Second wind

timewerx said:

Yes, these evil spirits have at one point said to me they were messengers from the Lord. They made a grand entrance like the angels. They even looked like angels as they were described in the Bible. They told me things that I want to hear. They even said they also believe in Jesus. They did say the name "Jesus".

But I told them plainly and straight that they are lying and I told them to leave at once. With fear and trembling they left me.

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Hallelujah, I am very glad that God overcame those evil spirits for you!

I adviced you in another post where you said that you didn't know if you had the Holy Spirit or not to ask God to give you His Spirit or reveal Himself to you. Did you try this?

Emli said:

I adviced you in another post where you said that you didn't know if you had the Holy Spirit or not to ask God to give you His Spirit or reveal Himself to you. Did you try this?

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Yes, I might have said not to ask God or the Spirit to reveal Himself.

But I did asked God before to reveal Himself as well as asked the Holy Spirit to come to me or fill me when I was new to Christianity. I think it also coincided with visitations, encounters in visions and dreams of evil spirits. Of course these evil spirits did not appear plainly but pretended to be angels.

That's when I realize to exercise extreme caution and it's probably better not to ask of it. The disciples in the Pentecost did not ask for the Spirit. It simply came to them. Jesus said it would come for them even if they didn't ask. So it's probably a good idea not to ask. It may seem like an honorable thing to do for us Christians. But might be dangerous. A lot of Christians can't discern an angel from demon, even worse if the demon said the name of Jesus. Evil spirits could say the name of Jesus. Many Christians might find this surprising but it's true it's what I have found out on my own experience.

Anyway, you really should try what your ex is saying but don't strain yourself physically. Jesus moved at incredible speed in John Chapter 6 and in John 14:12 He said, we will do even greater things than He did, probably in different ways, but who knows.

timewerx said:

Yes, I might have said not to ask God or the Spirit to reveal Himself.

But I did asked God before to reveal Himself as well as asked the Holy Spirit to come to me or fill me when I was new to Christianity. I think it also coincided with visitations, encounters in visions and dreams of evil spirits. Of course these evil spirits did not appear plainly but pretended to be angels.

That's when I realize to exercise extreme caution and it's probably better not to ask of it. The disciples in the Pentecost did not ask for the Spirit. It simply came to them. Jesus said it would come for them even if they didn't ask. So it's probably a good idea not to ask. It may seem like an honorable thing to do for us Christians. But might be dangerous. A lot of Christians can't discern an angel from demon, even worse if the demon said the name of Jesus. Evil spirits could say the name of Jesus. Many Christians might find this surprising but it's true it's what I have found out on my own experience.

Anyway, you really should try what your ex is saying but don't strain yourself physically. Jesus moved at incredible speed in John Chapter 6 and in John 14:12 He said, we will do even greater things than He did, probably in different ways, but who knows.

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Read this:

Luke 11:9-13 "9. And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you. 10. For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened. 11. If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent? 12. Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion? 13. If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?"

It is okay to ask for the Holy Spirit, if we ask God out of a humble heart that is earnestly seeking Him.

But I do agree with you. I have had to expose so many evil spirits pretending to be God in my life and in other people's lives. But that shouldn't hurt your faith in God and in what His Word says is true.

I have told my ex that I will accept the challenge. But it will have to completely according to God's timing and His will. I will do a fast first. And I'm not inviting any evil spirits to "help" me.

Emli said:

But I do agree with you. I have had to expose so many evil spirits pretending to be God in my life and in other people's lives. But that shouldn't hurt your faith in God and in what His Word says is true.

I have told my ex that I will accept the challenge. But it will have to completely according to God's timing and His will. I will do a fast first. And I'm not inviting any evil spirits to "help" me.

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I haven't lost my faith in God but I became more wary after my experience with attempts of evil spirits to deceive me.

Only make sure if it's safe for you to fast followed by physically demanding activity. Perhaps, you recover a bit after fasting before attempting the challenge.

timewerx said:

I haven't lost my faith in God but I became more wary after my experience with attempts of evil spirits to deceive me.

Only make sure if it's safe for you to fast followed by physically demanding activity. Perhaps, you recover a bit after fasting before attempting the challenge.

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I'm glad. You probably have the gift of discerning of spirits like I do. I would pray about it if I were you.

I once did a 21 day juice fast, and I went running sometime during week two. It actually went really well. When I run I like to use the time to pray and focus on God, and fasting helps with that. It may seem as if I'm tempting God, but He knows that I am not. I am a very careful person. I used to have a lot of fears and OCD, then I went through a period of risky behavior, and it is good for me to let go of both those things and use my brain instead. Running 1 km cannot hurt me, it's too short. Even if I run faster than I have ever run before, and even on an empty stomach. The worst thing that can happen is that I give up.

Emli said:

I'm glad. You probably have the gift of discerning of spirits like I do. I would pray about it if I were you.

I once did a 21 day juice fast, and I went running sometime during week two. It actually went really well. When I run I like to use the time to pray and focus on God, and fasting helps with that. It may seem as if I'm tempting God, but He knows that I am not. I am a very careful person. I used to have a lot of fears and OCD, then I went through a period of risky behavior, and it is good for me to let go of both those things and use my brain instead. Running 1 km cannot hurt me, it's too short. Even if I run faster than I have ever run before, and even on an empty stomach. The worst thing that can happen is that I give up.

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I have OCD too (but didn't have it when I was young).

Praying to God or reviewing the Word of God in your mind while running will actually help a lot with endurance. In some instances, double or even triple your endurance. It's a very good plan you have.

It's not really tempting God if you're not bargaining nor demanding anything from God. Fasting and meditating on God's words produce reliably good results to the body everytime (unless fasting is dangerous to you)

timewerx said:

I have OCD too (but didn't have it when I was young).

Praying to God or reviewing the Word of God in your mind while running will actually help a lot with endurance. In some instances, double or even triple your endurance. It's a very good plan you have.

It's not really tempting God if you're not bargaining nor demanding anything from God. Fasting and meditating on God's words produce reliably good results to the body everytime (unless fasting is dangerous to you)

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Did you get OCD after you got saved? Mine got worse, because I started worrying about everything. But God used it to teach me, by giving me the answers I needed, and taught me how to be led by the Spirit and the Word, instead of just removing it.

I agree. Fasting has always improved my relationship with God in every way. I know someone who got addicted to fasting, and it actually fed the flesh and quenched the Spirit (Isaiah 58), but if it's done from a humble heart towards God, then He will honor it a lot every time.

Emli said:

Did you get OCD after you got saved? Mine got worse, because I started worrying about everything. But God used it to teach me, by giving me the answers I needed, and taught me how to be led by the Spirit and the Word, instead of just removing it.

I agree. Fasting has always improved my relationship with God in every way. I know someone who got addicted to fasting, and it actually fed the flesh and quenched the Spirit (Isaiah 58), but if it's done from a humble heart towards God, then He will honor it a lot every time.

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My OCD seemed to have coincided being saved. I may have had it all my life but worsened greatly by fairly traumatic events coinciding with salvation. Actually, it was these events that let a change of heart in me and pushed me to seek the Truth. Not because someone told me but it was the only thing that made sense in those times.

I've only fasted once my whole life but probably need to do one soon.

timewerx said:

My OCD seemed to have coincided being saved. I may have had it all my life but worsened greatly by fairly traumatic events coinciding with salvation. Actually, it was these events that let a change of heart in me and pushed me to seek the Truth. Not because someone told me but it was the only thing that made sense in those times.

I've only fasted once my whole life but probably need to do one soon.

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I hope and pray that God will heal you from your OCD. As your mind keeps getting renewed and becoming sound by the Holy Spirit, I believe that He will help you overcome all of it.

I went through a lot of traumatic events too previous to and after being saved, which also led to giving my life to Jesus. So I understand. If you ever need to talk about anything, I'm right here.

Emli said:

I hope and pray that God will heal you from your OCD. As your mind keeps getting renewed and becoming sound by the Holy Spirit, I believe that He will help you overcome all of it.

I went through a lot of traumatic events too previous to and after being saved, which also led to giving my life to Jesus. So I understand. If you ever need to talk about anything, I'm right here.

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Thanks for your prayers, I will do the same for you too. Sorry to hear about the trauma you've undergone as well.

Perhaps, my traumatic experience is not as worse. Mine is simply about money. Life used to be good but went broke and lost all my life savings due to bad career and investment decisions. I went from being a "white collar" highly skilled employee to doing clerical / secretarial jobs. I almost killed myself over it.

I got saved at around the same time. After many years, I still haven't recovered from my situation. However, it was most humbling experience and gave me empathy and compassion to the poor and the low working classes because now I know how they feel having lived their lives with very little or nonexistent hope of ever getting out of their situation. It's heart breaking and I've also realized how society have short changed them, cheated them with unfairly low wages and generally mistreated and exploited.

I guess that is my second wind. Not sure if I want to get back to the "normal world" I used to be, now that I know these ugly truths we are all part of.

timewerx said:

Thanks for your prayers, I will do the same for you too. Sorry to hear about the trauma you've undergone as well.

Perhaps, my traumatic experience is not as worse. Mine is simply about money. Life used to be good but went broke and lost all my life savings due to bad career and investment decisions. I went from being a "white collar" highly skilled employee to doing clerical / secretarial jobs. I almost killed myself over it.

I got saved at around the same time. After many years, I still haven't recovered from my situation. However, it was most humbling experience and gave me empathy and compassion to the poor and the low working classes because now I know how they feel having lived their lives with very little or nonexistent hope of ever getting out of their situation. It's heart breaking and I've also realized how society have short changed them, cheated them with unfairly low wages and generally mistreated and exploited.

I guess that is my second wind. Not sure if I want to get back to the "normal world" I used to be, now that I know these ugly truths we are all part of.

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That is very interesting testimony. Thank you for sharing it. Christ saved you from Mammon even before you got saved, and you can understand Luke 18:22. I love how He gave you compassion for the poor. Are you doing any charity work or ministry with the poor?

God actually used financial blessings to save me. I have always been poor, and before I got saved, I had huge debt that I couldn't pay, because I couldn't take care of myself. I was at a really low place, had been depressed and suicidal for many years, had BPD, bipolarity, paranoia, schizophrenia, etc. God had actually been healing me for about two years without my knowledge, but I was panic and couldn't process reality, and it was up and down every day. One night I was very drunk, downtown with a friend, feeling strangely loving (I even hugged a homeless guy), because I used to hate everyone, and found myself talking to some Christians who give out free coffee in the town centre. I used to mock them, but this night I let one pray for me. It was a very standard prayer, but he added after saying amen "And oh, I would like to ask You to bless her finances". I felt deeply touched by that sincere man, and it left me feeling refreshed kind of. I received a huge blessing a few days after, a loan from my ex actually, who I already owed about $12000, that I had leeched from him for five years, and who did not want to lend me any more money. Yet he lent me about $4000. So I ended up shocked and I prayed to God, knowing that it was Him who had done this but not knowing anything about Him, and He answered, and I got saved. My life was taken care of by our Father after this. He fixed everything, me and my life. God was the first One to care about me and the first One to ever say the He loved me and meant it. It is an amazing thing to be saved from darkness and depression, and from poverty! The Holy Spirit became my second wind!

mukk_in said:

Hey you two, I'm glad you're enjoying this. Peace in Christ.

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Back at ya! Sorry for stealing your thread, but I get the feeling that you don't mind.

Emli said:

That is very interesting testimony. Thank you for sharing it. Christ saved you from Mammon even before you got saved, and you can understand Luke 18:22. I love how He gave you compassion for the poor. Are you doing any charity work or ministry with the poor?

God actually used financial blessings to save me. I have always been poor, and before I got saved, I had huge debt that I couldn't pay, because I couldn't take care of myself. I was at a really low place, had been depressed and suicidal for many years, had BPD, bipolarity, paranoia, schizophrenia, etc. God had actually been healing me for about two years without my knowledge, but I was panic and couldn't process reality, and it was up and down every day. One night I was very drunk, downtown with a friend, feeling strangely loving (I even hugged a homeless guy), because I used to hate everyone, and found myself talking to some Christians who give out free coffee in the town centre. I used to mock them, but this night I let one pray for me. It was a very standard prayer, but he added after saying amen "And oh, I would like to ask You to bless her finances". I felt deeply touched by that sincere man, and it left me feeling refreshed kind of. I received a huge blessing a few days after, a loan from my ex actually, who I already owed about $12000, that I had leeched from him for five years, and who did not want to lend me any more money. Yet he lent me about $4000. So I ended up shocked and I prayed to God, knowing that it was Him who had done this but not knowing anything about Him, and He answered, and I got saved. My life was taken care of by our Father after this. He fixed everything, me and my life. God was the first One to care about me and the first One to ever say the He loved me and meant it. It is an amazing thing to be saved from darkness and depression, and from poverty! The Holy Spirit became my second wind!

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Unfortunately, I couldn't do anything for the ministry atm nor charity work. I'm broke and I spend my whole day looking for a job and marketing a business I'm starting.

You're lucky to have someone help you out. We've been praying unceasingly for many years, I've kept my faith and upbeat all these time but things seem to be getting worse for us.

I was reading Luke 6:20-26 and hoping that is not in a literal sense. Although there is some basis to it. It's rather difficult to make profit if you uphold Christ's moral principles in an environment that makes money its god. To keep competitive while having everyone involved given fair salary (so they prosper as well) seems like a fantasy in this evil world.

The only plausible way to do it is program some form of AI (artificial business intelligence). It's reality now. It can be done now but I don't have skills to do it yet so I'm learning how to make one in the little free time I have left. May this is the "fix" that God gave me, a talent with logic and numbers, unfortunately, it would take time, not instant solution to my problem!

I used to look down on the poor as well, I kept thinking they are to blame for their misfortunes. But when I became poor, I realized, that is not the case. We all have a little part in this. We are all to blame.

I've been a Christian for a long time. But believed a different Gospel for 20 years. A gospel that promised worldly wealth and abundace to those who obeys God correctly and looks down upon the poor (blaming them for their misfortunes).

I was only saved the last couple of years when I left that false belief. In a way, this is my "second wind" from a spiritual perspective. Sorry to hear about your issues but good to hear you're having miraculous healing from it. I know how incredibly painful life has become when you get to the point of taking your own life. It's the environment we live in. It's an evil world (1 John 5:19, John 15:19), interestingly, those verses are not a typo!

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Hey you two, I'm glad you're enjoying this. Peace in Christ.

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Nice to see you keep postive about this. Sorry, we may have drifted your topic a bit off.

I guess my "second wind" experience are two things. One is spiritual - taken away from a belief that is preaching a false gospel which is the hardest part - this false gospel preached a lot of truths, mixed with lies that made it very hard to detect, unless with careful study of the Word.

My other second wind is physical speed and endurance and I'm not certain for what purpose, we got cars and planes now Maybe if I have to run away from something when all the vehicles are stuck in traffic!

timewerx said:

Unfortunately, I couldn't do anything for the ministry atm nor charity work. I'm broke and I spend my whole day looking for a job and marketing a business I'm starting.

You're lucky to have someone help you out. We've been praying unceasingly for many years, I've kept my faith and upbeat all these time but things seem to be getting worse for us.

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I would say blessed, rather than lucky. But ever since I got that loan, God has been providing for me through jobs. I had to quit three jobs due to persecution and bullying and/or immoral assignments, and in between those jobs I had no money and I had to live on faith, hoping in God to provide a new job for me. He always did. I was used to having nothing, but everything was different with God. I was seeking to do what is right instead of seeking to find a fast way of receiving money (I used to be very deceitful and I was on welfare and lying about seeking a job, while sitting at home playing video games and selling things online to get more money) After I quit/got fired from the first job, then I actually gave all of my money to charity like the widow, and I was broke for a few months except a paper route one day at a week and a marketing survey phone job from home a few hours some evenings. It paid my rent and not much else. But I had God, and I wasn't worried. He took care of me, and He was making me a better person. Everyone thought I was nuts, but here I am today and everything is taken care of.

When I got the job I have today, I was almost broke before I got it. My employee number ends with 633. God chose it to point me to Matthew 6:33. At the same time, He got me to start focusing on His Kingdom and His righteousness, something that I hadn't really done before, because I was a loner with social anxiety. But He took care of that as well. I didn't have anything before, but God has more than given me everything I need today. Not more than I need, but more than I ever thought I would have. Praise the Lord!

So I would suggest that you put Him first, seek His Kingdom and His righteousness first, and He will provide for you as well. If you do get involved in a ministry, at least you will be doing something good with the time while not having a job.

timewerx said:

I was reading Luke 6:20-26 and hoping that is not in a literal sense. Although there is some basis to it. It's rather difficult to make profit if you uphold Christ's moral principles in an environment that makes money its god. To keep competitive while having everyone involved given fair salary (so they prosper as well) seems like a fantasy in this evil world.

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This is true. It is hard to have a normal job too. Being in sales but refusing to use unfair sales methods. Being in an office environment but not gossiping. I have even been persecuted for not stealing desserts when I worked in a restaurant. But with God's blessing, everything we put our hands to will work out. Maybe not in the way we would desire (being popular or rich etc) but in the way that helps others and gives glory to God.

timewerx said:

The only plausible way to do it is program some form of AI (artificial business intelligence). It's reality now. It can be done now but I don't have skills to do it yet so I'm learning how to make one in the little free time I have left. May this is the "fix" that God gave me, a talent with logic and numbers, unfortunately, it would take time, not instant solution to my problem!

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What would this AI do?

timewerx said:

I used to look down on the poor as well, I kept thinking they are to blame for their misfortunes. But when I became poor, I realized, that is not the case. We all have a little part in this. We are all to blame.

I've been a Christian for a long time. But believed a different Gospel for 20 years. A gospel that promised worldly wealth and abundace to those who obeys God correctly and looks down upon the poor (blaming them for their misfortunes).

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I understand. I am so glad that God got you out of that mentality.

timewerx said:

I was only saved the last couple of years when I left that false belief. In a way, this is my "second wind" from a spiritual perspective. Sorry to hear about your issues but good to hear you're having miraculous healing from it. I know how incredibly painful life has become when you get to the point of taking your own life. It's the environment we live in. It's an evil world (1 John 5:19, John 15:19), interestingly, those verses are not a typo!

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I know a lot of "typos" like that.

Do you feel like you have been delivered from your depressions today?

Emli said:

I would say blessed, rather than lucky. But ever since I got that loan, God has been providing for me through jobs. I had to quit three jobs due to persecution and bullying and/or immoral assignments, and in between those jobs I had no money and I had to live on faith, hoping in God to provide a new job for me. He always did. I was used to having nothing, but everything was different with God. I was seeking to do what is right instead of seeking to find a fast way of receiving money (I used to be very deceitful and I was on welfare and lying about seeking a job, while sitting at home playing video games and selling things online to get more money) After I quit/got fired from the first job, then I actually gave all of my money to charity like the widow, and I was broke for a few months except a paper route one day at a week and a marketing survey phone job from home a few hours some evenings. It paid my rent and not much else. But I had God, and I wasn't worried. He took care of me, and He was making me a better person. Everyone thought I was nuts, but here I am today and everything is taken care of.

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You are truly blessed! As for me, even welfare I don't have. I live in a poor country that doesn't have any financial support for these type of situations.

So I would suggest that you put Him first, seek His Kingdom and His righteousness first, and He will provide for you as well. If you do get involved in a ministry, at least you will be doing something good with the time while not having a job.

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I did everything and still continue to do so. But things are actually getting worse. I still keep my faith, never gonna waiver!

What would this AI do?

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Just help me out it the business. It doesn't have to be AI, just an efficient system I'm trying to figure out. I can't afford to hire anyone to help me.

I know a lot of "typos" like that.

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Yes, I've been noticing quite a few more. I find it strange. Made me feel like I'm living in my own dream like none of these is real.

Do you feel like you have been delivered from your depressions today?

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I had the last bout of chronic depressions several years ago. The last couple of years, if I get depressed, it only lasts a day or two. And there's usually a strong trigger why I get depressed like parents constant criticisms and reminding me of the failure I've become.

I sometimes receive criticisms from my clients but doesn't affect me, perhaps because it's clearly delivered on a constructive manner for my own good, not to make me feel guilty or bad about my situation. My parents does it on a different manner and my mom in particular doesn't want to see me happy in my miserable situation. She wants me to feel bad and stressed out about it all the time.

timewerx said:

You are truly blessed! As for me, even welfare I don't have. I live in a poor country that doesn't have any financial support for these type of situations.

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I'm sorry that you are struggling so much. I would definitely be willing to help you out if you would agree to it.

timewerx said:

I did everything and still continue to do so. But things are actually getting worse. I still keep my faith, never gonna waiver!

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Our lives are trial after trial. You will be blessed in Heaven, and you will be blessed in this life with every spiritual blessing in Christ. Humility, love, compassion, honesty. And you're suffering with Christ, which is a blessing in itself. Matthew 8:20

timewerx said:

Just help me out it the business. It doesn't have to be AI, just an efficient system I'm trying to figure out. I can't afford to hire anyone to help me.

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That sounds like a good idea.

timewerx said:

Yes, I've been noticing quite a few more. I find it strange. Made me feel like I'm living in my own dream like none of these is real.

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I know what you mean. I used to walk around in a state of what I thought was confusion, but it was actually clarity. It was because God was showing me so much of Himself, and it is truly Him and truly real, but no one else was seeing it. It's not mystical, like Bible codes or numerology, it's simply something that God has chosen to to help us connect the dots and open our eyes. And to reveal to us how true the Bible really is.

timewerx said:

I had the last bout of chronic depressions several years ago. The last couple of years, if I get depressed, it only lasts a day or two. And there's usually a strong trigger why I get depressed like parents constant criticisms and reminding me of the failure I've become.

I sometimes receive criticisms from my clients but doesn't affect me, perhaps because it's clearly delivered on a constructive manner for my own good, not to make me feel guilty or bad about my situation. My parents does it on a different manner and my mom in particular doesn't want to see me happy in my miserable situation. She wants me to feel bad and stressed out about it all the time.

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I'm so sorry that your parents are hurting you. I'll pray for you. Remember to use your shield. Think about how God sees you, and how precious you are to Him. He loves you, and He wants you to be joyful in every circumstance, even when it feels like everything has fallen apart.

"Be joyful in hope, patient in affliction, faithful in prayer." Romans 12:12

He is with you, all the time. He hasn't failed you, and you haven't failed Him. So don't listen to your mother. Wear a smile on your face!