Being social, talking about Jesus and everything else (long post and scatterbraind FYI)

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Greetings! Long post ahead!
I'll try and be as clear as possible, but I'm just laying everything out because I'm tired of feeling the way I feel.
I was a drug addict for 16+ years, and in that period of time, I burned a lot of bridges, and a lot of things happened to my brain that make "normal" thinking a bit difficult for me.
Mainly in the area of having conversations.

I will say that while I was on drugs, I spent a lot of time in my bible. So much so that I absorbed a lot that kind of made me look at what everyone else was doing, things that I considered "worldly" and hate them. Of course, I admit, at the same time I was abusing drugs, but I tried to clean up every other area of my life. My language, the entertainment I was taking in, everything. If I thought it was worldly, I tried to axe it from myself.

And this created a lot of bitterness towards people in general, because I assumed they were engaging in those things, and a lot of bitterness towards people in the church, because what I was reading in the bible and seeing them do didn't add up.

Let me add that now this is different. That whole attitude was really me pinning all my hostility on everyone else when at the same time it should have been directed at myself.
I couldn't talk to people because talking to them meant hearing about these things, and I couldn't tell them what I cared about (the bible), because I anticipated immediate hostility.

Every conversation in my head immediate led to a point where I would have to tell the person how what they were doing was contrary to the bible. And I reasoned that if I cared about the person I would have to make every attempt to get them to stop doing that thing until they gave it up. I know now that we just preach Jesus and the Holy Spirit cleans them up. But this made a huge impact on my thinking and though I have repented from the life I lived, my brain and automatic thinking are still affected.

Let me say again I see now that I was living contrary to the bible. I'm sure that it was all about my failure to do what was right.

That might have been confusing, but it's the best way to lead into things for me.

LET'S MOVE THE PRESENT

Now, I have been clean for 6+ months, I emphasize seeking a person's salvation over everything, but I have no desire to talk to anyone. I just don't care.

I do get a great amount of joy in trying to talk to people about Jesus, but those conversations are very awkward at the moment and spiritually taxing. I like passing out tracts, but it's a taxing activity as well. There's no downtime for me it seems.

But I know there's fellowship, and I know fellowship is a joy. I just don't know how to approach it. I feel that it's almost pointless.

For instance, I have an old pastor friend, and i want to call him up, but I get the impression that I'll be wasting his time just to have a conversation about what's going on in his life.
I want to talk to people at church, but in my mind I heard "vain" over and over again, and it makes asking simple things like "How is your family" or "How was your week" impossible. I get a lot of stomach cramps when I think about just talking to people.

I don't really care for what we would normally call worldly things. I don't think they should really enter into conversation. Do you talk about shows, games, hobbies with your Christian friends? What do you have conversations about? What gives you joy to talk to other Christians about?

It's almost as if having a normal conversation with another Christian is as difficult as having a soul winning conversation with a random person.

I feel that if I do irritate people that they're not going to tell me. That's a big barrier. Sometimes when I do make an attempt at talking to a person I get this internal rebuke about how I just wasted their time.

Note that I'm currently on disability, and will be a for hopefully not too long, but it will be months before I'm working a normal job and don't have all this time on my hands.
I'm currently praying about and looking to do evangelism with that time as much as I can. Maybe that's the answer because I get the greatest joy when I do finish an attempt at spreading the gospel. However at all the other time I would just like to interact with other Christians. Or anyone really. But mainly Christians because then my mind wouldn't be constantly reminding me that they need salvation.

Anyway, I'm praying that laying all this out will aid in meeting this need I have. If you took the time to read this, thanks.
 

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I will pray that God will make the way clear for you.

One thing it might be worth looking into - do you know of any Christian churches or ministries to addicts/recovering addicts in your area? Addiction does affect the way the mind works and in turn socialisation/conversation. It can be difficult for you to know how to relate to others, and also, recovering addicts often have an 'intense' conversational style which can be difficult for those not used to it sometimes. I have a number of friends who found that in the early years, it helped them to spend time with people who had either been saved from the same background or had experience of working with people with addictions.

Also, don't forget you are still in the very early stages of being clean from drugs. Your body and mind still have a lot of healing to do.

Regarding social conversations, you don't have to take an interest in 'worldly things' to have conversation with Christians. There are so many wonderful things God has given us to enjoy in this world. I spent a couple of hours with a new friend today and we talked about gardening, about different cultures and foods in places we had visited, about the scenery nearby...I don't see those as 'worldly' because it is enjoying the world God has given us to care for.
 
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Greetings! Long post ahead!
I'll try and be as clear as possible, but I'm just laying everything out because I'm tired of feeling the way I feel.
I was a drug addict for 16+ years, and in that period of time, I burned a lot of bridges, and a lot of things happened to my brain that make "normal" thinking a bit difficult for me.
Mainly in the area of having conversations.

I will say that while I was on drugs, I spent a lot of time in my bible. So much so that I absorbed a lot that kind of made me look at what everyone else was doing, things that I considered "worldly" and hate them. Of course, I admit, at the same time I was abusing drugs, but I tried to clean up every other area of my life. My language, the entertainment I was taking in, everything. If I thought it was worldly, I tried to axe it from myself.

And this created a lot of bitterness towards people in general, because I assumed they were engaging in those things, and a lot of bitterness towards people in the church, because what I was reading in the bible and seeing them do didn't add up.

Let me add that now this is different. That whole attitude was really me pinning all my hostility on everyone else when at the same time it should have been directed at myself.
I couldn't talk to people because talking to them meant hearing about these things, and I couldn't tell them what I cared about (the bible), because I anticipated immediate hostility.

Every conversation in my head immediate led to a point where I would have to tell the person how what they were doing was contrary to the bible. And I reasoned that if I cared about the person I would have to make every attempt to get them to stop doing that thing until they gave it up. I know now that we just preach Jesus and the Holy Spirit cleans them up. But this made a huge impact on my thinking and though I have repented from the life I lived, my brain and automatic thinking are still affected.

Let me say again I see now that I was living contrary to the bible. I'm sure that it was all about my failure to do what was right.

That might have been confusing, but it's the best way to lead into things for me.

LET'S MOVE THE PRESENT

Now, I have been clean for 6+ months, I emphasize seeking a person's salvation over everything, but I have no desire to talk to anyone. I just don't care.

I do get a great amount of joy in trying to talk to people about Jesus, but those conversations are very awkward at the moment and spiritually taxing. I like passing out tracts, but it's a taxing activity as well. There's no downtime for me it seems.

But I know there's fellowship, and I know fellowship is a joy. I just don't know how to approach it. I feel that it's almost pointless.

For instance, I have an old pastor friend, and i want to call him up, but I get the impression that I'll be wasting his time just to have a conversation about what's going on in his life.
I want to talk to people at church, but in my mind I heard "vain" over and over again, and it makes asking simple things like "How is your family" or "How was your week" impossible. I get a lot of stomach cramps when I think about just talking to people.

I don't really care for what we would normally call worldly things. I don't think they should really enter into conversation. Do you talk about shows, games, hobbies with your Christian friends? What do you have conversations about? What gives you joy to talk to other Christians about?

It's almost as if having a normal conversation with another Christian is as difficult as having a soul winning conversation with a random person.

I feel that if I do irritate people that they're not going to tell me. That's a big barrier. Sometimes when I do make an attempt at talking to a person I get this internal rebuke about how I just wasted their time.

Note that I'm currently on disability, and will be a for hopefully not too long, but it will be months before I'm working a normal job and don't have all this time on my hands.
I'm currently praying about and looking to do evangelism with that time as much as I can. Maybe that's the answer because I get the greatest joy when I do finish an attempt at spreading the gospel. However at all the other time I would just like to interact with other Christians. Or anyone really. But mainly Christians because then my mind wouldn't be constantly reminding me that they need salvation.

Anyway, I'm praying that laying all this out will aid in meeting this need I have. If you took the time to read this, thanks.

You are not wasting thier time , they waste thier whole lifes because everything will perish what they accomplished and if they don't repent then they themselves aswell . What Job said , naked he came to world naked he returns , what Salomon said , he planted and build and he will leave it for others who did not labour to get it because he will die and can't take it with him .

Sharing gospel is important , but don't talk nonsense how God changed your life and that God loves you this is not the gospel , gospel is hard facts based on evidence which you present to unbeliever and he decides if he wants to accept Christ or not , you don't have to talk to people but simply ask if they want to have eternal life or not , if they don't they won't bother talking to you if yes you present them the gospel .

Gospel is 1 Corinthians 15:1-4
a) Christ died for sins ( past , present , future )
b) was burried and rose again from the dead fulfilling Scriptures
Example : Isaiah 53 , Psalms 22:6 ( hundreds years prior to his comming ) , Daniel 9 ( exactly day of Jesus riding on donkey ).
c) If person believes has eternal life , if not he is damned .
 
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Greetings! Long post ahead!
I'll try and be as clear as possible, but I'm just laying everything out because I'm tired of feeling the way I feel.
I was a drug addict for 16+ years, and in that period of time, I burned a lot of bridges, and a lot of things happened to my brain that make "normal" thinking a bit difficult for me.
Mainly in the area of having conversations.

I will say that while I was on drugs, I spent a lot of time in my bible. So much so that I absorbed a lot that kind of made me look at what everyone else was doing, things that I considered "worldly" and hate them. Of course, I admit, at the same time I was abusing drugs, but I tried to clean up every other area of my life. My language, the entertainment I was taking in, everything. If I thought it was worldly, I tried to axe it from myself.

And this created a lot of bitterness towards people in general, because I assumed they were engaging in those things, and a lot of bitterness towards people in the church, because what I was reading in the bible and seeing them do didn't add up.

Let me add that now this is different. That whole attitude was really me pinning all my hostility on everyone else when at the same time it should have been directed at myself.
I couldn't talk to people because talking to them meant hearing about these things, and I couldn't tell them what I cared about (the bible), because I anticipated immediate hostility.

Every conversation in my head immediate led to a point where I would have to tell the person how what they were doing was contrary to the bible. And I reasoned that if I cared about the person I would have to make every attempt to get them to stop doing that thing until they gave it up. I know now that we just preach Jesus and the Holy Spirit cleans them up. But this made a huge impact on my thinking and though I have repented from the life I lived, my brain and automatic thinking are still affected.

Let me say again I see now that I was living contrary to the bible. I'm sure that it was all about my failure to do what was right.

That might have been confusing, but it's the best way to lead into things for me.

LET'S MOVE THE PRESENT

Now, I have been clean for 6+ months, I emphasize seeking a person's salvation over everything, but I have no desire to talk to anyone. I just don't care.

I do get a great amount of joy in trying to talk to people about Jesus, but those conversations are very awkward at the moment and spiritually taxing. I like passing out tracts, but it's a taxing activity as well. There's no downtime for me it seems.

But I know there's fellowship, and I know fellowship is a joy. I just don't know how to approach it. I feel that it's almost pointless.

For instance, I have an old pastor friend, and i want to call him up, but I get the impression that I'll be wasting his time just to have a conversation about what's going on in his life.
I want to talk to people at church, but in my mind I heard "vain" over and over again, and it makes asking simple things like "How is your family" or "How was your week" impossible. I get a lot of stomach cramps when I think about just talking to people.

I don't really care for what we would normally call worldly things. I don't think they should really enter into conversation. Do you talk about shows, games, hobbies with your Christian friends? What do you have conversations about? What gives you joy to talk to other Christians about?

It's almost as if having a normal conversation with another Christian is as difficult as having a soul winning conversation with a random person.

I feel that if I do irritate people that they're not going to tell me. That's a big barrier. Sometimes when I do make an attempt at talking to a person I get this internal rebuke about how I just wasted their time.

Note that I'm currently on disability, and will be a for hopefully not too long, but it will be months before I'm working a normal job and don't have all this time on my hands.
I'm currently praying about and looking to do evangelism with that time as much as I can. Maybe that's the answer because I get the greatest joy when I do finish an attempt at spreading the gospel. However at all the other time I would just like to interact with other Christians. Or anyone really. But mainly Christians because then my mind wouldn't be constantly reminding me that they need salvation.

Anyway, I'm praying that laying all this out will aid in meeting this need I have. If you took the time to read this, thanks.

Based on what you have said, I would advise you learn to value people. Learn to see what God sees in them. Prayer for such an ability will go a long way. I think when you begin to see the value of individuals, you end up taking a genuine greater interest in them. When you talk to them, you begin to recognize their unique value.

I learned this years ago and it made a big difference in how I view people and how I interact with them. People can tell when you genuinely value them and it changes your ability to forge relationships.

Worked for me at least.:)
 
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The Lord may involve you in evangelism somehow, regardless of anything I think. However, it sounds like you need to get your house more in order first. Drugs (and many other things) are what people turn to for life-pain relief. Stopping drugs does not heal a person from the sources of that pain. Instead of evangelizing, which you partially (probably) want to do to soothe an ache (or pain) in yourself, turn yourself over to Jesus for him to do what he wants with you. Only he can transform you.

Focus on advancing your connection with Jesus and not specifically others' connections to Jesus. Helping others will eventually follow out of the overflow of who you are in Christ. Study Scripture for your own knowledge of the Truth, which will also transform how you think to something better. You may really need to be doing this daily. Also pray daily and worship and fast. Seek to connect more personally and deeply with the living Christ who will answer your prayers and help you.

By the way, if you are tempted to do drugs again, recognize that Satan is trying to murder and destroy you; crush your life, hope, and happiness; and magnify your pain in the short and long term. Resist that with zeal and reject it over and over. It can take years to get back on the wagon if you fall off, and it's just not worth it.

Rather, clothe yourselves with the Lord Jesus Christ, and do not think about how to gratify the desires of the sinful nature. (Romans 13:14, 1984 NIV)
 
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It is a common temptation to pick apart other believers and their motives. The truth is, we can't see anyone's heart, and that is why only God can judge such things. But when we get drawn into such thoughts, it only tends to puff us up with secret pride. Which further blinds us to our own sins and makes us more critical of everyone around us. It is ultimately a very dangerous temptation (but very effective) which is why the enemy uses it so often. And a more difficult one to overcome.

There are ways we can think that will slowly help - and we must pray and ask for help from God to change our thinking too. We should think of ourselves as the worst of sinners and think of others more highly than ourselves.

You know how we may be in a hurry, a real emergency, and so we may drive a little more forecefully, maybe changing lanes to get ahead, because we MUST get there? We know our reason, so we justify ourselves. But if someone does it to us, we tend to immediately think it's because they are inconsiderate. We need to learn to turn that around. If someone cuts us off in traffic - maybe they are on the way to the hospital to see their child who might be dying! If they are rude to us, maybe they just lost their job or got devastating news from the doctor. Practice thinking of those reasons why others might do a thing. Forgive them. Pray for them. Be as sincere in your heart as you can in such activities. That will begin to slowly make a difference and help us have compassion for others. At the same time, if we are tempted to compare ourselves favorably, we can consider our reasons from the standpoint of a harsh judge. Sometimes we need knocking down a bit from thinking highly of ourselves. We might hink of someone far more virtuous than ourselves.

Such exercises can help and we can train ourselves by thinking this way. But above all, seek God for help. Nothing can be done without His grace.

God be with you.



Greetings! Long post ahead!
I'll try and be as clear as possible, but I'm just laying everything out because I'm tired of feeling the way I feel.
I was a drug addict for 16+ years, and in that period of time, I burned a lot of bridges, and a lot of things happened to my brain that make "normal" thinking a bit difficult for me.
Mainly in the area of having conversations.

I will say that while I was on drugs, I spent a lot of time in my bible. So much so that I absorbed a lot that kind of made me look at what everyone else was doing, things that I considered "worldly" and hate them. Of course, I admit, at the same time I was abusing drugs, but I tried to clean up every other area of my life. My language, the entertainment I was taking in, everything. If I thought it was worldly, I tried to axe it from myself.

And this created a lot of bitterness towards people in general, because I assumed they were engaging in those things, and a lot of bitterness towards people in the church, because what I was reading in the bible and seeing them do didn't add up.

Let me add that now this is different. That whole attitude was really me pinning all my hostility on everyone else when at the same time it should have been directed at myself.
I couldn't talk to people because talking to them meant hearing about these things, and I couldn't tell them what I cared about (the bible), because I anticipated immediate hostility.

Every conversation in my head immediate led to a point where I would have to tell the person how what they were doing was contrary to the bible. And I reasoned that if I cared about the person I would have to make every attempt to get them to stop doing that thing until they gave it up. I know now that we just preach Jesus and the Holy Spirit cleans them up. But this made a huge impact on my thinking and though I have repented from the life I lived, my brain and automatic thinking are still affected.

Let me say again I see now that I was living contrary to the bible. I'm sure that it was all about my failure to do what was right.

That might have been confusing, but it's the best way to lead into things for me.

LET'S MOVE THE PRESENT

Now, I have been clean for 6+ months, I emphasize seeking a person's salvation over everything, but I have no desire to talk to anyone. I just don't care.

I do get a great amount of joy in trying to talk to people about Jesus, but those conversations are very awkward at the moment and spiritually taxing. I like passing out tracts, but it's a taxing activity as well. There's no downtime for me it seems.

But I know there's fellowship, and I know fellowship is a joy. I just don't know how to approach it. I feel that it's almost pointless.

For instance, I have an old pastor friend, and i want to call him up, but I get the impression that I'll be wasting his time just to have a conversation about what's going on in his life.
I want to talk to people at church, but in my mind I heard "vain" over and over again, and it makes asking simple things like "How is your family" or "How was your week" impossible. I get a lot of stomach cramps when I think about just talking to people.

I don't really care for what we would normally call worldly things. I don't think they should really enter into conversation. Do you talk about shows, games, hobbies with your Christian friends? What do you have conversations about? What gives you joy to talk to other Christians about?

It's almost as if having a normal conversation with another Christian is as difficult as having a soul winning conversation with a random person.

I feel that if I do irritate people that they're not going to tell me. That's a big barrier. Sometimes when I do make an attempt at talking to a person I get this internal rebuke about how I just wasted their time.

Note that I'm currently on disability, and will be a for hopefully not too long, but it will be months before I'm working a normal job and don't have all this time on my hands.
I'm currently praying about and looking to do evangelism with that time as much as I can. Maybe that's the answer because I get the greatest joy when I do finish an attempt at spreading the gospel. However at all the other time I would just like to interact with other Christians. Or anyone really. But mainly Christians because then my mind wouldn't be constantly reminding me that they need salvation.

Anyway, I'm praying that laying all this out will aid in meeting this need I have. If you took the time to read this, thanks.
 
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The Lord may involve you in evangelism somehow, regardless of anything I think. However, it sounds like you need to get your house more in order first. Drugs (and many other things) are what people turn to for life-pain relief. Stopping drugs does not heal a person from the sources of that pain. Instead of evangelizing, which you partially (probably) want to do to soothe an ache (or pain) in yourself, turn yourself over to Jesus for him to do what he wants with you. Only he can transform you.
I am glad you point this out. It's a sort of push pull between thinking that I need to evangelize to deal with this burden I'm carrying around (which seems to be eased when I do take the time to witness or hand out tracts), or whether it's a different issue that probably resulted from all the things that I did and experienced in all the years of reckless drug addiction.

Focus on advancing your connection with Jesus and not specifically others' connections to Jesus. Helping others will eventually follow out of the overflow of who you are in Christ. Study Scripture for your own knowledge of the Truth, which will also transform how you think to something better. You may really need to be doing this daily. Also pray daily and worship and fast. Seek to connect more personally and deeply with the living Christ who will answer your prayers and help you.

By the way, if you are tempted to do drugs again, recognize that Satan is trying to murder and destroy you; crush your life, hope, and happiness; and magnify your pain in the short and long term. Resist that with zeal and reject it over and over. It can take years to get back on the wagon if you fall off, and it's just not worth it.

Rather, clothe yourselves with the Lord Jesus Christ, and do not think about how to gratify the desires of the sinful nature. (Romans 13:14, 1984 NIV)

I appreciate your response to my post!
 
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I was a drug addict for 16+ years, and in that period of time, I burned a lot of bridges, and a lot of things happened to my brain that make "normal" thinking a bit difficult for me.
Mainly in the area of having conversations.

You were focused on yourself. That can change.
Focus on the lives of other people.
The help that they need is for you to listen attentively.
Do this for 6 months before offering advice.
This will solve your problems.
 
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You are not wasting thier time , they waste thier whole lifes because everything will perish what they accomplished and if they don't repent then they themselves aswell . What Job said , naked he came to world naked he returns , what Salomon said , he planted and build and he will leave it for others who did not labour to get it because he will die and can't take it with him .

Sharing gospel is important , but don't talk nonsense how God changed your life and that God loves you this is not the gospel , gospel is hard facts based on evidence which you present to unbeliever and he decides if he wants to accept Christ or not , you don't have to talk to people but simply ask if they want to have eternal life or not , if they don't they won't bother talking to you if yes you present them the gospel .

Gospel is 1 Corinthians 15:1-4
a) Christ died for sins ( past , present , future )
b) was burried and rose again from the dead fulfilling Scriptures
Example : Isaiah 53 , Psalms 22:6 ( hundreds years prior to his comming ) , Daniel 9 ( exactly day of Jesus riding on donkey ).
c) If person believes has eternal life , if not he is damned .
I am glad you mentioned this. The other night my family did a devotion clearly defining the gospel based exactly on what Paul said.
I think its very important that such a thing is the central focus of anything I do with regard to witnessing to someone for Jesus.
I do enjoy telling people about being set free from drugs, and yes my life is much better, but its not necessary to include unless I feel the spirit lead there. But I always need to give the gospel!
 
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You were focused on yourself. That can change.
Focus on the lives of other people.
The help that they need is for you to listen attentively.
Do this for 6 months before offering advice.
This will solve your problems.
Sometimes it can be difficult because in the course of listening, a bible verse will come up that seems to be the answer to their issue. And I feel that if I don't say anything I'm deceiving them. I also feel I'm encouraging them in what I see as sin if I just silently listen while my conscience says I need to tell them.
Do you have experience with that sort of thing, and how has the Lord led you? I do get the feeling that what you are telling me is the direction I need to go.
To give an example, if I'm talking to someone and they mention something they're doing that I think is sinful, my mind will zero in on that thing and it will make the conversation almost impossible. Anticipating this also makes me not want to interact with people.

But again. I think you're right in this, and the best thing I can do is just do it and leave the result to the holy spirit!
 
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