Breath of Life=Holy Spirit?

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And what happened after?
Adam & Eve became aware of the fallen rebellious realm of the serpent dragon... and, knowing of the fallen realm, Eve followed after the serpent's advice (being deceived), and Adam followed Eve (not being deceived but wanting not to lose Eve), "Adam < Eve < Nachash"

(opposite, as some say, to the Biblical ideal, though I'm not sure Scripture really says such)
 
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In Genesis 1 we have God creating the world out of nothing by his spoken word which means all creation including living and breathing animals. However when we get to the creation of man in Genesis 2; God firsts molds man out of the earth and then breaths into his nostrils the breath of life.

My question is regarding this. Does God imbue into man his Holy Spirit from creation? Furthermore was mans body formed first and then he was given a soul or was he formed whole? In Genesis 6:3, we have God stating that his Spirit will not abide in man forever. We know our bodies are the Temple. When Adam sinned he lost not only his physical presence but also strong spiritual connection to God. How do you see it?

http://www.oodegr.com/english/ag_grafi/pd/genesis/emfysima1.htm
The Lord is always trying to lead us.
 
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In Genesis 1 we have God creating the world out of nothing by his spoken word which means all creation including living and breathing animals. However when we get to the creation of man in Genesis 2; God firsts molds man out of the earth and then breaths into his nostrils the breath of life.

My question is regarding this. Does God imbue into man his Holy Spirit from creation? Furthermore was mans body formed first and then he was given a soul or was he formed whole? In Genesis 6:3, we have God stating that his Spirit will not abide in man forever. We know our bodies are the Temple. When Adam sinned he lost not only his physical presence but also strong spiritual connection to God. How do you see it?

http://www.oodegr.com/english/ag_grafi/pd/genesis/emfysima1.htm
The book of Genesis is a wonderful book full of hidden meanings within the accounts. The Garden of Eden Story is God's rest, righteousness. Man can only be created righteous by God, through faith. We receive God's Holy Spirit through baptism and become holy temples.

Adam and Eve represent the Hebrew people who received righteousness through the faith of Abraham. This remained until God gave the law, because they refused to have faith when called out of Egypt. Just as Lot's wife looked back from what she was called out of, the Hebrews looked back to Egypt.

The Tree of Knowledge is the Law and it's fruit is the desire to earn one's brown way to heaven or a rejection of faith. The Hebrews accepted the Law and rejected the faith of Abraham.

After eating the fruit, Adam and Eve we're kicked out of righteousness and Adam was condemned to work the soil, which is man's works. These produce only weeds, brambles and thorns, worthless for nourishment.

The Tree of Life in the garden is Jesus Christ, whom God's righteous children are free to eat from and live forever. Just as in Peter's vision from Acts shows the Gentiles as all the different creatures of the world, so does this represent the Gentiles in Eden.
 
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The book of Genesis is a wonderful book full of hidden meanings within the accounts. The Garden of Eden Story is God's rest, righteousness. Man can only be created righteous by God, through faith. We receive God's Holy Spirit through baptism and become holy temples.

Adam and Eve represent the Hebrew people who received righteousness through the faith of Abraham. This remained until God gave the law, because they refused to have faith when called out of Egypt. Just as Lot's wife looked back from what she was called out of, the Hebrews looked back to Egypt.

The Tree of Knowledge is the Law and it's fruit is the desire to earn one's brown way to heaven or a rejection of faith. The Hebrews accepted the Law and rejected the faith of Abraham.

After eating the fruit, Adam and Eve we're kicked out of righteousness and Adam was condemned to work the soil, which is man's works. These produce only weeds, brambles and thorns, worthless for nourishment.

The Tree of Life in the garden is Jesus Christ, whom God's righteous children are free to eat from and live forever. Just as in Peter's vision from Acts shows the Gentiles as all the different creatures of the world, so does this represent the Gentiles in Eden.

Found a good explanation on this that I would like to share.

 
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Found a good explanation on this that I would like to share.

Great video. I learned this several years ago through God's spoken word. As I was reading in the NY, suddenly the Spirit spoke and said, the Tree of Life is Jesus, the Tree of Knowledge is the Law, and the Tower of Babylon represents all those people who try to attain heaven through their own efforts, including many Christians.

That opened my eyes to understand that so much of Genesis is the Gospel and as God removed the veils from my eyes I began to understand more and more. Many of our brethren cling to the worldly teaching of obedience to the law, which includes the 10 Commandments, instead of living as Abraham did and allowing God's Spirit to be their guide.

Jesus is the Light of creation.
 
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In Genesis 1 we have God creating the world out of nothing by his spoken word which means all creation including living and breathing animals. However when we get to the creation of man in Genesis 2; God firsts molds man out of the earth and then breaths into his nostrils the breath of life.

My question is regarding this. Does God imbue into man his Holy Spirit from creation? Furthermore was mans body formed first and then he was given a soul or was he formed whole? In Genesis 6:3, we have God stating that his Spirit will not abide in man forever. We know our bodies are the Temple. When Adam sinned he lost not only his physical presence but also strong spiritual connection to God. How do you see it?

http://www.oodegr.com/english/ag_grafi/pd/genesis/emfysima1.htm

No , Animals do not have Holy Spirit
Yes he gave Holy Spirit to Man but it was lost upon sinning

Genesis 6:3 is not talking about that nor is this talking abour how long people live ( because longest lifespan is 120 years today or less ) . People were alive for good 300 years or so when Genesis 6:3 was written . It's prophecy . Year does not always mean 360 days but there are sabbath years and jubilee years aswell .
 
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My question is regarding this. Does God imbue into man his Holy Spirit from creation? Furthermore was mans body formed first and then he was given a soul or was he formed whole? In Genesis 6:3, we have God stating that his Spirit will not abide in man forever. We know our bodies are the Temple. When Adam sinned he lost not only his physical presence but also strong spiritual connection to God. How do you see it?

There are layers to the Spiritual like layers to the Atmosphere or an Onion. On one layer, God may have breathed life into man in a literal way. There are other layers.

In Ezekiel 37, there is The Valley of the Dry Bones. The wages of sin are death. God Almighty, God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is God of the living and not of the dead. He is an Awesome God. Someone in sin may be like a living dead person or a zombie. Reading the signs of times, the Spiritual Allegory that has been most often used is "Zombie Apocalypse" or something like that. Rob Zombie sang "Living Dead Girl." A sinner may be like zombie. Some of them work to bite like a snake bite, others, bite them and lead them into sin as well kind of like Eve with Adam? The wages of sin are death.


God gave me three videos to play one after the other, in order, to express something for him:

"Regulator."

In Ezekiel 23, Israel and Judah were AWOL Nations.

"Sail"

The righteous perish, and no one takes it to heart; the devout are taken away, and no one understands that the righteous are taken away to be spared from evil. (Isaiah 57:1)

"Rapture of Riddley Walker"
 
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The following we have been working on the best way to communicate in terms of God's Spirit. Work in progress. The following are a list of concepts or ideas that may need to be looked at separately but are relatable.

In some context, some of God's Spirit may be in all of man. Without it, he would be dead. There may be levels or layers someone has God's Spirit with different implications.

God has a mighty Thumos. Man is made in the image of God. The Greeks believed that if a man's thumos was taken away from him he would die. On Faith and Thumos: https://www.christianforums.com/threads/growing-in-faith-and-logos.8072064/

Given someone has The Holy Ghost, they are Alive Inside. God is Holy and Separate from Sin. Someone with God's Holy Spirit would hate sin.

Salvation and life is through Jesus Christ. The only way to the father is through the son.

One way to see how this works may be in viewing The Japanese and Eastern Countries. The Japanese may have been said to have a kind of manly Thumos. As an isolated country far from Christianity, there may have been particular Spirits there, and they may have been under a particular "pact." When they started interacting with Christianity they became "Maro Poloed." They hadn't heard the Good News. After interacting with Christians, and some time, they had heard the Good News. Who hates God in Japan? Are there generational curses? They took some of the best fruit from Europe and that made them successful on some level. Because they were not built on a firm foundation with God, when Europe's fruit went bad, it may have gone worse on some level for Japan?

Question: What do you mean by "Pact?"

BC and AD were different. There may also have been particular Spirits in Japan different from other countries. Where Christians proclaim the Good News and walk it has forced spiritual confrontation in many places. (Ephesians 6:12)
 
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In some context, some of God's Spirit may be in all of man. Without it, he would be dead.
That is the meaning of the expression "in the day that you eat of it, you will certainly die" - they became enslaved to sin, losing the human nature for the beast nature (that is to not be motivated by love and faith as they had been - made in the image of God; but taken captive by fear and uncertainty, relying upon their intellect because their confusion about God made it impractical for them to rely upon Him). This is why there is the expression in John 5:24 and 1 John 3:14, of having passed "from death into life".
 
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In Genesis 1 we have God creating the world out of nothing by his spoken word which means all creation including living and breathing animals. However when we get to the creation of man in Genesis 2; God firsts molds man out of the earth and then breaths into his nostrils the breath of life.

My question is regarding this. Does God imbue into man his Holy Spirit from creation? Furthermore was mans body formed first and then he was given a soul or was he formed whole? In Genesis 6:3, we have God stating that his Spirit will not abide in man forever. We know our bodies are the Temple. When Adam sinned he lost not only his physical presence but also strong spiritual connection to God. How do you see it?

http://www.oodegr.com/english/ag_grafi/pd/genesis/emfysima1.htm
This is a pretty heavy subject. However, from what I understand, God made man's body, then breathed life into his nostrils and he became a living soul. This is the only creature that becomes a living soul.

Is it not comforting and foreshadowing that God loved mankind so much that He took the time to form him with His hands instead of speaking him into existence?

Also, before the fall, Adam and Eve were like we will be in heaven, perfect and without blemish. Some believe that they had an aura of light and when they sinned this went away, revealing their nakedness.

Not sure where this came from.

I do believe that Adam and Eve died that day. Died from a perfect spiritual and heavenly body to what we have today. This would be a body that starts dying the day it is born as it slowly starts degenerating.

I believe that only man has a soul, not animals. I believe that it is appointed unto men, once to die. In theory, animals could be regenerated over and over.... I'm just not going to state that it is true...just no biblical evidence to prove different.
 
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This is a pretty heavy subject. However, from what I understand, God made man's body, then breathed life into his nostrils and he became a living soul. This is the only creature that becomes a living soul.

Is it not comforting and foreshadowing that God loved mankind so much that He took the time to form him with His hands instead of speaking him into existence?

Also, before the fall, Adam and Eve were like we will be in heaven, perfect and without blemish. Some believe that they had an aura of light and when they sinned this went away, revealing their nakedness.

Not sure where this came from.

I do believe that Adam and Eve died that day. Died from a perfect spiritual and heavenly body to what we have today. This would be a body that starts dying the day it is born as it slowly starts degenerating.

I believe that only man has a soul, not animals. I believe that it is appointed unto men, once to die. In theory, animals could be regenerated over and over.... I'm just not going to state that it is true...just no biblical evidence to prove different.

In Ecclesiastes 12:6 and Ecclesiastes 12:7 we have a spirit that is tethered to the body by a silver like cord. (In theory this mean its possible to be outside the body yet still be alive if the connection is not broken.) The spirit returns to God who gave it. The spirit is eternal undying unlike matter which in itself given time will decay. In Ecclesiastes 3:21 the animal is also mentioned of having a spirit however this time the spirit does down into the earth. Could it be that animal spirits are constantly being reborn again?
 
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In Ecclesiastes 12:6 and Ecclesiastes 12:7 we have a spirit that is tethered to the body by a silver like cord. (In theory this mean its possible to be outside the body yet still be alive if the connection is not broken.) The spirit returns to God who gave it. The spirit is eternal undying unlike matter which in itself given time will decay. In Ecclesiastes 3:21 the animal is also mentioned of having a spirit however this time the spirit does down into the earth. Could it be that animal spirits are constantly being reborn again?
I have no scripture to back it up, but, God only says that it is appointed unto men once to die. He doesn't say animals. So, it's a little curiosity that I have that maybe animals are recycled over and over.... But, no proof.
 
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The following we have been working on the best way to communicate in terms of God's Spirit. Work in progress. The following are a list of concepts or ideas that may need to be looked at separately but are relatable.

In some context, some of God's Spirit may be in all of man. Without it, he would be dead. There may be levels or layers someone has God's Spirit with different implications.

God has a mighty Thumos. Man is made in the image of God. The Greeks believed that if a man's thumos was taken away from him he would die. On Faith and Thumos: https://www.christianforums.com/threads/growing-in-faith-and-logos.8072064/

Given someone has The Holy Ghost, they are Alive Inside. God is Holy and Separate from Sin. Someone with God's Holy Spirit would hate sin.

Salvation and life is through Jesus Christ. The only way to the father is through the son.

One way to see how this works may be in viewing The Japanese and Eastern Countries. The Japanese may have been said to have a kind of manly Thumos. As an isolated country far from Christianity, there may have been particular Spirits there, and they may have been under a particular "pact." When they started interacting with Christianity they became "Maro Poloed." They hadn't heard the Good News. After interacting with Christians, and some time, they had heard the Good News. Who hates God in Japan? Are there generational curses? They took some of the best fruit from Europe and that made them successful on some level. Because they were not built on a firm foundation with God, when Europe's fruit went bad, it may have gone worse on some level for Japan?

Question: What do you mean by "Pact?"

BC and AD were different. There may also have been particular Spirits in Japan different from other countries. Where Christians proclaim the Good News and walk it has forced spiritual confrontation in many places. (Ephesians 6:12)

I dont know if you have watched the movie Silence but the Japanese in particular were very adept at persecuting the Christians. They would first take and indulge the monks into apostasy and if one did apostatize they would use him to deconvert the others. The other option they gave him was a slow form of hanging torture called Tsurushi which made many others recant. The hostile feudal lords made entire villages that were in contact with the Christian monks recant by stepping on an image of Christ. Using spies and informers anyone who hesitated was usually killed. Sometimes the entire village was razed.
 
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This is a pretty heavy subject. However, from what I understand, God made man's body, then breathed life into his nostrils and he became a living soul. This is the only creature that becomes a living soul.


Soul there simply is a figure of speech that means a person or human or a living thing...it is not the same meaning as the soul within a person like our spirit.

Living soul is also used of animals:

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Living soul, khah'ee nephesh

Gen 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Living creature is the same Hebrew words, khah'ee nephesh

H5315
נפשׁ
nephesh
neh'-fesh
From H5314; properly a breathing creature, that is, animal or (abstractly) vitality; used very widely in a literal, accommodated or figurative sense (bodily or mental): - any, appetite, beast, body, breath, creature, X dead (-ly), desire, X [dis-] contented, X fish, ghost, + greedy, he, heart (-y), (hath, X jeopardy of) life (X in jeopardy), lust, man, me, mind, mortality, one, own, person, pleasure, (her-, him-, my-, thy-) self, them (your) -selves, + slay, soul, + tablet, they, thing, (X she) will, X would have it.

Soul may have been an ok translation hundreds of years ago but it is misleading and causing doctrinal errors and false teachings today.

This is a far better translation for today's English:

(GW) Then the LORD God formed the man from the dust of the earth and blew the breath of life into his nostrils. The man became a living being.

(ISV) So the LORD God formed the man from the dust of the ground, breathed life into his lungs, and the man became a living being.

(TLV) Then Adonai Elohim formed the man out of the dust from the ground and He breathed into his nostrils a breath of life—so the man became a living being.
 
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I dont know if you have watched the movie Silence but the Japanese in particular were very adept at persecuting the Christians. They would first take and indulge the monks into apostasy and if one did apostatize they would use him to deconvert the others. The other option they gave him was a slow form of hanging torture called Tsurushi which made many others recant. The hostile feudal lords made entire villages that were in contact with the Christian monks recant by stepping on an image of Christ. Using spies and informers anyone who hesitated was usually killed. Sometimes the entire village was razed.

Sounds similar to but different then the persecution of early Christians around pagans.
 
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Animals have the breath of life in them too:

http://biblehub.com/interlinear/genesis/7-15.htm

Genesis 7:15 - "And they went in with Noah into the ark two and two of all flesh, which in is the breath of life."
This is not a reference to the animals. They have a body and a soul. Adam and Eve had a body - soul & spirit. Genesis 2:7 "Then the LORD God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being." The domesticated animals were different then the wild animals. This is why Noah saved them on the Ark. There are experts at the university of Jerusalem that study the domestication of ancient plants and animals in the Middle East.
 
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This is not a reference to the animals. They have a body and a soul. Adam and Eve had a body - soul & spirit. Genesis 2:7 "Then the LORD God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being." The domesticated animals were different then the wild animals. This is why Noah saved them on the Ark. There are experts at the university of Jerusalem that study the domestication of ancient plants and animals in the Middle East.
Thank you for expanding on this! .. it isn't so clear what you are saying though, it is as though you are suggesting that Genesis 7:15 is not saying that the "two of all flesh" that went aboard the ark were ones "which in is the breath of life". On the most obvious reading, it does appear to be saying exactly that the animals going aboard the ark had the breath of life in them. If you are presenting a different view, then you would need to offer a sufficient explanation to understand how this apparent reading of Genesis 7:15 is not the most accurate rendering (and it would help if you can show an example from a translation that agrees with you that the two of each flesh going on the ark did not have the breath of life in them).
 
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breath of life".

Thank you for expanding on this! .. it isn't so clear what you are saying though, it is as though you are suggesting that Genesis 7:15 is not saying that the "two of all flesh" that went aboard the ark were ones "which in is the breath of life". On the most obvious reading, it does appear to be saying exactly that the animals going aboard the ark had the breath of life in them. If you are presenting a different view, then you would need to offer a sufficient explanation to understand how this apparent reading of Genesis 7:15 is not the most accurate rendering (and it would help if you can show an example from a translation that agrees with you that the two of each flesh going on the ark did not have the breath of life in them).
Strong's Hebrew: 7307. ר֫וּחַ (ruach) — 377 Occurrences --- The word: "Ruach" is used 377 times in the Bible and I do not see where this word is ever used when the Bible is talking about animals. Genesis 7:22 "22 Of all that had been on dry land, everything that had the breath of life in its nostrils died."

We know for a fact that lots of people all over the world survived Noah's flood. So the Bible makes it clear that none of these people had the breath of life in them. That is why we must be born again of the Spirit of God. At the time of Jesus they made a clear distinction between the "Jewish" people and the "Gentiles" or non Hebrew people. Jesus at one point even refers to them as "dogs". Matthew 15:26 "He replied, "It is not right to take the children's bread and toss it to the dogs."

The Bible is easy if we just stick to the Hebrew word we are talking about. Here we are talking about the word Ruach in the ancient Hebrew Language.
 
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We know for a fact that lots of people all over the world survived Noah's flood. So the Bible makes it clear that none of these people had the breath of life in them.
Could you provide evidence for this?
 
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Could you provide evidence for this?
Yes tons of it. I have studied ancient history for over 50 years. Jericho is a city we read about in the Bible and the history there goes back to ‎9600 BC. Gobrkli Tepe in Turkey goes back 11,000 years. In Northern Africa we find artifacts of sowing needles, fishing hooks and fishing nets that goes back around 43,000 years. This was when man first started to come up out of Africa. The Paleo-Indians in Amerian goes back around 16,500 years. The Clovis culture goes back around 11,500 years. 20,000 years ago they found flour that had been milled from grains. Even though of course they were wild grains at the time. Just about anywhere you go in the world you will find prehistoric archaeology going back 30 to 40,000 years. Weaving and baskets goes back 12,000 years. They have found the oldest milled flour going back around 20 to 30,000 years. We find cave art and little Venus statues going back 38,000 years. So there is just a lot of prehistory to be found.

At the time Adam and Eve lived in the Garden of Eden there could have been as many as 1 million people alive in the world at that time. I can give you a quick history. 175 million years ago Pangaea began to break up. This was the beginning of the end of dinosaurs. IF each day is half of the day before then in 7 days around 2.8 million years we find the first humans. The go another 7 days where each day is half the length of the day before and that brings us to around 43,000 years ago when man came out of africa.
 
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