Heaven Hell Hades Sheol Paradise abrahams Bosom

The Christian does not go straight to heaven when they die:
And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. 40 For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.’ john6:39&40

When is the last day?
Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. The earth and the heavens fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done. 14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15 Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.
Then I saw ‘a new heaven and a new earth,’a]'>[a] for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. 2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, ‘Look! God’s dwelling-place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. 4 “He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death”b]'>[b] or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.’
Rev20:11-15&21:1-4

The last day Christ referred to is the last day of this present earth. On that day is the general resurrection of the dead. Immediatley following this, the old earth and the old Heaven will pass away, and a new earth and a new heaven(the new Jerusalem) will come. It is there, that God will dwell with His people.
There is a resurrection one thousand years earlier for a limited amount of people(Rev20:4&5) but the general resurrection of the dead is what most focus on.
What is the name of the place we go to when we die? Various names have been used. Take your pick

Natsumi Lam said:

Hi Family,

I dont know if this has been posted before.

I hope to get more clarity about death.

If someone dies who is saved or unsaved where does he go ( verses please)

Can you please differentiate
Hell
Hades
Lake of fire
The pirr
Paradise
Abrahams Bosom
Sheol
Heaven
...

~Natsumi Lam~

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I believe they are different names for Heaven and Hell. When we die in Christ we go to heaven. Unbelievers go to Hell.

We are confident, I say, and would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord. (2 Corinthians 5:8, 1984 NIV)

There is dispute among reasonable people about the meaning of the various names used to refer to "bad places" and "good places." I haven't felt it particularly important other than recognize there are places that it is good to be and places it is bad to be.

When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained. They called out in a loud voice, “How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?” (Revelation 6:9-10, 1984 NIV)

Natsumi Lam said:

I hope to get more clarity about death.

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It is when we cease to live.

That happens at Gods decission to end life.

What happens next depends on whether one is a Christian or not.
Christians go to be with God, while non christians are shut out from Gods prescence.

At death we move from being in time to being out of time so when the last judgement etc happens in eternity is outside of time.

Whether there are intermidate places is irrelevent, we are either with God or shut out from Gopd, whether via purgotory or other place doesn't matter.

Natsumi Lam said:

I would like to know the difference between the functions of the final destinations.

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They are either places of reward or places of punishment.
I know how to atain the one and avoid the other and have no interest in what differences are revealed by the use of different names.

Hell or Hel - means "a covered place " as used in the original AV for "grave" in the NT
Hades - the grave, NT. The place of the dead. Where everyone goes when they die.
Lake of fire - I have often heard it is a Jewish idiom meaning total destruction. It very well could be a real lake of fire, where Satan, the Beast, the false prophet, death and hell (the grave), along with those already dead ones not written in the book of life Rev 20:10-15 , if there are any. The way that verse (vs 15) is written in many Bibles, I think all at the White Throne Judgment will have life. Another reason is Psalms 1:5, "The ungodly will not stand in the judgment."
The pirr - ???
Paradise - Non-existent today. Associated with the 3rd Heaven in 2Cor 12:1-5. (3rd Heaven in time = the future New Heavens. The 2nd Heaven exists today - the 1st earth in Gen 1:1 became without form and void after Lucifer's rebellion and was remade in 6 days along with the 2nd Heaven). Paradise will be on the New (3rd) Earth. See Rev 2:7 and all of Rev 22
Abraham's Bosom - a fictional place conceived by Jewish traditions - see Josephus' "Discourse on Hades". Used in the fictional parable (all parables are fictional stories, by definition) of the Rich Man and Lazarus, where, among other things, Christ insults the Jews for believing in such nonsense. If you read Luke 16:25, you see the absurdity of it. There, you will see that, the ONLY reason the Rich Man had it bad and Lazarus had it good, after death, was because, in life, the Rich Man had it good and Lazarus had it bad. This was because the Pharisees lied to the poor to pacify them, telling them that since they had it bad ii life, they would have it good when they died. Christ turned the tables on them in this parable. Also, note that after the curse of Isa 6:9-10 was pronounced on Israel and, from that point on, He spoke to the multitude and the Pharisees ONLY in parables - Mt 13:13-15.
Sheol - the grave, OT
Heaven - (1) the created starry Heavens - where Satan is now headquartered. The angels, both fallen and good, live here. At some point, these Heavens will be destroyed by fire and remade into the New Heavens (3rd Heaven). This is where the New Jerusalem will descend from and dock on the New Earth. (2) the uncreated Heavenly Places, the true Holy of Holies, located far above the starry heavens, where Christ now sits at the right hand of God, Eph 1:20. The all-Gentile Church found only in Paul's 7 post-Acts epistles will be resurrected there, Eph 2:6. No Jew, except Christ, will ever go there. However, those Jews today who essentially become Gentiles and believe in the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ, can go there. No one except Christ has EVER gone to Heaven, as of now, Jn 3:13. Every saved person who has ever died is still asleep in the grave, waiting for their resurrection.

The common Christian concept of hell, as a place where our loving God tortures those who don't believe in Him, in fire, 24/7, forever, is a 100% pagan atrocity that has entered falsely into Christian beliefs, most likely through the Romish Church. The concept of hell NEVER appears in the texts. It is only in the translations, where it is erroneously used as a false substitute for 4 totally unrelated words.

Man IS a soul, Gen 2.7. Man does not HAVE an immortal soul that either goes to heaven or hell at death. Another non-Biblical pagan tradition. Total RUBBISH. Used to perpetuate that lie which Satan said in the garden, "Ye shall not surely die." The truth is that every part of you will die. The believer will one day be resurrected and the unbeliever will die permanently, with NO second chance.

When a saved person dies, they are surely dead, but they are said to be asleep, because, when they are resurrected, they will awaken and not remember anything since they died, as though they had been asleep. When an unsaved person dies, he perishes (rots) and ceases to exist, never heard from again. There is no consciousness for anyone in the grave. The truth of this is all very simple. Tradition's lies make it complicated. Probably, at least 75% of Christianity has bought into those 2 pagan lies, about hell and the soul.

Natsumi Lam said:

Hi Family,

I dont know if this has been posted before.

I hope to get more clarity about death....
~Natsumi Lam~

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Hi sister,

Gen_3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
Psa_104:29 Thou hidest thy face, they are troubled: thou takest away their breath, they die, and return to their dust.

Then, later, a respective resurrection.

Act_24:15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.

ac28 said:

When an unsaved person dies, he perishes (rots) and ceases to exist, never heard from again.

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No:

Act_24:15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.

Joh_5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Dan 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

Benjamin Calvary said:

No:

Act_24:15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.

Joh_5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Dan 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

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Yes:

Everyone in those quotes are believers, some of which are unjust or evil. In the last quote, there must be some that do not awake. Those are the unbelievers that are permanently dead. The unbelievers are never resurrected to life. Otherwise they would have to die twice and no one EVER dies twice, Hebrews 9:27 . Like in Revelation 20:12 , at the white throne judgment, those standing and being judged are said to be dead, not alive.

Natsumi Lam said:

Hi Family,

I dont know if this has been posted before.

I hope to get more clarity about death.

If someone dies who is saved or unsaved where does he go ( verses please)

Can you please differentiate
Hell
Hades
Lake of fire
The pirr
Paradise
Abrahams Bosom
Sheol
Heaven
...

~Natsumi Lam~

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You forgot Gehenna.

Hell = Hades (same Greek word) = Sheol

NKJV Ac 2:31 he, foreseeing this, spoke concerning the resurrection of the Christ, that His soul was not left in Hades, nor did His flesh see corruption.

KJV Ac 2:31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

Same thing.

Before Christ ascended Hades (Hell) was composed of Paradise = Abraham's Bosom, and Gehenna (Hell Fire). You can see this in Luke 16 concerning the fate of Lazarus and the rich man.

After his ascension, he brought the saints in Paradise to heaven and since then Hades is only composed of Gehenna. So it is accurate today to speak of hell as where the unrighteous go when they die.

The lake of fire occurs later after the millenial reign. There those in hell, and hell itself is thrown into the lake of fire.

Pirr is what a cat does.

bcbsr said:

You forgot Gehenna.

Hell = Hades (same Greek word) = Sheol

NKJV Ac 2:31 he, foreseeing this, spoke concerning the resurrection of the Christ, that His soul was not left in Hades, nor did His flesh see corruption.

KJV Ac 2:31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

Same thing.

Before Christ ascended Hades (Hell) was composed of Paradise = Abraham's Bosom, and Gehenna (Hell Fire). You can see this in Luke 16 concerning the fate of Lazarus and the rich man.

After his ascension, he brought the saints in Paradise to heaven and since then Hades is only composed of Gehenna. So it is accurate today to speak of hell as where the unrighteous go when they die.

The lake of fire occurs later after the millenial reign. There those in hell, and hell itself is thrown into the lake of fire.

Pirr is what a cat does.

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Soul means "life", or "person" or "creature", or "me", or "he", etc. It never means an invisible part of you, the size of your fist, that either goes to hell or Heaven when you die. The pagan ancient Greek philosophers made up that tall tale. When you're dead, you're a dead soul, all 100% of you. If you're saved, you will be resurrected, i.e., be born again, i.e., be brought back to life with an immortal body, the type depending on the particular location of your calling in the universe. If you're unsaved, you'll just cease to exist and will totally be forgotten

I noticed you picked 2 of the few translations of Ac 2:31 that use the word soul. Most do NOT use the word soul. Here are a few from the modern ones considered trustworthy today that translate the Greek word, psuche, properly, as "he" , Also, they all use the word hades or the phrase, "the realm of the dead" (instead of the fake pagan "hell") which is THE GRAVE. In fact, in Paul's (the ONLY apostle for us Gentiles) 14 books, the one single time he uses the word "hades], it is properly translated as "grave" in the KJV, 1Corinthians 15:55, "O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?"
Ac 2:31
ASV
he foreseeing this spake of the resurrection of the Christ, that neither was he left unto Hades, nor did his flesh see corruption.
ESV
he foresaw and spoke about the resurrection of the Christ, that he was not abandoned to Hades, nor did his flesh see corruption.
ISV
he looked ahead and spoke about the resurrection of the Messiah: ‘He was not abandoned to Hades, and his flesh did not experience decay
NASB
he looked ahead and spoke of the resurrection of the Christ, that He was neither abandoned to Hades, nor did His flesh suffer decay.
NIV
Seeing what was to come, he spoke of the resurrection of the Messiah, that he was not abandoned to the realm of the dead, nor did his body see decay
RSV
he foresaw and spoke of the resurrection of the Christ, that he was not abandoned to Hades, nor did his flesh see corruption.

You said:
"Before Christ ascended Hades (Hell) was composed of Paradise = Abraham's Bosom, and Gehenna (Hell Fire). You can see this in Luke 16 concerning the fate of Lazarus and the rich man."

Absolutely NOTHING you said is Biblical. Abraham's bosom is a term from the oral traditions of the despicable Pharisees, as proven in Josephus' "Discourse on Hades". Josephus said he was a Pharisee. The Rich Man and Lazarus is a parable. This is proven by the fact that, after Matthew 13:13-15 , when Christ pronounced the curse of Isaiah 6:9-10 on Israel, He only talked to the multitude, which included the Pharisees, in PARABLES, throughout the remainder of His ministry, Matthew 13:34 , Mark 4:34 , Like 8:10 . The Strong's definition of a parable is a "fictitious story", which sums up the Rich Man and Lazarus, perfectly. Don't you think any of that made-up garbage in the Rich Man and Lazarus would be found somewhere in the OT, if it were true? Also, in Luke 16:25, we find that the ONLY reason the Rich Man had it bad after death is because he had it good while alive. The that is true, all rich men will go to hell, including Abraham.

Paradise does not yet exist. It will be the New Earth, Revelation 2:7 , Rev 22, when the New Heavens and New Earth are made. The New Heavens will be the 3rd Heaven, in time, and that's what John saw in 1Cor 12:1-5, in the Spirit in Patmos, in about 43AD. We now are surrounded by the 2nd Heaven. The 1st Heaven was in Gen 1:1, which was made without form and void, by God, after Satan and 1/3 of the angels rebelled, and was then remade in 6 days into the present 2nd Heaven.

I won't get into the other nonsensical statements. I will say that nothing you said can be backed up by scripture. It is all man-made tradition as taught by the Jewish Denominational Church (actually, Synagogue) System.

ewq1938 said:

Nope. What we see there are two different places separated by a great gulf. Only the rich man was in Hades, the others were not in Hades. There is no "hell" in Paradise nor were any dead saints ever in Hades.

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Nope. The Rich Man a Lazarus is a parable. Why? Because, Christ told that fictitious story (definition of a parable) to the Pharisees, Luke 16:14 , and, during and after Mt 13, Christ spoke to the Pharisees ONLY in parables, Matthew 13:34 , Mark 4:34 . Therefore, if one were to be honest, the fictitious story about the Rich Man and Lazarus can NEVER enter into any meaningful discussion as to whether or not the pagan concept of hell is true - which, of course, it isn't.

There is no hell, no Abraham's bosom, no Rich Man, no Lazarus, and no gulf. Also, there is no paradise, at least at the present time. Man does not HAVE a soul. He IS a soul.

ewq1938 said:

Nope. What we see there are two different places separated by a great gulf. Only the rich man was in Hades, the others were not in Hades. There is no "hell" in Paradise nor were any dead saints ever in Hades.

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Jesus went to Hades

Ac 2:27 For You will not leave my soul in Hades, Nor will You allow Your Holy One to see corruption.
Ac 2:31 "he, foreseeing this, spoke concerning the resurrection of the Christ, that His soul was not left in Hades, nor did His flesh see corruption.

ac28 said:

Soul means "life", or "person" or "creature", or "me", or "he", etc. It never means an invisible part of you, the size of your fist, that either goes to hell or Heaven when you die. The pagan ancient Greek philosophers made up that tall tale. When you're dead, you're a dead soul, all 100% of you. If you're saved, you will be resurrected, i.e., be born again, i.e., be brought back to life with an immortal body, the type depending on the particular location of your calling in the universe. If you're unsaved, you'll just cease to exist and will totally be forgotten

I noticed you picked 2 of the few translations of Ac 2:31 that use the word soul. Most do NOT use the word soul. Here are a few from the modern ones considered trustworthy today that translate the Greek word, psuche, properly, as "he" , Also, they all use the word hades or the phrase, "the realm of the dead" (instead of the fake pagan "hell") which is THE GRAVE. In fact, in Paul's (the ONLY apostle for us Gentiles) 14 books, the one single time he uses the word "hades], it is properly translated as "grave" in the KJV, 1Corinthians 15:55, "O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?"
Ac 2:31
ASV
he foreseeing this spake of the resurrection of the Christ, that neither was he left unto Hades, nor did his flesh see corruption.
ESV
he foresaw and spoke about the resurrection of the Christ, that he was not abandoned to Hades, nor did his flesh see corruption.
ISV
he looked ahead and spoke about the resurrection of the Messiah: ‘He was not abandoned to Hades, and his flesh did not experience decay
NASB
he looked ahead and spoke of the resurrection of the Christ, that He was neither abandoned to Hades, nor did His flesh suffer decay.
NIV
Seeing what was to come, he spoke of the resurrection of the Messiah, that he was not abandoned to the realm of the dead, nor did his body see decay
RSV
he foresaw and spoke of the resurrection of the Christ, that he was not abandoned to Hades, nor did his flesh see corruption.

You said:
"Before Christ ascended Hades (Hell) was composed of Paradise = Abraham's Bosom, and Gehenna (Hell Fire). You can see this in Luke 16 concerning the fate of Lazarus and the rich man."

Absolutely NOTHING you said is Biblical. Abraham's bosom is a term from the oral traditions of the despicable Pharisees, as proven in Josephus' "Discourse on Hades". Josephus said he was a Pharisee. The Rich Man and Lazarus is a parable. This is proven by the fact that, after Matthew 13:13-15 , when Christ pronounced the curse of Isaiah 6:9-10 on Israel, He only talked to the multitude, which included the Pharisees, in PARABLES, throughout the remainder of His ministry, Matthew 13:34 , Mark 4:34 , Like 8:10 . The Strong's definition of a parable is a "fictitious story", which sums up the Rich Man and Lazarus, perfectly. Don't you think any of that made-up garbage in the Rich Man and Lazarus would be found somewhere in the OT, if it were true? Also, in Luke 16:25, we find that the ONLY reason the Rich Man had it bad after death is because he had it good while alive. The that is true, all rich men will go to hell, including Abraham.

Paradise does not yet exist. It will be the New Earth, Revelation 2:7 , Rev 22, when the New Heavens and New Earth are made. The New Heavens will be the 3rd Heaven, in time, and that's what John saw in 1Cor 12:1-5, in the Spirit in Patmos, in about 43AD. We now are surrounded by the 2nd Heaven. The 1st Heaven was in Gen 1:1, which was made without form and void, by God, after Satan and 1/3 of the angels rebelled, and was then remade in 6 days into the present 2nd Heaven.

I won't get into the other nonsensical statements. I will say that nothing you said can be backed up by scripture. It is all man-made tradition as taught by the Jewish Denominational Church (actually, Synagogue) System.

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Bible doesn't call Luke 16 a parable. And besides, all of Jesus' parables are true to life. He doesn't invent science fiction scenarios.

As for paradise, didn't Jesus say "Today you will be with me in Paradise". Apparently paradise existed long before you did.

bcbsr said:

Jesus went to Hades

Ac 2:27 For You will not leave my soul in Hades, Nor will You allow Your Holy One to see corruption.
Ac 2:31 "he, foreseeing this, spoke concerning the resurrection of the Christ, that His soul was not left in Hades, nor did His flesh see corruption.

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Jesus went to Hades (the grave)

Ac 2:27 For You will not leave my soul (ME) in Hades (the GRAVE), Nor will You allow Your Holy One to see corruption.
Ac 2:31 "he, foreseeing this, spoke concerning the resurrection of the Christ, that His soul (HE) was not left in Hades (the GRAVE), nor did His flesh see corruption.

bcbsr said:

Bible doesn't call Luke 16 a parable. And besides, all of Jesus' parables are true to life. He doesn't invent science fiction scenarios.

As for paradise, didn't Jesus say "Today you will be with me in Paradise". Apparently paradise existed long before you did.

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The Bible doesn't say the parable starting in Luke 16:1 is a parable, but it certainly is one

. Every parable is a FICTITIOUS NARRATIVE, according to Strong's. This MUST be a PARABLE because Christ told it to the Pharisees/Multitude and during and after Mt 13, Christ spoke to the Pharisees/multitude ONLY in PARABLES, PERIOD!!! Matthew 13:34 , Mark 4:34 . NO Parable is EVER true. If it were true, it wouldn't be a parable, by definition. What was in this parable was what the Pharisees' Satanic oral traditions taught them about the pagan concept of Hell, as proven in Josephus' (Josephus was a Pharisee), "Discourse on Hades." This parable was a story made-up by Christ for 2 reasons
(1) To insult the Pharisees for pacifying the poor by telling them that, since they had it bad while alive, they would have it good after they died. Christ turned the tables on them by saying those that had it good in life (the rich) would have it bad after death. This is proven by the total absurdity of Luke 16:25
(2) To insult the Pharisees for their stupid ideas about the existence if hell.

NO, Jesus did not say, "Today you will be with Me in paradise." According to the Bibles that have the comma in the right place in Luke 23:43 (after Today, not before Today), Christ said, "I say unto you Today, you shall be with Me in paradise." This is an idiom that we still use today, like when you say to your kids, "I'm telling you right now, you better....." This idiom appears 42 times in Deuteronomy. The original texts had no punctuation. Punctuation was added by man. I can't believe that many bibles still put the comma before the word before Today. There is zero proof that paradise has ever yet existed. The malefactor on the cross had no calling and all saved people throughout history with no calling go through the white throne judgement and end up on the New Earth, which is called PARADISE in Revelation. The malefactor will eventually be in paradise, on the New Earth, with Christ, just like it says in the Bible.

Anyone that thinks Christ died that day, traveled through space to the non-existent paradise to say Hi to the malefactor, (who somehow skipped going to the grave and going through the requirement of resurrection), and then returned to the earth in time, before sunset, to go to the grave - I have this bridge for sale. Remember that John 3:13 , which was written after Christ's death and still applies today, says that NO ONE, except Christ, has EVER gone to Heaven. Everyone that has ever died is still in the grave.

Most modern Bibles contain the same 3 large errors. I'm convinced they know these are errors, but leave them in to sell more Bibles.
(1) Any Bible that contains the word "hell" as the translation of 4 totally unrelated Greek and Hebrew words, is in error. However, people love to hear about the fake hellfire and brimstone. Some Baptists think you're not saved if you don't believe in hell.
(2) Any Bible that puts the comma before the word"Today" in Luke 23:43 , is in error, for more reasons than I've mentioned. Of course, since many people believe the lie that people go to Heaven immediately after they die, as taught by the corrupt Denominational Church (Synagogue) System, and is largely based on the error of the comma being in the wrong place in this verse, fewer Bibles would be sold if they corrected it.
(3) In 2 Timothy 2:15 , the word "dividing" in the phrase, "rightly dividing" means CUTTING and, of this, there is no doubt. Also, it says that what you MUST CUT, in order to be approved unto God, is His WORD, the SCRIPTURES. Many modern Bibles, including the horrible ESV that's used on this forum, have wimpified that word and, instead, used a word like, "handling." This totally destroys the meaning of that all-important verse. The Word must be cut, divided, and partially eliminated, in order to prevent contradictory statements, as to what things belong to the Jews and what things belong to us Gentiles today - they are rarely the same. Of course, many unknowledgeable people don't like the idea of cutting up the Bible, even when they're commanded to.