Woodward: No Evidence Of Trump-Russia Collusion, I Searched For Two Years

That's odd. I didn't realize Bob Woodward was a criminal investigator with subpena authority.

Veritas said:

The fact that people are arguing about whether this thread is about the book or not while ignoring the topic of the OP tells me that they just don't want to believe it.

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No, it means that people accept Woodwords' statement at face value and that there's nothing much to say about it. He found nothing; okay, fine. But he's not the special investigator and, as far as I know, he doesn't speak Russian or have particular ties with oligarchs.

The democrats and the Trump haters have been clinging to this Russia/collusion myth for so long and have hung their hopes on it.

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Again, not really. President Pence could win a second term.

The only collusion involved Hillary and this whole special investigation has been about trying to protect her while giving the illusion that it was really Trump. It's a classic projection tactic.

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Now that's projection!

Veritas said:

The fact that people are arguing about whether this thread is about the book or not while ignoring the topic of the OP tells me that they just don't want to believe it. The democrats and the Trump haters have been clinging to this Russia/collusion myth for so long and have hung their hopes on it. The only collusion involved Hillary and this whole special investigation has been about trying to protect her while giving the illusion that it was really Trump. It's a classic projection tactic.

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Hey, I'm fully willing to say I have no issue with Woodward saying *he* didn't see any evidence of collusion.

Taking "Investigative reporter investigating breakdown of basic function in the White House didn't see anything proving some OTHER thing while he was at it" and deciding that it obviously means "WOODWARD PROVES BEYOND ANY SHRED OF DOUBT FOR ALL TIME THAT TRUMP CAMPAIGN DID TOTALLY BEST NON COLLUSION NEENER NEENER NEENER" on the other hand, now that's just pure bloviation.

TheFriendlyAtheist said:

Trump Jr. wrote down his intent to collude or rather conspire with Russia in a now public email. There's that and the near countless meetings between Russian intelligence and virtually every high level Trump campaign official that were vehemently denied until they were exposed. There is Trump's hesitation in firing Flynn after they were made aware of the high possibility of him being compromised by the Russians. There is Paul Manafort, with his long list of connections with Russian oligarchs, who just entered into a cooperation agreement with Mueller to plead guilty to conspiracy against the United States. There is Jared Kushner who tried to negotiate a secret back channel with the Kremlin.

The only way to not see evidence of collusion (or more accurately conspiracy) is to bury your head in the sand.

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Or not having one’s head in the sand is a reason they do not consider the evidence sufficient for conspiracy.

DaisyDay said:

Again, not really. President Pence could win a second term.

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Let me show you how this works. First of all, Clinton was impeached. Did he leave office? No. Let's say Trump is impeached (which he won't be because there is no collusion) and he DOES leave office. Pence becomes POTUS. As president, he pardon's Trump and names him VP. Pence then resigns and Trump becomes POTUS again. He then names Pence as VP. See how beautifully this works out?!

DaisyDay said:

Now that's projection!

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So you're denying the facts that Hillary's campaign was involved in the Russian fake dossier in attempt to prevent Trump from becoming POTUS? It's pretty well documented including by the leftwing media.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...3470754bbb9_story.html?utm_term=.d68f1c572143

Veritas said:

Let me show you how this works. First of all, Clinton was impeached. Did he leave office? No. Let's say Trump is impeached (which he won't be because there is no collusion) and he DOES leave office. Pence becomes POTUS. As president, he pardon's Trump and names him VP. Pence then resigns and Trump becomes POTUS again. He then names Pence as VP. See how beautifully this works out?!

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Is that how this works? Thanks for explaining.

So you're denying the facts that Hillary's campaign was involved in the Russian fake dossier in attempt to prevent Trump from becoming POTUS? It's pretty well documented including by the leftwing media.

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So's Law. First, I haven't denied that Clinton's campaign and the DNC continued to fund the opposition research begun by the Washington Free Beacon after poor Donald won the GOP primary or that the Steele portion was started after the Free Beacon relinquished possession. Second, the dossier is real! It really and truly exists! Third, Clinton's entire post-primary campaign was focused on trying to prevent poor Donald from becoming POTUS so she could be president herself - duh.

However, hiring an American firm to do opposition research is not the same as meeting up with Russian nationals in person "for dirt" even if that firm does hire a British firm that hires British national to look into why your opponent would "repeatedly seek to do deals in a notoriously corrupt police state". Even imagining it is the same requires some heavy-duty projection.

LOL. This was discussed on liberal news outlets the first week. He said Trump was genuinely shocked about Manafort being involved with Russia. It was seen as being a point in Trump's favor. However all I've heard ON HERE is how the book is fake news, anonymous sources, and a hit job on Trump. Woodward is like a literary umpire. He writes it like he sees it.

LivingWordUnity said:

I hadn't thought of it that way before. Dems are chasing a rainbow.

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Why would Dems chase a rainbow which doesn't have a pot of gold at the end of it? All I see there is Pence--no prize for Dems. But I don't think it will play out like Veritas thinks. At some point our hapless President will be more use as a martyr, with a smoking gun to be pressed into the hands of the Left and a bloody shirt for his successor to wave.

Veritas said:

So you're denying the facts that Hillary's campaign was involved in the Russian fake dossier

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Which fake dossier are you talking about? Your link has nothing to do with some alleged fake dossier.

LivingWordUnity said:

And even Woodward said there's no evidence of Trump-Russia Collusion.

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No he did not.

LivingWordUnity said:

Okay, my statement was a little bit inaccurate. To be more accurate, he said he couldn't find any evidence of it even though he looked as hard as he could to find it. So he came close to saying there's no evidence.

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Yes, with the access that he had, he looked hard. Woodward does not have the authority or the access to the information, such as bank records, etc. that Mueller has.

LivingWordUnity said:

It's significant that Woodward, who with Bernstein, caused Nixon to step down with the Watergate papers said he can't find any evidence of Trump-Russia collusion after investigating it for two years.

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Where does he say he was investigating Trump-Russia collusion? It's my understanding that he was gathering information about the confusion, erratic behavior of the President, etc. in the White House.

Veritas said:

Let me show you how this works. First of all, Clinton was impeached. Did he leave office? No. Let's say Trump is impeached (which he won't be because there is no collusion) and he DOES leave office. Pence becomes POTUS. As president, he pardon's Trump and names him VP. Pence then resigns and Trump becomes POTUS again. He then names Pence as VP. See how beautifully this works out?!

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This is hilarious. The idea that a politician would hand over the presidency to someone in a game of musical chairs is about the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard.

LivingWordUnity said:

He said he looked for it for two years. So that's investigating it.

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No that isn't what he said. He was gathering information for his book for two years. During that time he didn't see any evidence of collusion.