LGBT (collective conscious)

joshua 1 9 said:

I would like to refer to a Pre Obama and a Post Obama public opinion regarding LGBT because we did not use this term before Obama. Still Obama is considered to be the son of Hilary so we really need to go back to public opinion pre Hilary. Although what I am really interested in: what is the POST Obama - Hilary public attitude toward the LGBT community? How is public opinion or the collective conscious changing in regards to this?

What it is, what it could be what is should be? I would think that this will be greatly effected by the supreme court and how many justices Trump is able to appoint to the Court. Also perhaps the mid term election will have an effect on who controls Washington: the liberal or the conservative political parties.

I will say flat out I am from Ohio. So that pretty well tells people where I stand on this issue. Only recently it was pointed out to me that the Catholic church has a very tolerant view on this issue. No matter how conservative political views maybe. So this leads me to wonder just what the post Obama - Hilary administration view is regarding this issue?

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I see it becoming a rabbit hole, where it will get to a point that even liberals won’t be able to get behind, but will have to for the sake of survival.

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Phil 1:21 said:

In my former dioceses...dioci...diocea-whatever...they practically handed them out like Halloween candy.

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I was an unbaptized "pagan" according to my ex. I was called in to testify before the priest and the annulment was rejected. I know tons of remarried Catholics who also failed to receive annulments.

joshua 1 9 said:

I would like to refer to a Pre Obama and a Post Obama public opinion regarding LGBT because we did not use this term before Obama. Still Obama is considered to be the son of Hilary so we really need to go back to public opinion pre Hilary. Although what I am really interested in: what is the POST Obama - Hilary public attitude toward the LGBT community? How is public opinion or the collective conscious changing in regards to this?

What it is, what it could be what is should be? I would think that this will be greatly effected by the supreme court and how many justices Trump is able to appoint to the Court. Also perhaps the mid term election will have an effect on who controls Washington: the liberal or the conservative political parties.

I will say flat out I am from Ohio. So that pretty well tells people where I stand on this issue. Only recently it was pointed out to me that the Catholic church has a very tolerant view on this issue. No matter how conservative political views maybe. So this leads me to wonder just what the post Obama - Hilary administration view is regarding this issue?

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joshua 1 9 said:

I would like to refer to a Pre Obama and a Post Obama public opinion regarding LGBT because we did not use this term before Obama. Still Obama is considered to be the son of Hilary so we really need to go back to public opinion pre Hilary. Although what I am really interested in: what is the POST Obama - Hilary public attitude toward the LGBT community? How is public opinion or the collective conscious changing in regards to this?

What it is, what it could be what is should be? I would think that this will be greatly effected by the supreme court and how many justices Trump is able to appoint to the Court. Also perhaps the mid term election will have an effect on who controls Washington: the liberal or the conservative political parties.

I will say flat out I am from Ohio. So that pretty well tells people where I stand on this issue. Only recently it was pointed out to me that the Catholic church has a very tolerant view on this issue. No matter how conservative political views maybe. So this leads me to wonder just what the post Obama - Hilary administration view is regarding this issue?

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Well, I haven't see a change in Biblical teaching regarding the behavior. It was an abomination. Is an abomination. Will be until God says different. I don't see how anybody who studies the Word of God can conclude anything else.

marineimaging said:

Well, I haven't see a change in Biblical teaching regarding the behavior. It was an abomination. Is an abomination. Will be until God says different. I don't see how anybody who studies the Word of God can conclude anything else.

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Slowly realizing that if anyone wanted to argue about it, that really there is no argument. It’s either people accept that God doesn’t approve of it or don’t and face the consequences for theirselves.

joshua 1 9 said:

I would like to refer to a Pre Obama and a Post Obama public opinion regarding LGBT because we did not use this term before Obama. Still Obama is considered to be the son of Hilary so we really need to go back to public opinion pre Hilary. Although what I am really interested in: what is the POST Obama - Hilary public attitude toward the LGBT community? How is public opinion or the collective conscious changing in regards to this?

What it is, what it could be what is should be? I would think that this will be greatly effected by the supreme court and how many justices Trump is able to appoint to the Court. Also perhaps the mid term election will have an effect on who controls Washington: the liberal or the conservative political parties.

I will say flat out I am from Ohio. So that pretty well tells people where I stand on this issue. Only recently it was pointed out to me that the Catholic church has a very tolerant view on this issue. No matter how conservative political views maybe. So this leads me to wonder just what the post Obama - Hilary administration view is regarding this issue?

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The only view anyone should take is the biblical view. We should love the people but tell them the truth, in love, that their lifestyle isn't correct. The bible clearly states that homosexuality is an abomination, yet Christ teaches us that we are to love everyone. That's it, nothing else matters on the topic. We do not accept their way of life but we do not treat them with hate.

I think the inclusion of LGBT (both individual and community) by society is a good thing. There exist many homosexuals who strive to follow Christ, among those many who abstain from sex, though not all.
I see this as a natural evolution of Christianity's "Social Welfare" side that strives for equality for all

Seth Graham said:

I think the inclusion of LGBT (both individual and community) by society is a good thing. There exist many homosexuals who strive to follow Christ, among those many who abstain from sex, though not all.
I see this as a natural evolution of Christianity's "Social Welfare" side that strives for equality for all

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What do you call a homosexual who abstains from any sort of physical relationship and has repented, confessed, and been been baptized in the name of God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit?

Seth Graham said:

I think the inclusion of LGBT (both individual and community) by society is a good thing. There exist many homosexuals who strive to follow Christ, among those many who abstain from sex, though not all.
I see this as a natural evolution of Christianity's "Social Welfare" side that strives for equality for all

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Please explain natural evolution of Christianity's "Social Welfare". Are you suggesting that the teaching of God's word is to be changed to fit society's current culture?

NW82 said:

The only view anyone should take is the biblical view. We should love the people but tell them the truth, in love, that their lifestyle isn't correct. The bible clearly states that homosexuality is an abomination, yet Christ teaches us that we are to love everyone. That's it, nothing else matters on the topic. We do not accept their way of life but we do not treat them with hate.

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Just because I do not accept, approve of their lifestyle, does not mean I automatically hate them.

I will not accept, or approve of their lifestyle because it is not normal or moral, If I did accept or approve, I would then be saying that their lifestyle is normal, moral, and ordered, being legitimate which it is not.

Paul said this about a brother.

1Cor. 5:11
But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

How then are we to associate with them, who are not of the Brotherhood?

The game of Public Opinion for the hearts and minds, is being played and has been played between God and Satan.

Public Opinion within the context of world view has shaped societies from their beginnings.

Take for example the Public Opinion poles that Abraham was hoping for in the following dialogue between him and the Lord.

20 So the LORD told Abraham, “I have heard a great outcry from Sodom and Gomorrah, because their sin is so flagrant. 21 I am going down to see if their actions are as wicked as I have heard. If not, I want to know.”

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The other men turned and headed toward Sodom, but the LORD remained with Abraham. 23 Abraham approached him and said, “Will you sweep away both the righteous and the wicked?24 Suppose you find fifty righteous people living there in the city—will you still sweep it away and not spare it for their sakes? 25 Surely you wouldn’t do such a thing, destroying the righteous along with the wicked. Why, you would be treating the righteous and the wicked exactly the same! Surely you wouldn’t do that! Should not the Judge of all the earth do what is right?”

26 And the LORD replied, “If I find fifty righteous people in Sodom, I will spare the entire city for their sake.”

27 Then Abraham spoke again. “Since I have begun, let me speak further to my Lord, even though I am but dust and ashes. 28 Suppose there are only forty-five righteous people rather than fifty? Will you destroy the whole city for lack of five?”

And the LORD said, “I will not destroy it if I find forty-five righteous people there.”

29 Then Abraham pressed his request further. “Suppose there are only forty?”

And the LORD replied, “I will not destroy it for the sake of the forty.”

30 “Please don’t be angry, my Lord,” Abraham pleaded. “Let me speak—suppose only thirty righteous people are found?”

And the LORD replied, “I will not destroy it if I find thirty.”

31 Then Abraham said, “Since I have dared to speak to the Lord, let me continue—suppose there are only twenty?”

And the LORD replied, “Then I will not destroy it for the sake of the twenty.”

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32 Finally, Abraham said, “Lord, please don’t be angry with me if I speak one more time. Suppose only ten are found there?”

And the LORD replied, “Then I will not destroy it for the sake of the ten.”

Public Opinion is the Rise and Fall of nations and their empires.

Luke 18:8
I tell you, he will grant justice to them quickly! But when the Son of Man returns, how many will he find on the earth who have faith?"

JIMINZ said:

I have been shown, Homosexuality is a Curse placed upon mankind by God as a warning to Nations where they stand Morally, and that they have time to change before they come under the full Judgment of God.

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If history is anything to go by, it repeatedly reminds us of the hopeless prospect the world faces, when the knife has cut into the cheese, that is to Semitically say "it is too late".

My beloved friend, the global society has long passed the point of no return. The fullness of the Gentile nations has come and they are found wanting.

Who knows what God has in store for humanity, but if the prophets of old are to be referred to, it will not be pleasant. Jesus said it will be worse than the times of Sodom and Gomorrah.

JIMINZ said:

This warning is not seen or heeded by the Society in which the curse is rampant, but is a sign to us as Believers that we need to Pray for our Government more than ever, in order to get back on a Moral footing with God before it is to late.

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Yes, I agree with you that we must be zealots who never give up, but I would plead with you to make vocal you truth in Christ Jesus. Christianity who has not been subjugated by Satan's Public Opinion of Lies and Deceit will no doubt overthrow the lies of the enemy, by the Holy Spirit breath of his Mouth/Witnesses.

Christianity in the last days will be the symbol of the two witnesses, the two pillars of faith, The Law and the Prophets who will overthrow The People/Man (Anthropos) of Sin with the breath of their (His) mouth.

What follows in those turbulent times is the call.....

"To die for your Lord"

Then when this evil cannot play ball through peaceful dialogue, they will revert to violence against those two witnesses and then the Lord will fight with them on the Great Day of Battle of God Almighty, by destroying them at his brilliant coming.

marineimaging said:

What do you call a homosexual who abstains from any sort of physical relationship and has repented, confessed, and been been baptized in the name of God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit?

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They wouldn’t be a homosexual anymore

The Times said:

My beloved friend, the global society has long passed the point of no return. The fullness of the Gentile nations has come and they are found wanting.

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It is my belief, we as Believers in Christ are bound to Pray for the Peace of our Nation, we are the only ones who have the ability and the Authority to stop the advancement of this Decadent Society, if "WE" don't then we as a Nation should be destroyed and we will be held accountable.

Everyone is to busy playing Church to take any notice, before the flood washes them all away........No one is listening!

marineimaging said:

What do you call a homosexual who abstains from any sort of physical relationship and has repented, confessed, and been been baptized in the name of God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit?

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A Christian!

The same goes for a Rapist, Pedophile, Murderer, Liar, Thief if they repent, and abstain of their sin, then they are no longer what they were.

JIMINZ said:

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I have been shown, Homosexuality is a Curse placed upon mankind by God as a warning to Nations where they stand Morally, and that they have time to change before they come under the full Judgment of God.

This warning is not seen or heeded by the Society in which the curse is rampant, but is a sign to us as Believers that we need to Pray for our Government more than ever, in order to get back on a Moral footing with God before it is to late.

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and how does a nation change and get back on a moral footing in this particular case?

marineimaging said:

Well, I haven't see a change in Biblical teaching regarding the behavior. It was an abomination. Is an abomination. Will be until God says different. I don't see how anybody who studies the Word of God can conclude anything else.

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are you talking about fried Shrimp or having a tattoo?

marineimaging said:

What do you call a homosexual who abstains from any sort of physical relationship and has repented, confessed, and been been baptized in the name of God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit?

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abused

JIMINZ said:

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Just because I do not accept, approve of their lifestyle, does not mean I automatically hate them.

I will not accept, or approve of their lifestyle because it is not normal or moral, If I did accept or approve, I would then be saying that their lifestyle is normal, moral, and ordered, being legitimate which it is not.

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if you were saying this about anyone else, wouldn't it be called hate?

JIMINZ said:

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I have been shown, Homosexuality is a Curse placed upon mankind by God as a warning to Nations where they stand Morally, and that they have time to change before they come under the full Judgment of God.

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If it's a curse by God, how are gay people themselves responsible for it?

JIMINZ said:

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It is my belief, we as Believers in Christ are bound to Pray for the Peace of our Nation, we are the only ones who have the ability and the Authority to stop the advancement of this Decadent Society, if "WE" don't then we as a Nation should be destroyed and we will be held accountable.

Everyone is to busy playing Church to take any notice, before the flood washes them all away........No one is listening!

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He who holds back will be taken out of the way, then the lawless people will go on a rampage.

The Church is being slowly removed from within by reprobates and the legal system, along with propaganda mainstream media is demonizing the Christian Great Commission as Hate Speech.

The end comes when the Christian Commission is silenced by the reprobates from within. Then God seeing that they wanted worldly peace, influenced by public opinion, then God will give them pieces of their agenda. Infinite pieces of their agenda.

The Times God crushes the world will be through sending his Church in the lions den, until all appears lost, then he wages war upon the enemy like there is no tomorrow.

God loves doing this, it is the way he rolls and it is by striking his own sheep, then healing them. Just look at history, for these are a repeated subroutine of Creation, that is history repeats.