Do you believe God does NOT love everyone?

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Should we take that to mean God is always good, that everything God does is morally good & righteous, everything He does falls within the category of “good”? Is it an absolute, never-changing fact? *OR*, should we instead take that to mean God is usually good but still does immoral & unrighteous things once in a while? Is “God is good” just a general statement and not absolute? Does God do anything that has no good in it?

When Isaiah said that God makes evil (Isaiah 45:7) I think it means that God destroys. That's not necessarily a moral evil.

In terms of moral rightness, there must always be an arbiter to define what is good. Objective reality, taken strictly on its own merits isn't good enough. For example, I just saw an egret eat a fish. The egret would say that was a good thing, and the fish would call it a horrible evil. The definition of moral good, then, is something like an opinion, not being an objective and observable fact, but it is also an absolute, meaning that I don't get to decide it for myself and commit whatever ill against my neighbor and call it good. That makes it something like an absolute opinion. Only God is capable of putting forth an absolute opinion. Hence, the definition of moral good comes only from God. He defines what is good, and he is good, by definition.

When people revolt at the idea of God casting sinners into Hell, they see it as a moral outrage. That's because they have a standard of goodness that runs contrary to God. Their idea of moral good is defined by themselves, or society, or a book they read somewhere. They put God on trial and stand in judgment over him, for not living up to a definition of goodness which God did not define. They condemn God on the basis of an opinion, and not an absolute one.

Everything he does is a moral good.
 
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“For all who do these, and all who do unrighteously, are an abomination to יהוה your Elohim.” Deuteronomy 25:16

“O יהוה, in the morning You hear my voice; I present myself to You in the morning, And I look up. For You are not an El taking delight in wrong, Nor does evil dwell with You. The boasters do not stand before Your eyes; You hate all workers of wickedness.” Psalm 5:3-5

“Turn away from evil and do good; Seek peace, and pursue it. The eyes of יהוה are on the righteous, And His ears unto their cry. The face of יהוה is against evil-doers, To cut off their remembrance from the earth.” Psalm 34:14-16 (quoted by Peter in 1 Peter 3:10-12)

Yes, God is always good, but hate is not always necessarily evil. What is necessary is obeying God, and it is not necessary for God to love those who disobey him.

"You who love יהוה, hate evil! He guards the lives of His kind ones, He delivers them out of the hand of the wrong." Psalms 97:10

"O יהוה, do I not hate them, who hate You? And do I not loathe those who rise up against You? With a complete hatred I hate them; They have become my enemies." Psalms 139:21-22
 
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es, God is always good, but hate is not always necessarily evil. What is necessary is obeying God, and it is not necessary for God to love those who disobey him.
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It seemed to me that if you start a thread entitled "Do you believe God does NOT love everyone?" defining "love" would be appropriate. Some people believe love is how you feel, but in the biblical sense, I think love is about how you treat people.
We're talking about agape love - the question is for those who feel God does not have agape love for all people. It doesn't have to be expressed in the same way or to the same degree towards all people - it just has to be present to some degree towards all people.
 
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Esau didnt seem to value his birthright. I must confess that i hope everyone, even the most evil of men, will be saved. Is that wrong? I ask myself that question lately.

Not to derail this thread since the OP specifically asked it not to be done, but still I feel i must say this to you, @W2L . That no, no it is not wrong of you to have compassion and mercy for men who may be seemingly the most evil of all men, and desire them to also be forgiven and saved. For that shows you have humility and recognize that you were once a sinner unforgiven just as they. And that to you, mercy rejoices over judgment. I do not see how your attitude in this particular regard conflicts with our good Lord Jesus Christ, and any Christian who tries to tell you that you are evil for thinking this way may need to seriously check themselves.
 
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Clearly God hated Esau as its so clearly stated so yes God does hate people. What I wonder is how much of that is God hating the person for who they are by nature and how much is a result of their circumstances. And when you dig deeper, how much is a result of things they have no control over.

Then there are the nations that God ordered the Israelite's to completely destroy. How could a loving God do that? We will know the truth when we reach heaven, ubt for now the only reason can think of is that the wages of sin is death so God had them put to death which was the price for their sin, however at least some of these nations were the descendants of Esau.
 
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This is solely for those who believe God does NOT love everyone.


(I tried this in a different thread before, but it got closed before I could get more than one response, so I’m gonna try it again with my own thread.)

If you believe God does NOT love everyone, I’d like to ask you to respond to the following:

Jesus tells us, “no one is good but God.” The Psalms state several times, “the Lord is good/for He is good.”

So, we seem to have the Bible teaching us quite simply: God is good. Yes?

Should we take that to mean God is always good, that everything God does is morally good & righteous, everything He does falls within the category of “good”? Is it an absolute, never-changing fact? *OR*, should we instead take that to mean God is usually good but still does immoral & unrighteous things once in a while? Is “God is good” just a general statement and not absolute? Does God do anything that has no good in it?

Please keep your responses brief and limited to what was asked. Don’t overanalyze, these aren’t “trick” questions. There will be follow up questions, but don’t try to jump ahead and bring up things I haven’t asked about. Also please don’t debate with others’ answers, I don’t want this thread getting derailed. Ignoring the guidelines can result in being regarded as off-topic and being reported.

I’m going to try to wait a bit before responding and posting the first follow up, because I want to get as many responses as possible before proceeding.

Thanks ahead of time to those who participate.

It's hard for us people to say but, apparently He does not love everyone.

For how could He send someone to hell who he loves?

A rough question and one that is not much fun to answer.

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It's hard for us people to say but, apparently He does not love everyone.

For how could He send someone to hell who he loves?

A rough question and one that is not much fun to answer.

M-Bob

People send themselves to hell.
 
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No God doesn't love everyone. Repeatedly through the old testament, God favored one tribe over an another and commissioned the subsequent slaughter of men, women, children, and infants.
You didn't answer the question. Please read the OP again and answer if you want to participate here, thanks.
 
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PLEASE READ BEFORE POSTING

This is solely for those who believe God does NOT love everyone. (I tried this in a different thread before, but it got closed before I could get more than one response, so I’m gonna try it again with my own thread.)

If you believe God does NOT love everyone, I’d like to ask you to respond to the following:

Jesus tells us, “no one is good but God.” The Psalms state several times, “the Lord is good/for He is good.”

So, we seem to have the Bible teaching us quite simply: God is good. Yes?

Should we take that to mean God is always good, that everything God does is morally good & righteous, everything He does falls within the category of “good”? Is it an absolute, never-changing fact? *OR*, should we instead take that to mean God is usually good but still does immoral & unrighteous things once in a while? Is “God is good” just a general statement and not absolute? Does God do anything that has no good in it?

Please keep your responses brief and limited to what was asked. Don’t overanalyze, these aren’t “trick” questions. There will be follow up questions, but don’t try to jump ahead and bring up things I haven’t asked about. Also please don’t debate with others’ answers, I don’t want this thread getting derailed. Ignoring the guidelines can result in being regarded as off-topic and being reported.

I’m going to try to wait a bit before responding and posting the first follow up, because I want to get as many responses as possible before proceeding.

Thanks ahead of time to those who participate.

What do you define as God's love?

Do you mean love in the sense of common grace and mercy? If that is the case, God grants all mankind love in the sense of common grace and mercy. God has every right to cast every single person into Hell because we are all born into a sinful nature. So God demonstrates a common grace by not immediately wiping out every single person.

Or do you mean love in the sense of redemptive love, where God sovereignly chooses whom He will save based on the council of His own perfect sovereign will? God redemptively loves the elect of His own choosing, not because there is something special within themselves (in and of themselves). God does not redemptively love the non-elect who He is just casting into Hell for their sins against Him.

Mankind differentiates love. As a husband to my wife, I love her in a radically different way than I love my neighbor's wife. I had certainly better love my wife differently than I love my neighbor's wife (because she is made in the image of God). If man differentiates love between people, is God not able to do so (actually in a far more perfect and righteous way)?

So, the bottom line is that the original question needs clarification. God does not love everyone in exactly the same way.
 
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