Whale Fossils Discovered High Up In Andes Mountains

Isaiah60 said:

No. We've already been through this. What is there to bury the whale?

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Sediment. It's a constant rain of sediment onto the ocean floor.

How is the whale gonna be buried in the sediment on the ocean floor? There are many scavengers that will keep on feasting until the whale and its bones are gone.

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No,l that's wrong. We have whale fossils with signs of being fed on by scavengers. So the argument fails by counter-example.

Now during the Flood there would have been some whales who were caught up above the mountains and thrust against rock and buried in the sediments.

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A flood that flings whales up into mountains, without breaking any bones, or swamping any Arks that happen to be around. And bringing along hundreds of feet of sediment that were then neatly layered back in order when they landed. How does that happen?

And since whales would have stayed near the surface during the Flood its not hard to see how some whales became victims of the Flood.

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Let's see what a knowledgeable YE creationist has to say about that...

At this point in time, the largest challenge from the stratomorphic intermediate record appears to this author to come from the fossil record of the whales. There is a strong stratigraphic series of archaeocete genera claimed by Gingerich(Ambulocetus, Rhodocetus, and Prozeuglodon[or the similar-aged


Basilosaurus]) followed on the one hand by modern mysticetes,and on the other hand by the family Squalodontidae and then modern odontocetes.


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Because the land mammal-to-whale transition (theorized by macroevolutionary theory and evidenced by the fossil record) is a land-to-sea transition, the relative order of land mammals, archaeocetes, and modern whales is not explainable in the conventional Flood geology method (transgressing Flood waters). Furthermore, whale fossils are only known in Cenozoic (and thus post-Flood) sediments.

This seems to run counter to the intuitive expectation that the whales should have been found in or even throughout Flood sediments. At present creation theory has no good explanation for the fossil record of whales.
YE creationist Kurt Wise, Toward a Creationist Understanding of Transitional Forms

(Barbarian notes that many fossil whales have signs of being fed on by scavengers)

Job 14:18-19 New International Version (NIV 1984)
18 “But as a mountain erodes and crumbles
and as a rock is moved from its place,
19 as water wears away stones
and torrents wash away the soil
so you destroy man's hope.

Here Job is witnessing the aftermath of the Flood which was still ongoing in his day.

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We see that happening today. So no "aftermath."

Uplifts did not place fossils on the Andes.

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The Eastern Andes are made of ocean floor. No point in denying the fact.

Its all the vague imaginations of men who hate God and want to turn their nation into a communist country.

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You need to set aside your Marxist ideology and consider the facts.

With that said, evolution theory is thoroughly discredited in one word: Europe! One look at Europe today is proof humans cannot believe in evolution with killing themselves off. Obviously it is not natural to live apart from God. Europe was doing fine until they abandoned God.

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The homicide rate is at historic lows in the United States, and it's still higher than in Europe. You seem to have it backwards.

I'm a far cry from being a Marxist.

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I see your denial. But like all good Marxists, you seem to think that everything is about Marxism.

Its an excuse based on political reasoning.

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Marxists say "everything is political."

(Barbarian shows that the Chicxulub event did not cause a worldwide firestorm)

All documentaries show a firestorm (or ejector cloud) covering the earth.

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The You Tube videos you watched were for objects several hundred kilometers in diameter. The Chicxulub object was maybe 15 kilometers wide.

I have never seen one video where the firestorm did not cover the earth.

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Plenty of examples out there:

An asteroid large enough to destroy all life is gonna have the same effect as a larger asteroid. And if the firestorm was localized, which is what I'm getting from you, then dinosaurs in different parts of the world should be doing just fine.

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No, that's wrong. The dust thrown up caused several years of super cold winters and stopped photosynthesis. Starved and frozen, all land animals larger than a few kilograms in mass, died.

These sea shells was found on Mount Everest.

chuckpeterson said:

These sea shells was found on Mount Everest.

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Mt. Everest is made of the fossils of sea organisms. It was continental shelf before it was pushed up by the collision of India with Asia. The collision is still going on; India pushes a few centimeters a year into Asia, and the Himalayas continue to rise.

The Barbarian said:

The collision is still going on; India pushes a few centimeters a year into Asia, and the Himalayas continue to rise.

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I agree, but there is a little more to it than that. Some suggest that the process was linear, a slow gradual crash between the plates. I believe there were periods where the forces between the plates gives way causing a massive uplift within weeks or even days.

chuckpeterson said:

I agree, but there is a little more to it than that. Some suggest that the process was linear, a slow gradual crash between the plates. I believe there were periods where the forces between the plates gives way causing a massive uplift within weeks or even days.

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Thankfully we have basic physics and geology which allows us to rule this option out.

KomatiiteBIF said:

Thankfully we have basic physics and geology which allows us to rule this option out.

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I really liked your links. But your links did not disprove the following:
[1] The plates are under extreme pressure pushing against each other
[2] under this huge pressure one or both of the plates cracks and gives way to the other.
[3] the resulting pressure on the rock is relieved by a great uplift.
[4] the noise of this sudden cracking and uplifting could be heard all around the globe

chuckpeterson said:

I really liked your links. But your links did not disprove the following:
[1] The plates are under extreme pressure pushing against each other
[2] under this huge pressure one or both of the plates cracks and gives way to the other.
[3] the resulting pressure on the rock is relieved by a great uplift.
[4] the noise of this sudden cracking and uplifting could be heard all around the globe

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Are you familiar with...



this^


https://opentextbc.ca/geology/chapter/7-3-plate-tectonics-and-metamorphism/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subdu...emperature_conditions_in_subduction_zones.jpg

and this^

These are depths and pressures at which various metamorphic facies form.

We know what types of pressures and temperatures rocks undergo and have undergone.

Thank you for the compliment btw.

We also have published research on rocks, subjected to super high pressures and heat in laboratory machines. And we can see what pressures and temperatures are necessary to alter their form, and when a rock transitions from brittle deformation to ductile deformation, and when minerals lineate, things like this.

If you look at the figure above, you will see "conditions that don't exist on earth".

When speaking of the himilayas being pushed into the atmosphere in a week, rather than over millions of years, this is precisely the area of the chart that you are in. Well, really you would probably be a good mile off of the chart.

There is no way to reconcile the suggestion that the himilayas might have sprung up over night, with modern day physics and chemistry. Nor geology.

These folds could not have happened in days or weeks or months. The rock would merely have shattered.

Folding up an entire continental shelf in less than a year would have involved energies sufficient to melt the rock.

However, I'm a biologist, and yield the floor to those better trained in the physics of convergent boundaries than I am.

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