What is the 1st resurrection?

For the record, I've never seen the movie Noah. I don't watch blasphemous sacrilegious crap. I'm just speaking what the word of God says.

Next, you are mistaken in the nature of the desolation. The abomination that makes desolate is spiritual, not physical. But you are all backwards in your mode of understanding scripture so this is to be expected that you would flip this around as well.

The 3.5 year period, 42 months in which the beast exercises his authority will be the most evil time on earth that has ever occurred and will ever occur.

The first resurrection is specifically mentioned in Revelation 20.

It is those who:
1. were beheaded for the Witness of Jesus - pointing to end
2. and for the Word of God - of all ages
3. and which had not worshiped the beast, etc. - end time

Ecclesiastes 12:5-7 reveals that when we die, our "silver cord" is severed, and our flesh goes back to the earth where it came from, and our spirit goes back to God Who gave it. In Matt.10:28 our Lord Jesus showed that our soul continues after flesh death. In 2 Cor.5, Paul taught that if our flesh body were dissolved, we have another body not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.

2 Cor 5:1-4
5:1 For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.
2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:
3 If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.
4 For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.
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Paul was talking about the "spiritual body". That is the "building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens."

According to our Lord Jesus in Mark 12:25, the resurrection is as the angels which are in heaven, meaning the kind of image of the heavenly the angels have (which is also the image likeness of man which God also made them with).

In 1 Corinthians 15, Apostle Paul explained what the resurrection is, and with what type of body it comes. It is to a "spiritual body", a body of incorruption, the "image of the heavenly".


But it also is more that Paul showed.

In 1 Cor.15:53, Paul showed there MUST BE TWO CHANGES to be given eternal Life in Christ Jesus.

1 Cor 15:53-54
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
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Each one of those words in red, are different Greek words with different meanings. It's about TWO different changes we must go through, not one:

1. "corruptible" must put on "incorruption"
AND,
2. "this mortal" must put on "immortality".

"corruptible" = flesh body
"incorruption" = spiritual body
"this mortal" = a liable to die soul
"immortality" = eternal Life in Christ Jesus, an immortal soul

The "first resurrection" of Rev.20 are those who have immortality in Christ Jesus, souls that can NEVER die. That's why Rev.20 says these are not subject to the "second death."

For the saints that are "asleep" (metaphorically for those who have died), that includes those souls of OT times which Jesus preached The Gospel to at His resurrection (1 Peter 3 & 4). It was prophecy in Isaiah 42:6-7 that Jesus would lead out the prisoners in the prison house and those who sat in darkness. So those are already there with Jesus, and like Paul said in 1 Thess.4, Jesus will bring the "asleep" with Him when He comes.

Kevin Snow said:

For the record, I've never seen the movie Noah. I don't watch blasphemous sacrilegious crap. I'm just speaking what the word of God says.

Next, you are mistaken in the nature of the desolation. The abomination that makes desolate is spiritual, not physical. But you are all backwards in your mode of understanding scripture so this is to be expected that you would flip this around as well.

The 3.5 year period, 42 months in which the beast exercises his authority will be the most evil time on earth that has ever occurred and will ever occur.

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Mark 13:14 "When you see 'the abomination that causes desolation' standing where it does not belong--let the reader understand--then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.

When you see it,those in Judea will be fleeing for thier lives.
But you wont undestand its the abomination of desolation Daniel spoke of because you cant understand what that is.

Kevin Snow said:

For the record, I've never seen the movie Noah. I don't watch blasphemous sacrilegious crap. I'm just speaking what the word of God says.

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Like God said the "stone" will become alive and killing people. That is not what God means about the image of the beast at all.

Next, you are mistaken in the nature of the desolation. The abomination that makes desolate is spiritual, not physical. But you are all backwards in your mode of understanding scripture so this is to be expected that you would flip this around as well.

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You are the ONE wh oare MISTAKEN about the abomination of desolation.

The whole context is the effect of iniquity and the love growing cold in God’s people. I do not believe that Christ was telling us to check when the crime rate goes up in the world or an object set up in a literal third temple as a sign, but rather "lawlessness" or iniquity in the house of God. Love is demonstrated in our spreading the gospel, and it is manifested in our faithfulness to His word. THIS is love (as God defines love) growing cold. The love in the world has always waxed cold where unsaved people are, there has always been crime on the streets, even in the days of Christ there were highway robberies and fear of traveling at night, etc. In the world there will always be wars, evil, adulteries, lawlessness, and iniquity. That's normative for the world. However, it is THE CHURCH where it should be an unusual occurrence. Iniquity should not stand there, but love abounding. When it becomes just the opposite, this is love growing cold that Christ warned about.

Mark 13:14

• "But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:"

This is an example of iniquity abounding instead of love, an example of the love of God growing cold where God's people have forsaken Him to allow abominations to flourish in His house. What abominations? For example, divorce and remarriage, women become preachers, prosperity gospel, do not judge gospel, entertainments, "Your Best Life Now" Gospel, babbling speaking in tongue, concert style band, Dispensationalism (love for national Israel), Easy Believism (Free Will), etc. Love and Obedience, as God defines it, would not permit these things God detests to stand in the holy place, it is only the forsaking of God, the abandonment of truth in love that allows this. Love is revealed in our remaining faithful to God's commandments. It is "this" that Christ teaches us will grow cold.

Hebrews 6:10

• "For God is not unrighteous to forget your work and labour of love, which ye have shewed toward his name, in that ye have ministered to the saints, and do minister."

1t John 2:4

• "He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him."

1st John 2:5

• "But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him."

1st John 5:2

• "By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments."

1st John 5:3

• "For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous."

2nd John 1:6

• "And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it."

This is God's definition of love--our faithfulness to His word, recognizing it as the righteous and supreme authority that it is. The church once considered God's word sacred, not in word only but in deed. Now it has BECOME MORE of a suggestion or mere guidelines rather than law! The exact opposite of true love. Thus, this prophecy of love waxing (or growing) cold is the forsaking of God's commandments for the words of men. Not coincidentally, this is exactly what is going on in our day as a church after church falls into apostasy, through ignoring, twisting and usurping God's word by their own futile creativity and rationalizations. True love would not allow this, but this is the love of God growing cold so that the people of the church begin to act just like the people of the world around them. ...lawless. That is to say, they don't hold to the laws God has laid down in Scripture anymore. They hold to their own doctrines, their own sentimentality, their own carnality, hatred, biases, lusts, unrighteousness and vain justifications. When that happens, that is abomination standing where it ought not. That is abominations standing in the holy place. That is the man of sin (lawlessness) ruling in God's house. This is how the church has spiritually BECOME Babylon the Great, Revelation 18.

God is not warning the church about outward iniquity, which has been in the world since the world began, but inward iniquity, abominations standing in the church, the holy place where it ought not.

The 3.5 year period, 42 months in which the beast exercises his authority will be the most evil time on earth that has ever occurred and will ever occur.

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What is the "most evil time on earth"? Nuclear war? Seriousily?

First, the beast is a body of professed Christians who are saying peace, peace when there is no peace. They are the ones who have silenced (killed) the truthful testimony of Elect in the church. They replaced God's Truth with their own carnal doctrines. Yet, they "THINK" they have God supporting their doctrines where salvation is STILL going on in their church when there is NO SALVATION at all! God has caused them to believe a lie "THINKING" their church is protected and blessed by God. Read Revelation 9, and 2nd Thess 2:1-10 yourself. Professed Christians will go to a church where abomination of desolation is where they do not know what it is. They will have the desire to be saved or seek salvation but they will not realize that they will not be saved. They will not find salvation there. This is the evilest time on earth, especially for God's congregation where salvation cannot be found. That is the judgment of the harlot. But you are looking for physical war, physical government, physical empire you expect to attack national Israel to fulfill the prophecy, and physical object to set up upon Temple Mount where it will come alive and start killing people literally. You are dreaming because you are carnal and blind to what God says!

claninja said:

Is there scripture outside revelation to back this up? Again, your interpretation could be 100% right, however, as revelation is a symbolic book, it's important to take all scripture into consideration to make sure they harmonize.

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Thank you for recognizing this. But revelation is not a symbolic book. Please, it is a heavenly revelation. Just because it is heavenly, spiritual, does not make these things symbols. Remember what Christ said,

Your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. ~Matthew 6:10

So his will is perfectly complete in heaven and is the example for earth to follow. So here, John is seeing a heavenly revelation which IS more true than our experience on earth. So put this in that perspective. The book of revelations is more real than our reality. So its from that stance that I come to the book of revelations and I come quietly for:

Be not rash with your mouth, nor let your heart be hasty to utter a word before God, for God is in heaven and you are on earth. Therefore let your words be few. ~Ecclesiastes 5:2

I am not quick to say anything about revelations, which is why I haven't yet answered any of your questions. We need to first approach the word of God in this way BEFORE we even THINK anything about it.

So again, its not a symbolic book but a heavenly book. 2 completely different things because it leads our understanding of it.

Next, we don't need scripture outside of Revelations to back anything in Revelations because Revelations is scripture. It comes with the authority of the word of God. What we need other scripture for is our own interpretations. But scripture is the establishment of the truth, so when we understand this book to be a heavenly revelation then we know that it is stand alone in many things and is the very thing which we learn from. Since Revelations is one of a kind in terms of its detail of the heavenly things, we see things established which are only in the book of revelations; not all things but things.

So no, I don't need scripture outside of revelations to read revelations and understand it, since this is scripture that is teaching me right now. So I can just as easily understand other scripture through Revelations as you are expecting Revelations to be understood through other scripture. Keep that in mind.

So it is clear you think the mark as being symbolic when you say that people took the mark when they said, "we have no king but Caesar." But this is going directly against scripture because scripture teaches that you get the mark on your hand or forehead and that it is a physical mark on your hand or forehead. There was no mark on anyone that appeared during all our time of being here, so this is your problem.

You may say that the mark is in the spirit realm and can't be seen on earth but this comes from thinking of the book symbolically. You approach it with this bent and so interpret that scripture that way. I don't approach it as symbolic at all. I understand what is heavenly in it and I understand what that means on earth because of what it is in heaven. 2 completely different ways to look at it.

And with this other approach, which is true, the mark is unequivocally physical in the context of the scripture written and will actually appear on the hand or the forehead during the 42 months in which the beast exercises its authority.

Now you have a problem with the beast. You think of it in terms of a conglomerate, which it is. You are right in this. But you are not understanding how this conglomerate manifests itself on earth. In my approach, it is the man of lawlessness himself which is the manifestation of this beast who has a false prophet under him who causes all to be marked physically on the right hand or the forehead during his 42 months of exercising his authority.

And that's it. I don't need to completely define what the beast is on earth to understand it since the man of lawlessness is the manifestation of all the beast on earth. Even though the beast is a kingdom, it has a "king." It's just that simple.

shilohsfoal said:

Mark 13:14 "When you see 'the abomination that causes desolation' standing where it does not belong--let the reader understand--then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.

When you see it,those in Judea will be fleeing for thier lives.
But you wont undestand its the abomination of desolation Daniel spoke of because you cant understand what that is.

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Son, you are missing what is simple, clear and obvious. The abomination of desolation is the man of lawlessness standing in the most holy place in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God. It is this action alone that begins his 42 month reign of evil abominable tyranny because he is taken over by Satan completely by doing this.

As per Mark 13:14 and 2 Thessalonians 2:4. That's how those scriptures combine. But being an earthly man you cannot possibly understand why this would be so bad...it could not possibly be desolation! It didn't kill anyone! OH MY!

You are an earthly man and have no understanding of the spiritual things. The abomination of desolation is spiritual not physical bombings. Anyone can do that today. The man of lawlessness is the ONLY one who does what he does. NOBODY has that kind of wickedness in his heart or brazen lack of fear of God than this most WORTHLESS WICKED thing.

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According to jesus, the general resurrection occurs at his coming
27 For the Son of Man is going to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay each person according to what he has done.
Matthew 16:27 - Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 16:27 - English Standard Version
31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. 46 And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
Matthew 25:31,46 - Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 25:31, Matthew 25:46 - English Standard Version

According to Paul the last enemy (death/final resurrection) occurs at Jesus’ coming
But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ.
1 Corinthians 15:23 - Bible Gateway passage: 1 Corinthians 15:23 - English Standard Version
For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord.
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 - Bible Gateway passage: 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 - English Standard Version

So if the final/general resurrection occurs at Christ’s coming, when does the 1st resurrection occur?

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That all depends when the timing of the millenium occurs and the great white throne judgement.
Christ raises believers first for certain at His second coming.
The dead in Christ come fist, then we who are left immediately after, but does not mention the resurrection of the damned, until the end of Revelation 20 which also is the second death. anyone who is not a Christian will be judged by their works, not what they believed about anything, but by their deeds.

7 Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. 9 They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them. 10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

The Great White Throne Judgment
11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before [c]God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books.

13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works. 14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second [d]death. 15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.

When Christ returns, the only ones who are left alive are His believers, the others who are disobedient to the gospel or who do not know God are destroyed-consumed by fire by the brightness of His coming.
So there will not be any unsaved people left alive after the second coming. You can not read it any other way. They will all of them be dead, so they will only appear once again at a resurrection of them, when they die they will go to hell fire to await the final judgement, which is when they will be resurrected..

2 thessalonians 1
6 since it is a righteous thing with God to repay with [c]tribulation those who trouble you, 7 and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, 8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who [d]believe, because our testimony among you was believed.

The final judgement is that great white throne judgement and it occurs with the current heavens and earth gone, they disappear, same as Peter teaches with a roar, melting in a fervent heat. All those 'dead' are judged by their works, the things they did, and afterwards if not judged worthy of eternal life are thrown into the final consummation of evil, the lake of fire. And then God creates a new heaven, and a new earth, it is the end of this age and the beginning of the age to come.

claninja said:

If Christ is in heaven until ALL his enemies are defeated, with death being the last enemy, how can a 1st resurrection occur (defeat of death) occur before the defeat of satan (revelation 20:7)?

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Before you can ask those things you first need to be able to answer the following things.

Revelation 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.


Obviously at this point Christ is no longer in heaven.

Revelation 19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.


Obviously these are some of His enemies and that they are not even defeated yet, not until Christ first leaves heaven then confronts these face to face.

Revelation 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.


So how does Christ accomplish these things without even leaving heaven in order to do so? How can verse 20 and 21 possibly be fulfilled apart from the 2nd coming? How can the 2nd coming not involve literally physically leaving heaven? How can death be defeated while those in verse 21 would still be physically alive until Christ kills them when He returns? And as of verse 21, the GTWJ hasn't even been factored in yet. Obviously the GTWJ is meaning a time post that of verse 21 above. Because if it isn't, that means these will never be resurrected nor stand in judgment at the GWTJ if that judgment has preceded their deaths.
The last enemy death can't be destroyed before the time of the GWTJ.

claninja said:

Scripture interprets scripture, and yes that includes revelation.

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Kevin Snow said:

So I can just as easily understand other scripture through Revelations as you are expecting Revelations to be understood through other scripture. Keep that in mind.

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You aren't listening but only interested in expressing YOUR opinion. Nothing that I've said is wrong. If you listen as if you have something to learn then there is a point to this conversation. But if you just talk as if you are already the one who is right, then please write a book about it so that we can understand the full picture.

As it is, I did write a book about it. I'm sure you will have many problems with it but it is written as wisdom literature and not a thesis.

The Sounding of the Horn, an Ebook by Kevin Snow

Kevin Snow said:

The Sounding of the Horn, an Ebook by Kevin Snow

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Your book is too long. Too many misapplied Scripture. And tons of private interpretation concerning Medes and Persia. Too much personal stories which has nothing to do with bible studies, including your experience in Colorado. What you write do not make any biblical sense. Really boring to read. You posted this ebook in Oct 2016 with NO review. Go figure.

Kevin Snow said:

Son, you are missing what is simple, clear and obvious. The abomination of desolation is the man of lawlessness standing in the most holy place in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God. It is this action alone that begins his 42 month reign of evil abominable tyranny because he is taken over by Satan completely by doing this.

As per Mark 13:14 and 2 Thessalonians 2:4. That's how those scriptures combine. But being an earthly man you cannot possibly understand why this would be so bad...it could not possibly be desolation! It didn't kill anyone! OH MY!

You are an earthly man and have no understanding of the spiritual things. The abomination of desolation is spiritual not physical bombings. Anyone can do that today. The man of lawlessness is the ONLY one who does what he does. NOBODY has that kind of wickedness in his heart or brazen lack of fear of God than this most WORTHLESS WICKED thing.

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Why do you ignore God?

Daniel 11:31 "His armed forces will rise up to desecrate the temple fortress and will abolish the daily sacrifice. Then they will set up the abomination that causes desolation.

The word of God plainly states his armed forces set up the abomination of desolation..
Yet ,not only do you ignore what the word of God says,you attempt to deceive those who can hear the word of God with you foolish gibber.

shilohsfoal said:

Why do you ignore God?

Daniel 11:31 "His armed forces will rise up to desecrate the temple fortress and will abolish the daily sacrifice. Then they will set up the abomination that causes desolation.

The word of God plainly states his armed forces set up the abomination of desolation..
Yet ,not only do you ignore what the word of God says,you attempt to deceive those who can hear the word of God.

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Are you listening at all? There are TWO periods of 3.5 years. The FIRST 3.5 year period is where his armed forces desecrate the temple and abolish the daily sacrifice. AFTER THIS it says THEN they will set up the abomination that causes desolation in the SECOND 3.5 year period.

AND HOW THEY SET THIS ABOMINATION THAT MAKES DESOLATE IS BY GOING INTO THE MOST HOLY PLACE AND PROCLAIMING HIMSELF TO BE GOD WHICH STARTS HIS 42 MONTHS OF EXERCISING AUTHORITY.

Kevin Snow said:

Are you listening at all? There are TWO periods of 3.5 years. The FIRST 3.5 year period is where his armed forces desecrate the temple and abolish the daily sacrifice. AFTER THIS it says THEN they will set up the abomination that causes desolation in the SECOND 3.5 year period.

AND HOW THEY SET THIS ABOMINATION THAT MAKES DESOLATE IS BY GOING INTO THE MOST HOLY PLACE AND PROCLAIMING HIMSELF TO BE GOD WHICH STARTS HIS 42 MONTHS OF EXERCISING AUTHORITY.

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Daniel 11:31 "His armed forces will rise up to desecrate the temple fortress and will abolish the daily sacrifice. Then they will set up the abomination that causes desolation.

He doesn set upthe abomination thatcauses desolation.
The word of God says,his armed forces set up the abomination that causes desolation.The word of God.
At the end of the forty two months the two witnesses will ride that mushhroom shaped cloud into the sky.


But you put your trust in fairy tales

Daniel 11:31 "His armed forces will rise up to desecrate the temple fortress and will abolish the daily sacrifice. Then they will set up the abomination that causes desolation.

shilohsfoal said:

Daniel 11:31 "His armed forces will rise up to desecrate the temple fortress and will abolish the daily sacrifice. Then they will set up the abomination that causes desolation.

He doesn set upthe abomination thatcauses desolation.
The word of God says,his armed forces set up the abomination that causes desolation.The word of God.
At the end of the forty two months the two witnesses will ride that mushhroom shaped cloud into the sky.


But you put your trust in fairy tales

Daniel 11:31 "His armed forces will rise up to desecrate the temple fortress and will abolish the daily sacrifice. Then they will set up the abomination that causes desolation.

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WOW. You think it says his armed forces set up the abomination because of the word "THEY"!!!???

So pause and think for one minute. You don't think that its possible that "they" refers to his armed forces AND the man of lawlessness?

TribulationSigns said:

Really boring to read. You posted this ebook in Oct 2016 with NO review. Go figure.

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We probably could have done without the parts I have quoted above. You probably should have kept those things to yourself and let each one decide for his or herself, assuming they DL the Ebook then read it. At least he wasn't trying to profit off of it like some people do, where they freely receive, and assuming they receive insight into things, instead of freely sharing those insights they sell them to you instead, in the books they have written, even though God never charged them for the alleged insights that they chose to put in a book then sell to you or me or whoever. I don't have anything against authors writing books and then selling those books. But none of those books for sell should be any alleged insights one has freely received though. Only IMO of course.


Matthew 10:8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

This concept should apply to more than just the above things mentioned....freely ye have received, freely give.