Conversing with Catholics

SkyWriting said:

None.
One of the best sermon's I ever heard was from a Cardinal and it was about how belief and faith in Jesus saves. I've forgiven them ever since that day.

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Something Paul said:
Philippians 1:15-19 (KJV)
15 Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife; and some also of good will:
16 The one preach Christ of contention, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my bonds:
17 But the other of love, knowing that I am set for the defence of the gospel.
18 What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice.
19 For I know that this shall turn to my salvation through your prayer, and the supply of the Spirit of Jesus Christ,

Lybrah said:

Anyway, the issue here is I get annoyed when talking to people to are wrong and insist they are right. I don't want to be like this.

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So you insist you are right..... I'm sure he felt annoyed too.

Lybrah said:

I was talking to a Roman Catholic the other day and I felt myself getting annoyed because this person was telling me things about Revelations that are wrong. For example, saying that the book of Revelations is what the Catholic mass is based on?

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That's not saying something about the Book of Revelation, that's saying something about the Mass.

I've heard Dr Hahn talk about this, and what he says is not that the Mass is based on Revelation. All of the essential elements of the Mass were in place prior to the writing of that book. What he says is that the book has elements that are reminiscent of the Mass, and as someone who abandoned the Reformation and entered the Catholic Church as an adult I find that his idea has some merit.

Lybrah said:

Also--- is Catholicism wrong? Catholics believe in Jesus and stuff, but in your opinion, what parts of their beliefs and rituals do you find erroneous or unnecessary?

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As was pointed out, this is a non-debate subforum. So my best Christian advice is to test any church's beliefs and rituals against scripture. From there you can decide for yourself.

This is very simple to be honest, put to test the things you've heard, using the Word of God as the measuring rod. If anything is in conflict with the Bible they are wrong. Christ warned against traditions, Matthew 15:3. Does this mean all traditions are bad? No, as Paul said in 2 Thessalonians 2:15. But if traditions teach against or contradict the word this is a problem, hence my first sentence.

Lybrah said:

I was talking to a Roman Catholic the other day and I felt myself getting annoyed because this person was telling me things about Revelations that are wrong. For example, saying that the book of Revelations is what the Catholic mass is based on? What? I left behind the Catholic faith. I don't particularly want to go back. Anyway, the issue here is I get annoyed when talking to people to are wrong and insist they are right. I don't want to be like this. Any suggestions?

Also--- is Catholicism wrong? Catholics believe in Jesus and stuff, but in your opinion, what parts of their beliefs and rituals do you find erroneous or unnecessary?

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Oh, so Catholics are wrong and you are right? Why is that then?

Lybrah said:

Anyway, the issue here is I get annoyed when talking to people to are wrong and insist they are right. I don't want to be like this. Any suggestions?

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If you dont want to be like this....never assume someone else is wrong and you are right....unless it is something you have experienced and therefore know to be true.

Lybrah said:

Also--- is Catholicism wrong? Catholics believe in Jesus and stuff, but in your opinion, what parts of their beliefs and rituals do you find erroneous or unnecessary?

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I imagine one cannot truly know that their directions will get them to a destination until they have successfully reached that destination, using said directions. So we must see our way to the end before knowing that our directions are valid.....After that...we can show others the way.....before then, we are just the blind leading the blind....

Lybrah said:

...Also--- is Catholicism wrong? Catholics believe in Jesus and stuff, but in your opinion, what parts of their beliefs and rituals do you find erroneous or unnecessary?

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Yes, it is in great error - see -

Started by a Roman Catholic -
https://www.christianityboard.com/threads/babylon-scamylon.26226/

Started by an ex-Roman Catholic -
https://www.christianityboard.com/t...-lord-the-sign-and-seal-of-jehovah-god.26143/

https://www.christianityboard.com/t...sabbath-commandment-ex-20-8-11-is-seen.26131/

https://www.christianityboard.com/threads/transubstantiation-unsubstantiated-substantially-p.26116/

Basil the Great said:

There is much to be admired in Catholic worship and theology. I strongly agree with Catholics that we should pray for the dead. I like the idea of kneeling pads that Catholics have in their churches. I am uncertain about praying to saints for intercession. It does seem that they emphasize the role of Mary very much though. The bottom line is that Catholics are Christians, just as much as Protestants and Eastern Orthodox and Oriental Orthodox. We are all followers of Jesus. As I keep reminding folks here on CF, the beloved late Dr. Billy Graham accepted Catholics as brothers and sisters in Christ way back in the 1950's..... We are only two years away from the 2020's. I keep hoping that one day every poster here, or virtually poster, will come to the realization that the late Dr. Billy Graham was right!

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Many people are the opposite of impressed with Billy Graham, after some deep research. It is always best not to go by human authorities, though we can listen to them, but to accept the Bible as the total authority.

LoricaLady said:

Many people are the opposite of impressed with Billy Graham, after some deep research. It is always best not to go by human authorities, though we can listen to them, but to accept the Bible as the total authority.

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Also depends on interpretation as a scripture verse etc can mean something very different from one person to the next.

Lost4words said:

Also depends on interpretation as a scripture verse etc can mean something very different from one person to the next.

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Yeal, but they only mean one thing to the Lord and He tells us "You need that no man should teach you, but the Holy Spirit will teach you."

LoricaLady said:

Yeal, but they only mean one thing to the Lord and He tells us "You need that no man should teach you, but the Holy Spirit will teach you."

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Thats why He sent out the Apostles to teach then?

Remember, the Bible wasnt put together for over 300 years. We need preachers and teachers too. Men filled with the Holy Spirit. To help bring the Gospel to the world.

2 Peter 1:20-21 (KJV)
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

Ephesians 4:2-6 (KJV)
2 With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;
3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.
4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
Assuming we are getting our instruction from the same Holy Spirit, we should be all coming to the same conclusions.

Lost4words said:

Thats why He sent out the Apostles to teach then?

Remember, the Bible wasnt put together for over 300 years. We need preachers and teachers too. Men filled with the Holy Spirit. To help bring the Gospel to the world.

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The Bible may not have been "put together" for some centuries, but the documents, the scrolls and so on were available long before that. Yes, we can spread the Gospel and listen to others' opinions on it, but what I was trying to say is that if there is confusion one should pray for guidance by the Holy Spirit. Really one should do that ongoing anyway.

Lybrah said:

I was talking to a Roman Catholic the other day and I felt myself getting annoyed because this person was telling me things about Revelations that are wrong. For example, saying that the book of Revelations is what the Catholic mass is based on? What? I left behind the Catholic faith. I don't particularly want to go back. Anyway, the issue here is I get annoyed when talking to people to are wrong and insist they are right. I don't want to be like this. Any suggestions?

Also--- is Catholicism wrong? Catholics believe in Jesus and stuff, but in your opinion, what parts of their beliefs and rituals do you find erroneous or unnecessary?

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Prayer sounds like a solution to your problem.

mmsyther said:

Christ justified every believer on the cross . They are now righteous as Christ himself. Our works have nothing to do with our salvation. We do not cooperate with God to continue the work of salvation.

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Hmm. Does a person have to put his faith and trust in our Lord Jesus in order to be saved? Must he love God, accept Jesus as his lord and savior, and have a genuine desire to follow our Lord? Those things sound like cooperation to me.

JAM2b said:

Most Catholics I know don't talk about it a lot because it's either private for them, they have their faith and life compartmentalized, or being in the predominantly protestant South they get verbally shot down a lot. The few who have spoken have said WAY more than was needed or wanted to be heard. Wow. So many details. My brain checked out within the first few paragraphs. It also seems once they started, they didn't want to stop or allow anyone to say anything, ask questions, or present a different perspective on the Scriptures. These things could be (and probably are) more linked to individual personality than to overall church practice.

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Heh. So some Catholics talk too little, and others talk too much. What exactly is the proper number of words that we are allowed to speak?

It does feel frustrating sometimes. I get very frustrated when direct links to Scripture are not given to support what they say. The ones who have spoken have talked a lot about things that are not in Scripture, but don't mention much from Scripture. For me, if I can't clearly back it up by Scripture, then I don't think I should share it as a truth. But, they are going to believe and share what they want. They have the right. And it is a God given right to everyone of every denomination. God allows everyone to choose. We can't have a world where some are allowed to share what they believe and others are not. Things don't turn out well when people try to control what is shared as far as religion goes.

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At least in the USA we have this sense of individualism that would have been unknown to the early Christians. I don't think there is a God given right to speak error, be it from a Catholic or otherwise. Is there some verse in the Bible that says "Every man has a right to say whatever he pleases, even if it is wrong"? If there is, I would be interested in seeing it.

Catholics have books in our Bible that you do not have in yours. Based on that alone, finding agreement based on Scripture is very difficult.

Philip_B said:

There is a Catholic Church on the other side of the street from our Parish Church. Recently they demolished their old Church to build a new one, and we invited them to use our Church while they built the new one, which they accepted.

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Well it's the least ya'll could do after stealing Westminster Abbey! J/K

NW82 said:

This is very simple to be honest, put to test the things you've heard, using the Word of God as the measuring rod. If anything is in conflict with the Bible they are wrong. Christ warned against traditions, Matthew 15:3. Does this mean all traditions are bad? No, as Paul said in 2 Thessalonians 2:15. But if traditions teach against or contradict the word this is a problem, hence my first sentence.

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How should he determine which words are the Word of God that he should use as the measuring rod?

If person A tells him that books A, B, and C only are the Word of God, and person B tells him that book D is also the Word of God, how does he determine whether person A or B is correct?

Afra said:

How should he determine which words are the Word of God that he should use as the measuring rod?

If person A tells him that books A, B, and C only are the Word of God, and person B tells him that book D is also the Word of God, how does he determine whether person A or B is correct?

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If you are referring to the differences between the Catholic Bible and the Protestant bible that's something one has to decide for themselves. My point is that Traditions that contradict the bible, such as graven images, and teaching that others are intercessors rather than Christ being the only one.

Our Blessed Holy Trinity created His One Holy Catholic Roman Church through and by our Lord Jesus Christ with Jesus giving Holy Saint Peter the Holy Keys to the Kingdom of Heaven - Gods Roman Holy Catholic Church - read Gods Holy Word - our Holy Divine Majesty Holy Word again and ask our Lord Jesus Christ and Holy Spirit to flow Gods Holy Discernment through your heart Soul and Mind in relation to our Lords Holy Catholic Roman Church. Without Holy Discernment you wont comprehend - that has to be prayed for and asked of our Lord Jesus Christ and Holy Spirit and I say this from my heart not looking down at you (I should word this a bit better but am in a rush at present).

Below are our Lord Jesus Holy Passages directly explaining our Lords Holy Catholic Roman Church and Holy Confession. In other Holy Passages of Gods, our Lord Jesus Himself explains on His Holy Communion

Matthew 16:13-19 13When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, "Who do people say the Son of Man is?" 14They replied, "Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets." 15"But what about you?" he asked. "Who do you say I am?" 16Simon Peter answered, "You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God." 17Jesus replied, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven. 18And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. 19I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven."
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