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...uhmmm...just because some people don't want to accept the truth, that doesn't change what is true. President Trump lies. He lies about things that can easily be shown that he's lying about them. That's not an "opinion" that's not a "narrative" it's simply the truth. :wave:
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that is your opinion which i do not share - the lies of everyone in politics are ignored - and everything trump says is called lies - sorry but not falling for that

when EVERYONE'S lies are pointed out then we can talk - until then your opinion is noted but rejected as purely opinion
 
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You do understand, this has nothing to do with "msm", right? It's simply a fact that President Trump tends to lie. A lot. And about stuff that can easily be shown to be lies. That's not an "opinion" or a "point of view" that's a simple, verifiable fact. :sorry:
tulc(just thought that should be pointed out) :wave:

Exactly. See my signature for where Trump is called out by his buddies at Fox News for the falsehood that he wrote & said himself.
 
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yep - i can see silly season - i remember when hrc was running against obama - the things he and bernie said about her being crooked - then after the election obama praises her and adds her to his cabinet - silly season describes it perfectly

The silliness exists all year long just in small doses, but come right about the beginning of Sept (in a voting year) it seems to kick into high gear. The airwaves, websites and newspapers get flooded with all kinds of nonsense aimed at swaying the casual and Charlie Brown (wishy washy) voters over to their side. It all seems to revolve around character assassination rather than something bad they've actually done, insinuation is the rule of the day.
 
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The self appointed academia crowd has a bad habit of doing that.
globalism used to be the war cry of the elitist leaders - now the new younger political players are calling for socialism using fascist tactics - so things keep evolving as the career politicians look for something to attract voters who are leaning toward trump and his accomplishments
 
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globalism used to be the war cry of the elitist leaders

Globalism is a fact. What to do about it is the question. You aren't going to be able to reverse it. Do you suppose North Korea and Venezuela are reversing globalism? Do you imagine Trump is going to do it? The UK narrowly voted against it, and now it's in danger of fracturing into several nations.

Britain’s exit from the EU could tempt Scots to vote to sever ties with the United Kingdom in a second independence referendum, an opinion poll showed on Sunday (2 September).


Scotland voted against independence from the UK in 2014, but a subsequent referendum on leaving the EU has reignited debate over its long-term future as one of Britain’s four constituent parts alongside England, Wales, and Northern Ireland.


In 2016, a majority of Scottish voters backed staying in the EU, while Britain as a whole, voted to leave, meaning that Britain is now due to leave the EU on March 29 2019.


The poll showed that if Britain leaves the EU as planned, 47% of Scots would vote for independence at another referendum on Scotland’s future. That compared to 43% who would vote against independence and 10% who did not know how they would vote.
Brexit: The case for Scottish independence


now the new younger political players are calling for socialism using fascist tactics

Voting and demonstrating? "Those evil millennials are resorting to democratic methods!"

According to a new Morning Consult/Politico tracking poll conducted earlier this month, 69% of Millennials support a government-funded, Medicare for all healthcare system.
https://splinternews.com/69-of-millennials-support-medicare-for-all-1826867395

Ironically, Trump and the republicans may have accomplished what the socialists couldn't do; convince Americans that national health care is a better option.


 
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Apparently, not just millennials:
The majority of Americans now support single-payer health care, according to a new poll released Friday.

The Washington Post-Kaiser Family Foundation poll shows 51 percent of Americans support single-payer, while 43 percent oppose it.

Single-payer is popular with Democrats, with 74 percent supporting it, according to the poll. Fifty-four percent of independents support single payer while 80 percent of Republicans oppose it.

Polling conducted last summer by the Kaiser Family Foundation found similar results: 53 percent supported single-payer.

Single-payer isn't likely to go anywhere in a Republican-controlled Congress with a Republican president, but more Democrats in recent years have announced support for it.

Sen. Bernie Sanders's (I-Vt.) single-payer "Medicare for All" bill has 16 Democratic co-sponsors, many of whom are expected to run for president in 2020.

The poll also found ObamaCare continues to enjoy support from the majority of Americans, with 53 percent supporting it and 41 percent opposing it.

The poll has was conducted Jan. 24 to Feb. 22 among 1,850 people and has a margin of error of 3 percentage points.

Poll: Slim majority of Americans support single-payer health care
 
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Globalism is a fact. What to do about it is the question. You aren't going to be able to reverse it. Do you suppose North Korea and Venezuela are reversing globalism? Do you imagine Trump is going to do it? The UK narrowly voted against it, and now it's in danger of fracturing into several nations.

Britain’s exit from the EU could tempt Scots to vote to sever ties with the United Kingdom in a second independence referendum, an opinion poll showed on Sunday (2 September).


Scotland voted against independence from the UK in 2014, but a subsequent referendum on leaving the EU has reignited debate over its long-term future as one of Britain’s four constituent parts alongside England, Wales, and Northern Ireland.


In 2016, a majority of Scottish voters backed staying in the EU, while Britain as a whole, voted to leave, meaning that Britain is now due to leave the EU on March 29 2019.


The poll showed that if Britain leaves the EU as planned, 47% of Scots would vote for independence at another referendum on Scotland’s future. That compared to 43% who would vote against independence and 10% who did not know how they would vote.
Brexit: The case for Scottish independence




Voting and demonstrating? "Those evil millennials are resorting to democratic methods!"

According to a new Morning Consult/Politico tracking poll conducted earlier this month, 69% of Millennials support a government-funded, Medicare for all healthcare system.
https://splinternews.com/69-of-millennials-support-medicare-for-all-1826867395

Ironically, Trump and the republicans may have accomplished what the socialists couldn't do; convince Americans that national health care is a better option.
informative - thanks

HEALTH CARE
health care for all is for sure a serious need - i was looking forward to repeal and replace happening - the d-care plan didn't work for most americans - the r-care plan does not exist - it needs to get done - the worst parts of d-care are gone by eo - the d's and r's couldn't pass anything into law - not good - people need it to happen - d's and r's need to get it done

GLOBALISM VS NATIONALISM
what in you opinion is the strength and weaknesses of each?

what do you see as the solution?
 
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health care for all is for sure a serious need - i was looking forward to repeal and replace happening

There's no way to make it work. Even Obamacare is automatically less efficient than national health care, since in addition to paying providers, one also has to pay the insurance companies. Even if health care delivery was as efficient here as it is in other countries, we still have to pay the middleman.

the d-care plan didn't work for most americans

Most Americans already had plans through work or medicare. But a sizeable minority were left out. That's why, each change in Obamacare leads to more Americans without medical care. I've become convinced that a single-payer plan is what needs to happen.

the r-care plan does not exist - it needs to get done

That was the problem. There was no alternative other than, "we'll just have to let it get worse and worse."

- the worst parts of d-care are gone by eo

The penalty was something the insurance companies needed to have enough people in the pool to be able to offer coverage. That's why we see fewer companies offering it, and more and more people uninsured. Which saves no one money. They end up using ERs as primary care, and then everyone else pays for the charity.

GLOBALISM VS NATIONALISM
what in you opinion is the strength and weaknesses of each?

Globalism means we have a world economy. Which means, for a free-market person, that we will get optimum allocation of goods and services. China, which had lower wages, is able to sell products to other countries, because it can produce things more inexpensively. Then, (as is now happening) wages rise, and manufacturing in the U.S. sees an uptick. But not everything.

Japanese government puts tariffs on U.S. rice to protect Japanese rice farmers. But the Japanese public then thinks maybe U.S. rice must be better, and buys it anyway. Tariff goes down, and Japanese farmers sell more rice.

So that's great. Another issue is wealthy people being able to get multiple citizenships to various nations to avoid taxes, which isn't so great.

The notion that piracy and genocide are crimes against humanity that can be punished by international laws, is a good and just one. Sovereignty matters though. Self-determination of peoples is a key idea, and rules that violate that are harmful. What if "self-determination" means killing Muslims (or any other group of people) and enslaving their children?

Then we have international laws that apply, and should. Like the Constitution, there are all sorts of uncertain things at the border of rights vs. rights. No one said it would be easy.

Nationalism should mean that a people should be self-governing, but should not mean that one nation puts itself over another. We can be proud of our nation, since we started a movement toward democracy that has freed many people. We also have some things we shouldn't be so proud of. I was never a believer in American exceptionalism. We just happened to have a group of exceptionally wise and competent thinkers who founded our nation; we haven't always lived up to their ideals. And they were products of their time. Not all of them saw that slavery was a terrible evil; most of them saw no reason to give women the same rights as men.

Nationalism, like individualism, is good and produces good results, so long as it doesn't intrude on the rights of others. One of the things that ended malignant feudalism was nationalism.

On the other hand, one of the things that ended malignant nationalism in the 30s was globalism.

what do you see as the solution?

Pragmatism. Impose nothing for which there is not a demonstrated need. And every so often, trim the rules back, just on principle.

But rules are essential. One of the craziest things Trump wants to do, is end our membership in the international postal union. It's throwing a brick through a window, just to hear the glass break.
 
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globalism used to be the war cry of the elitist leaders - now the new younger political players are calling for socialism using fascist tactics - so things keep evolving as the career politicians look for something to attract voters who are leaning toward trump and his accomplishments

Just trying to hide who they really are by using other terms the sheeple aren't familiar with but sound good/trendy.
 
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Just trying to ... sound good/trendy.
i see it the same way - but i have been reading some interesting material today and i am seeing the msm narratives are pervasive - i would like to help others see the truth about trump but at this point it seems like a lot of work for very little reward

God bless you my friend - i so much appreciate and agree with your pov - it is refreshing to hear your defense of what i too consider truth - there are actually many more of us imo - as per the phone surveys where they say when 1000 are called less than 300 answer - leading the surveyors to believe those who refuse to answer are probably trump supporters who don't want to reveal themselves

i guess we will see nov 6 what happens - so i think i will get back to prayer for nov 6 and supporting my fellow conservatives who love america and potus and pray fervently for all

i wish everyone would love america / potus / the anthem / flag / due process / rule of law / innocent until proven guilty / etc - so that women children men aliens minorities citizens would all be taken care of properly and fairly
 
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There's no way to make it work. Even Obamacare is automatically less efficient than national health care, since in addition to paying providers, one also has to pay the insurance companies. Even if health care delivery was as efficient here as it is in other countries, we still have to pay the middleman.

Most Americans already had plans through work or medicare. But a sizeable minority were left out. That's why, each change in Obamacare leads to more Americans without medical care. I've become convinced that a single-payer plan is what needs to happen.

That was the problem. There was no alternative other than, "we'll just have to let it get worse and worse."

The penalty was something the insurance companies needed to have enough people in the pool to be able to offer coverage. That's why we see fewer companies offering it, and more and more people uninsured. Which saves no one money. They end up using ERs as primary care, and then everyone else pays for the charity.

Globalism means we have a world economy. Which means, for a free-market person, that we will get optimum allocation of goods and services. China, which had lower wages, is able to sell products to other countries, because it can produce things more inexpensively. Then, (as is now happening) wages rise, and manufacturing in the U.S. sees an uptick. But not everything.

Japanese government puts tariffs on U.S. rice to protect Japanese rice farmers. But the Japanese public then thinks maybe U.S. rice must be better, and buys it anyway. Tariff goes down, and Japanese farmers sell more rice.

So that's great. Another issue is wealthy people being able to get multiple citizenships to various nations to avoid taxes, which isn't so great.

The notion that piracy and genocide are crimes against humanity that can be punished by international laws, is a good and just one. Sovereignty matters though. Self-determination of peoples is a key idea, and rules that violate that are harmful. What if "self-determination" means killing Muslims (or any other group of people) and enslaving their children?

Then we have international laws that apply, and should. Like the Constitution, there are all sorts of uncertain things at the border of rights vs. rights. No one said it would be easy.

Nationalism should mean that a people should be self-governing, but should not mean that one nation puts itself over another. We can be proud of our nation, since we started a movement toward democracy that has freed many people. We also have some things we shouldn't be so proud of. I was never a believer in American exceptionalism. We just happened to have a group of exceptionally wise and competent thinkers who founded our nation; we haven't always lived up to their ideals. And they were products of their time. Not all of them saw that slavery was a terrible evil; most of them saw no reason to give women the same rights as men.

Nationalism, like individualism, is good and produces good results, so long as it doesn't intrude on the rights of others. One of the things that ended malignant feudalism was nationalism.

On the other hand, one of the things that ended malignant nationalism in the 30s was globalism.

Pragmatism. Impose nothing for which there is not a demonstrated need. And every so often, trim the rules back, just on principle.

But rules are essential. One of the craziest things Trump wants to do, is end our membership in the international postal union. It's throwing a brick through a window, just to hear the glass break.
thanks - very informative - i agree with most of what you have said

what do you mean about ending our membership in the international postal union? - i don't know what that means -

are you talking about the unfair trade deals? - i am totally on board with free and fair trade for everyone - INCLUDING america -

trump is right - america IS the world's piggy bank - and that is so unfair - americans deserve to have a chance to prosper too - why do americans have to struggle to feed their families and take care of their medical needs? - why do their taxes go everywhere EXCEPT to their health care and safety and prosperity? - we need to take care of american homeless / poor / sick / etc BEFORE we consider giving away billions in trade and aid to everyone BUT americans

iow we have to take care of our own american family FIRST - and our family right now is doing better since trump - but our family needs MUCH more - our family still has GREAT needs - the politicians need to take care of americans better - and THEN all americans will be 100% behind taking care of the rest of the world
 
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thanks - very informative - i agree with most of what you have said

what do you mean about ending our membership in the international postal union? - i don't know what that means -

US announces intent to withdraw from international postal rate system

are you talking about the unfair trade deals? - i am totally on board with free and fair trade for everyone - INCLUDING america -

It's really costing the people of those developing nations money, like all such differentials, it makes them less competitive.

trump is right - america IS the world's piggy bank - and that is so unfair

Turns out, we aren't even in the top ten for foreign aid as a percent of GDP:
https://assets.weforum.org/editor/fkSWt3c1vNE-j-RCwuZGcTlqTLsxsAMMvgp-8JvhnHY.png

And as far as trade goes, we profit by a balance of payment deficits, in terms of our economy:
Here’s another look at the balance of payments data back to 1980 (BEA data here), demonstrating graphically Don Boudreaux’s statement that “another name for “U.S. trade deficit” is the “U.S. capital-account surplus” – that is, inflows of investment funds into America that supply (directly or indirectly) financing for more capital creation in America.”

As a direct consequence of our current account deficits, the U.S. economy has been the beneficiary of more than $8 trillion worth of capital inflows from foreigners since 1980. Because the Balance of Payment accounts are based on double-entry bookkeeping, the annual current account and capital account have to net to zero, so that any current account (trade) deficit (surplus) is offset one-to-one by a capital account surplus (deficit) and the balance of payments therefore always nets out to (equals) zero. And that’s why it’s called the “balance” of payments, because once we account for trade flows and capital flows, everything balances, and there are no deficits or surpluses on a net basis.

Another Name for "Trade Deficit" is "Capital Account Surplus," Balance of Payments Always = 0 - AEI

americans deserve to have a chance to prosper too

Turns out, we do. The irony is that currency manipulation and dumping hurts the economy of the states that do it. Because most of them tend to be (at least in theory) command economies, they don't get why the market does this.

Once upon a time, protectionist forces would complain about dumping. It was the practice, they said, in which our trading partners engaged by selling their products in our market at a price lower than in their own markets. But under world trade rules (then and now), to establish dumping, it was not just a matter of selling in foreign markets at a rate lower than in the home market. It had to entail selling below cost to the detriment of industry of the importing market.

The accusation was most often made against Japan. But all our trading partners were accused on occasion of dumping. Because it was hard to prove, protectionist forces eventually gave up on the allegation. Moreover, free traders (myself included) were prone to defending our trading partners insofar as we would argue that countries like Japan were not so much dumping as they were dealing with a weak currency (which encourages exports and makes imports more costly).
Column: Currency manipulation is not cheating on trade


- why do americans have to struggle to feed their families and take care of their medical needs? -

It's not foreign nations who are the bad guys here. Since the 1970s, worker productivity has been strongly rising, but wages have been stagnant. The guys who are actually producing for the economy are getting a smaller and smaller share of the wealth.
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-84d4b2ca877ab789a13198e55a6effb8

Don't look to China, look at the boardrooms of American companies.

why do their taxes go everywhere EXCEPT to their health care and safety and prosperity?

Because Congress has been in the pocket of those who want to keep it that way.

we need to take care of american homeless / poor / sick / etc BEFORE we consider giving away billions in trade and aid to everyone BUT americans

That's not where the money is going. In fact, dumping and monetary finagling actually means consumers pay less for products.
 
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Trump most honest President in modern history

"The Donald" certainly has the full approval of "Cesar Altieri," the individual accused of sending 16 letter bombs to Trump's critics, by referring to him as the "greatest Commander Chief" in a birthday greeting!
 
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Honest people despise and/or pity him for being a compulsive liar, but I don't think either qualifies as hate.

Honest people would admit you can't believe everything you read and admit you can't believe everything you hear. But since they can't and want to think they're voting for more honest "Liars" I have a nice 2 story house (with basement of course) in the Atchafalaya Basin to sell them.
 
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Honest people would admit you can't believe everything you read and admit you can't believe everything you hear. So if the others think that they're voting for more honest "Liars" I have a nice 2 story house (with basement of course) in the Atchafalaya Basin to sell them.
the lies of all the other politicians are never reported - and everything trump says gets called a lie - o well - americans see msm for what it is - waiting for nov 6 so msm can get another reality check
 
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the lies of all the other politicians are never reported - and everything trump says gets called a lie - o well - americans see msm for what it is - waiting for nov 6 so msm can get another reality check

You must mean some like this one that keeps on giving to this day: "If you like your doctor and like your insurance plan you can keep them"!!

The latest rhetoric from the MSM now seems to be "the blue wave isn't a sure thing and all Democrat supporters need to get excited and come out to vote". Considering that for almost a year we've been hearing from them it was a sure thing shows how worried they are over the latest polls.
 
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You must mean some like this one that keeps on giving to this day: "If you like your doctor and like your insurance plan you can keep them"!!

The latest rhetoric from the MSM now seems to be "the blue wave isn't a sure thing and all Democrat supporters need to get excited and come out to vote". Considering that for almost a year we've been hearing from them it was a sure thing shows how worried they are over the latest polls.
yes - if trump had said those things they would be called lies -

i realize as a former msm'er that when i was drinking the msm koolaid i didn't see the misdirect and subtle spin - innuendo - key detail omissions - etc

just heard an hour ago that cbs had facts that proved 2 of the kavanagh accusers were lying but they withheld the info - good thing grassley is going after some of these false accusers - hope he goes after them all - and the media that obstructed
 
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informative - thanks

HEALTH CARE
health care for all is for sure a serious need - i was looking forward to repeal and replace happening - the d-care plan didn't work for most americans - the r-care plan does not exist - it needs to get done - the worst parts of d-care are gone by eo - the d's and r's couldn't pass anything into law - not good - people need it to happen - d's and r's need to get it done

This is an older article but from what I'm hearing it's speading slowly but surely across the country. Last I heard there are now somewhere between 5-20K doctors in the country doing this now. For young people this and a low priced catastrophic policy would be the way to go.

Dr. Josh Umbehr on the Concierge Medicine Revolution - The Objective Standard
 
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