If you want to do something about the environment you should abandon eating meat.

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Acts 11:8 But I said, Not so, Lord: for nothing common or unclean hath at any time entered into my mouth.
Acts 11:9 But the voice answered me again from heaven, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.

agree with you verses above that supports the fact that the Lord created clean and unclean animals.
Hebrews 13:8 [Full Chapter]
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
 
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What does this verse mean to you?

This is what the Bible means of the verse
Deuteronomy 8:3
And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by everyword that proceedeth out of the mouth of the Lord doth man live.
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Matthew 4:4
But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
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Luke 4:4
And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

Jesus said a lot in the OT that still stands today.
 
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Clean, unclean animals? If your the creator why create an unclean anything?

Why did GOD tell Adam and EVE to not eat of the tree of good and evil.

can you say A TEST of obedience.

John 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Follow God or Follow satan your choice just as Adam and EVE had called FREE WILL
 
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And did He not make provision for the priests to eat meat?

Yes he did, of CLEAN animals not unclean.

So put your pork and lobster away.
 
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The best way to save the planet? Drop meat and dairy | George Monbiot

Interesting article on how destructive the meat and dairy industry is in regard to the environment. As the article puts it, if you want them to stop demolishing the rainforests to grow soya, you should eat soya, since it is far more efficient to cut out the middle cow.

Getting rid of meat and dairy entirely is a silly overkill suggestion.

It would be enough to reduce usage and draw only from sustainable sources practicing sound husbandry and stewardship (for example free-range and organic farming on a smaller local-based scale).
 
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Just to note. I am not a vegan, or vegetarian. I’m minded of the Charlton Heston quote on guns, though replacing guns with meat, leads to a complete misunderstanding:eek:

You eat with your cold, dead hands?
 
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Clean, unclean animals? If your the creator why create an unclean anything?

A type of clean and unclean people, chosen and not chosen, sanctified and not sanctified. See Genesis 1. God begins the restoration by making large scale distinctions between what is good and not so good.
 
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This is what the Bible means of the verse
Deuteronomy 8:3
And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by everyword that proceedeth out of the mouth of the Lord doth man live.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
Matthew 4:4
But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
Luke 4:4
And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

Jesus said a lot in the OT that still stands today.

You believe the entire Old Testament law applies to Christians?
 
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I understand vegetarianism, although I'm not one.

I don't understand veganism. I like omelettes.
Personally I don't see the moral objection to eating chicken period in general, but some do. If it was just opposition to egg battery farming, maybe, but out and out refusal to eat even loose chicken eggs is odd.
 
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You believe the entire Old Testament law applies to Christians?


the answer to this question is based on what Jesus said and that is not the laws set by man
Matthew 4:4
But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

There were four sets of law given by Jesus to Moses on the mountain

1-The royal law (ten commandments) which Jesus wrote with his own finger on stone.
James 2:8
If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
Exodus 31:18
And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.
Exodus 20
20 And God spake all these words, saying,
2 I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
7 Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lordwill not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.
13 Thou shalt not kill.
14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
15 Thou shalt not steal.
16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

2-The dietary laws which Jesus spoke and Moses wrote down.
Leviticus 11 [Full Chapter]
And the Lord spake unto Moses and to Aaron, saying unto them, Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, These are the beasts which ye shall eat among all the beasts that are on the earth.

3-The Civil Law how to treat our fellow human beings.
Exodus 22 & 23

4-Then there was the Ceremonial Law (Sanctuaty message) This law pointed the Jewish Nation to Jesus Christ as the Lamb of GOD. When Jesus died on the cross the viel in the Temple was ripped from top to bottom signifing that this law was finished, completed, Fulfilled by JESUS.
Exodus 25:8
And let them make me a sanctuary; that I may dwell among them.

Laws 1, 2 & 3 are still in effect for humanity as stated by the Creator Jesus Christ because they can not be fulfilled only KEPT.

Now answer me this question.

Were any of these laws present when Cain Killed Able?
 
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one will be healthier to cut back on red meat

we rarely have red meat; earlier this yr tho decided we needed a change and bought some ground beef for tacos

child and I both got sick

a Dr on tv described how the body breaks down red meat and it's like rotten meat sitting in your intestines
kinda grossed me out

we ate at a friends house once and they had bought a whole or half cow so they had all this beef they cooked but only partly cooked so there was all this blood on the meat and serving dish
could not touch it as was so grossed out
hoped they didn't notice I only took side dishes...ha
 
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Are intensive factory farming methods bad? Yes. Both in the meat and crop-growing industry.

Crop growing does nothing but strip nutrients and carbon from the soil, responsible pastureland management of livestock rotation techniques can sequester carbon, repair the topsoil by returning nutrients, reduce and reverse desertification, stabilise the water table, encourage other wildlife back to desertified pasture land.

If you look at the facts rather than vegan propaganda then you have to ask the question - how can anyone possibly think you can feed the world on a vegan diet?
 
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