The Homosexuality Issue

1stcenturylady said:

God condemned those churches who allowed false doctrine into their churches, not sinners seeking salvation.

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I'm not talking about "sinner seeking salvation" I'm talking about "Christian" who approve, promote and practice sin themselves.

Spiritualized said:

Thanks for mentioning this - I've only came back to this forum tonight after 7 years away, so will refresh myself on the FAQs shortly. It strikes me as both sad and bizarre if these talking points are forbidden. As loving Christians, I'd have thought it's within us to discuss things civilly and respectfully. Isn't that the whole purpose of forums? The "homosexuality" topic is probably the biggest topic (and arguably one of the most important we get right) of our time within our faith. Strikes me as crazy it would then be banned from discussion, certainly when no one has really been abusive. But there we go. I'll have a read of the FAQs and if I feel it's too oppressive or dictates what you can and can't say, I'll have to consider whether I continue to use this specific board. God bless

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You can go to Junk drawer and post there no problem , or this thread could be simply moved there .

1stcenturylady said:

Yay! Glad to hear it.

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It now says Christian! Yipee! I'm counted

dreadnought said:

To me the issue is a pastor going in front of the congregation and stating, or insinuating, that homosexuality is not a sin. That drives me up the wall.

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It is a false doctrine, which disqualifies them as a teacher or pastor.

Spiritualized said:

It now says Christian! Yipee! I'm counted

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I've got goose bumps and tears in my eyes!

dreadnought said:

That is a problem. I'm not comfortable with homosexual and lesbian pastors. I wonder if a homosexual pastor could refrain from advocating for homosexuality.

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(FYI, this is one of the few forums in CF where it is legitimate to defend the acceptability of homosexuality. About 60% of Methodists in the US consider it acceptable.)

You seem to have had a particularly bad experience. I'm very sorry for your bad experience. But I'd say in general that Christian leaders who accept homosexuality as OK (whether they are themselves or not) don't talk about it all the time, nor attack members of the congregation who disagree. However I would expect them to say something about it from time to time, just as I would expect those who are opposed to say something from time to time.

I've actually never heard a sermon about it, and our church and its pastors are strongly in favor of accepting homosexuality as normal.

Thedictator said:

I'm not talking about "sinner seeking salvation" I'm talking about "Christian" who approve, promote and practice sin themselves.

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They lie and the truth is not in them.

hedrick said:

(FYI, this is one of the few forums in CF where it is legitimate to defend the acceptability of homosexuality. About 60% of Methodists in the US consider it acceptable.)

You seem to have had a particularly bad experience. I'm very sorry for your bad experience. But I'd say in general that Christian leaders who accept homosexuality as OK (whether they are themselves or not) don't talk about it all the time, nor attack members of the congregation who disagree. However I would expect them to say something about it from time to time, just as I would expect those who are opposed to say something from time to time.

I've actually never heard a sermon about it, and our church and its pastors are strongly in favor of accepting homosexuality as normal.

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And what about you? Do you believe it is normal and not a sin?

Chinchilla said:

You can go to controversial forum and post there no problem , or this thread could be simply moved there .

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Discussion of the acceptability of homosexuality is legal in this forum but not in Controversial theology. This thread, however, doesn't seem like a useful place to do it.

1stcenturylady said:

And what about you? Do you believe it is normal and not a sin?

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yes

hedrick said:

yes

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Then stay in your church and not mine.

dreadnought said:

God makes it very clear that homosexuality is a sin (Lev 18:22). I know from personal experience that immoral sex destroys lives. I try hard to resist temptation. I found it agonizing when my pastor gave his blessing to immoral sex (homosexuality). We have a new pastor now and he says he won't do that.

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That's a step in the right direction anyway. What does he think about the bishop? Has she been replaced?

dreadnought said:

It's a huge issue in the United Methodist Church, as I mentioned in my first post. It was meant for United Methodists, though I'm enjoying reading all these responses.

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It is a huge issue in general, which is why I don't understand why threads on the topic end up in file 13.

dreadnought said:

God makes it very clear that homosexuality is a sin (Lev 18:22). I know from personal experience that immoral sex destroys lives. I try hard to resist temptation. I found it agonizing when my pastor gave his blessing to immoral sex (homosexuality). We have a new pastor now and he says he won't do that.

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People have varying experiences. I had a cousin who was married to someone with sexual identity issues who decided to try to be straight. I didn't talk with him about it, but he was a conservative Christian, so I assume he was doing what he was taught. The results weren't good. (I have personal reasons not to want to go into more details about the results.)

I'm glad your pastor won't make you feel unwelcome. Particularly in mainline traditions such as Methodism, we should accept that disagreements happen, and accept those who disagree with us as fellow Christians.

HereIStand said:

It is a huge issue in general, which is why I don't understand why threads on the topic end up in file 13.

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They do???

dreadnought said:

At some point the pastor ought to mention that ALL forms of sexual immorality are destructive.

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Homosexual sex is worse than any other as it is physically as well a morally turning God's Creation on it's head .At the beginning there were always man and woman ,and there was no need for 'marriage' which is a formalised Relationship before God and community . There is never ,was never any such thing a homosexuality in God's creation .It is a creation of Satan to pervert God's plan for his people .
So no, there is no other sin so serious ,when it is promoted widely everywhere now, in all of the world, to change basic creation.

For me the scandal lies in the promotion of , and the forcing of people to normalise and accept it everywhere . When it was a private thing , then it was between the person and God .Now it is considered no sin, and all must accept , or be in danger of losing one job ,etc.

1stcenturylady said:

They do???

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That's been my experience. Maybe there has been a policy change.

hedrick said:

I'm glad your pastor won't make you feel unwelcome. Particularly in mainline traditions such as Methodism, we should accept that disagreements happen, and accept those who disagree with us as fellow Christians.

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Wow, what has the church come to, when a man who stands up for the word of God should be unwelcome for doing so. Is that common practice in your church?

1stcenturylady said:

They do???

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Yes. Discussions of the ethics of homosexuality are only legal here, in the ELCA group, and in the Liberal group. People participating in the discussions are expected to abide by the rules of the group, which means that it isn't permitted to condemn the group for its acceptance of gays. Not that there's any hope of that happening.