14:5b; 1 Thessalonians 3:13b), in the sense of all Christians of all times; and about the subsequent Millennium, when Jesus will rule the earth from Jerusalem (Zechariah 14:8-21, Micah 4:1-4). Zechariah 14:3 refers to the Second-Coming battle of Revelation 19:19-21. And Zechariah 14:4 shows that at Jesus' Second Coming, He will physically land on the Mount of Olives, just as at the end of His first coming, He physically ascended from the Mount of Olives. Acts 1:11-12 says that Jesus will return in like manner as He left.

Before Jesus Christ returns, at the very end of the future Tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24 the world's armies will gather at a staging area at Armageddon (Revelation 16:14,16) (Har Megiddo, Mount Megiddo in northern Israel). They will then move south and pillage Jerusalem right before Jesus returns and totally defeats them (Zechariah 14:2-5, Revelation 19:19-21). Jesus will then remain on the earth as King (Zechariah 14:9), and the non-Christians left alive on the earth (Matthew 24:40) will be forced to come up to Jerusalem and worship Him annually (Zechariah 14:16-19). Jesus and the physically resurrected Church will rule the non-Christian survivors of the nations with a rod of iron during the Millennium (Revelation 2:26-29, Revelation 5:10, Revelation 20:4-6).

Also, Zechariah 12:2-14 refers to the same future time as Zechariah 14.

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The Gryphon said in post #190:

It is also amazing what you miss when you refuse to even consider the Word of G_d could be literally true.

Amen.

And even the book of Revelation is almost entirely literal, for it is unsealed (Revelation 22:10), meaning that it should not be difficult for Christians of any time to understand it if they simply read it as it is written: chronologically, and almost-entirely literally. The few parts of it which are symbolic are almost always explained afterward (e.g. Revelation 1:20, Revelation 17:9-12). And Revelation's few symbols not explained afterward (e.g. Revelation 13:2) are usually explained elsewhere in the Bible (e.g. Daniel 7:4-7,17).

Just as Jesus Christ's future, Second Coming in Revelation 19:7 to 20:3 will be fulfilled almost entirely literally, so the events of the just-preceding Tribulation in Revelation chapters 6 to 18 will be fulfilled almost entirely literally. Also, the Millennium in Revelation 20:4-6 will be literal, and will begin right after Jesus' Second Coming (Revelation 19:7 to 20:6, Zechariah 14:3-21), when He will reign on the earth with the physically resurrected Church for 1,000 years (Revelation 20:4-6, Revelation 5:10, Revelation 2:26-29, Psalms 66:3-4, Psalms 72:8-11). After that, the events of Revelation 20:7 to 22:5 will occur literally.
 
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Note that possessing minute amounts of Jewish DNA does not make someone a Jew, just as possessing minute amounts of American Indian DNA does not make someone an American Indian.

What amount of Jewish DNA do Scripture or the Israeli Law of Return say does make someone a Jew?

What amount of American Indian DNA do Scripture or the Israeli Law of Return say does make someone an American Indian?

Also, how was a DNA sample from Jacob obtained, and how was it determined to be from him and not from someone else?

What recognized and accepted mathematical disproof of the mathematical basis of ubiquity can you quote?

Note that there is. For Revelation 11:1-2, Matthew 24:15, Daniel 11:31,36, and 2 Thessalonians 2:4 show that there will be a third Jewish temple in the earthly Jerusalem during the future Tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24.

When is that tribulation?
 
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ha'-drak, had'-rak (chadhrakh): "The land of Hadrach" is mentioned only once in Scripture (Zechariah 9:1), and there it is grouped with Damascus, Hamath, Tyre and Sidon. It may be safely identified with the "Hatarikka" of the Assyrian inscriptions, against which Assur-dan III made expeditions in his 1st (772 B.C.), 8th and 18th years. It also appears in inscriptions of Tiglath-pileser III. They place it in the North of Lebanon.
In order for the prophecy to be understood, its reference to the "land of Hadrach" must be to what was a literal geographic area, e.g. in the North of Lebanon, which had recognized literal boundaries. Would you agree?
 
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Scripture had a literal application at the time of the writing. It also often referred to a historical application and may refer to a future or prophetic application. One must not forget to search out its spiritual application as well. If you are trying to make a point then make it.
 
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Scripture had a literal application at the time of the writing. It also often referred to a historical application and may refer to a future or prophetic application. One must not forget to search out its spiritual application as well. If you are trying to make a point then make it.

The point is that the literal "land of Hadrach" with recognized literal boundaries existed in the ancient past, but no longer exists. It does not appear on any contemporary geopolitical map.

Therefore, any prophetic fulfillments associated with it (which I agree are almost certainly literal), would have occurred while the literal "land of Hadrach" and its recognized literal boundaries still existed.

A reference to the historical record of Alexander the Great reveals that much of what is described in Zechariah 9 is consistent with the circumstances of his conquest of that area in the 4th century BC.
 
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