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Jude1:3Contendforthefaith said:

Yeah, I know sexual sins, stealing, lying and all that stuff will be forgiven and they can repent but those who have worshipped the beast and blasphemed The Holy Spirit Won’t be forgiven and they Can’t repent.

They are giving themselves a spiritual death sentence and sealing their fate forever if they do those things.

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Not Scriptural again , we are not in tribulation period yet .
Paul's gospel is different than tribulation preached by angel

Read Galatians 1:8-9 and Revelation 14:6

Sin against Holy Spirit is not the one in Revelation , sing against HS is willfull rejection of the Holy Spirit which saved person , Christ paid for all sin but this one , because he can't force you to be born again against your will so the only sin not forgiven is rejection of the gospel .

1 Corinthians 1:18-31 King James Version (KJV)
18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

Jude1:3Contendforthefaith said:

The part where you are talking about killing being ok is Wrong.

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Not true it is fully explained in scripture(shown in the studies ) that once someone takes the mark of the beast they cannot repent or be saved so it removes the ban on killing, since they have no chance of salvation.

Jude1:3Contendforthefaith said:

It says in Revelation “Who ever kills with the sword must be killed with the sword.”

And John says “..... And you know that No Murderer has eternal life abiding in him”

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john: And you know that No Murderer has eternal life abiding in him
Your only guilty of murder if you
1. Kill one of God's children.
2. Kill someone who has the ability to repent and be saved.


The only reason killing any man for any reason is wrong(right now) is because they have a chance at repentance so you are robbing them of this chance when you kill them. After someone has accepted eternal damnation(during the time of the mark of the beast) they cannot be saved and have no chance so you are just in the eyes of Yah to kill them if they get in your way.

9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.
10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

It is speaking of the wicked who kill the saints for not bowing down to the beast, it is not speaking of those who have the mark since they cannot be saved

14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

Jude1:3Contendforthefaith said:

I disagree.

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Provide Scriptures like me , just saying I disagree does not make it true
Also refute the contradictions assuming your point of view from my previous posts .

Jude1:3Contendforthefaith said:

I already did.

The Holy Scripture says “If Anyone worships the Beast or receives the mark of the beast that they will be tormented with fire and brimstone.

It doesn’t say “if you do it at a certain time then you’re ok”

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So now explain the contradiction to prove your point
John 3:16
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”

Whosoever includes a prior Satanist who wants to repent

My explanation : dispensation of Grace
Ephesians 3:2-13 King James Version (KJV)
2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:

StephenDiscipleofYHWH said:

After taking the Mark of the Beast you are dammed and can no longer repent/be forgiven.Revelation 20:10. Thus removing the ban on killing, and hurting others. Since they are dammed. Those who refuse to take the Mark of the Beast, may kill any and all who stand in their way. For instance, say your starving, your child needs meds or a doctors care. You can kidnap a doctor, rob a pharmacy, or rob a store to get food. If anyone trys to stop you, police or civilian, you are just in the eyes of Yah(God) to kill such people. Because they have taken the Mark of the Beast and are dammed forever and ever.(Revelation 20:10) Even though its ok to kill all who take the Mark of the Beast, it is better to avoid it if possible. Remember all who take the Mark are dammed. Even children after willfully accepting it are dammed.

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So... it's ok to killed dammed people? Wouldn't you rather just die a martyr? That's kinda what Christ did, and many of the saints. Instead of fantasizing some "Left Behind" survivalist scenario, you could literally 'take up thy cross' and follow in Christ's footsteps.

None of the above sounds to me like anything Christ would consider sanctioning or wants me to dwell on.

Jude1:3Contendforthefaith said:

The first comes out of the sea and probably either “Cthulhu” or “Vishnu”.

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CTHULHU?!? That would be awesome lol.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cthulhu

I'm kinda hoping for King Ghidorah though.

Jude1:3Contendforthefaith said:

There’s no contradiction.

Even the demons “Believe” But It’s not going to change their fate.

I’m not the one who wrote The Bible. I’m just telling you what it says.

There are Eternal Consequences for some sins in this life.

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You have no Scriptural support so that's not valid explanation , the demons can't be saved because Christ did not atone for them , they don't have blood like us do . We are saved by blood 1 Peter 1:18-19

So my answer stands as more coherent one .

In your world view person who was Satanist cannot be saved because he worshipped Azazel that's not true for today , he can be forgiven .

kiwimac said:

Revelation is apocalyptic literature not prophecy.

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Apocalyptic literature IS prophecy.

Jude1:3Contendforthefaith said:

the Beast is baphomet (Azazel) and people who have worshipped the beast will Never be forgiven so it does no good to try and pray for their salvation:


“If Anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand, shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”

• Revelation 14:9:11

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This is clearly stated in scripture, along with the second scripture that says, “The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.” (2 Thessalonians 2:9-12)

We see this again in the last chapter of Isaiah. “Just as they have chosen their own ways, And their soul delights in their abominations, So will I choose their delusions, And bring their fears on them; Because, when I called, no one answered, When I spoke they did not hear; But they did evil before My eyes, And chose that in which I do not delight.” (Isaiah 66:3-4)

These three scriptures clearly prove that "the Pope" is not "the Antichrist." for MANY who have worshiped "the Pope" have afterward been brought to repentance and been saved through the blood of Christ.

Jude1:3Contendforthefaith said:

the Beast is baphomet (Azazel) and people who have worshipped the beast will Never be forgiven so it does no good to try and pray for their salvation:


“If Anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand, shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”

• Revelation 14:9:11

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I believe the final nail in their coffin, as far as being able to be saved, is the taking of the "mark".

I don't have scripture, right now, but more and more, from many different sources and people that are studying this time period and keeping up with the wave of technology that is going on today... I think that "taking the Mark" may be more than just a tattoo or micro chip.

More and more research is being done in hybridization study of DNA and gene manipulation.
Add to that the fact that the bible says people will pray for death but death will not come.

Put it all together and I believe, again without scripture, that "taking the Mark" will mean being genetically changed to have some sort of pseudo immortality. A change of the DNA of the person taking the mark.

Having done this, they have accepted the fact that they are no longer fully "human" and therefore cannot have salvation.

This parallels the fact that Noah was "pure in his generations" while all other flesh had corrupted itself. This is why God brought the flood... to cleanse the earth and start fresh with Noah's pure human bloodline.

Christ alludes to this when He states that it will be "as in the days of Noah" when He returns.

Satan mimics everything that Christ did... having altered the DNA of the people who worship him.. by taking the mark... he actually comes into them and they accept part of his DNA... just like we, as Christians are indwelled by the Holy Spirit and become Children of God... So will the mark takers accept Satan and be indwelled by him.

I cannot mention enough that I cannot support this with direct scripture... however, there are much more educated and knowledgeable people out there that have put together a concept that makes sense and dove tails with the biblical narrative of the end times as to why those people will not be able to be saved... and.... call for death and it will not come....while worshiping Satan and his government and false trinity of Satan, the beast and the false prophet...