Hostility between LDS and mainstream Christians

He is the way said:

The gift of everlasting or eternal life is given freely to those who keep the commandments:

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A gift is not free if you have to earn it.

BigDaddy4 said:

A gift is not free if you have to earn it.

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As I have stated before, a gift can not be earned. The gift is given to those who are worthy to receive it. We are not saved by works nor are we saved without them.

BigDaddy4 said:

A gift is not free if you have to earn it.

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It isn't exactly given freely if the Giver is under obligation to give it.

D&C 82
10 I, the Lord, am bound when ye do what I say; but when ye do not what I say, ye have no promise.
Doctrine and Covenants 82

He is the way said:

As I have stated before, a gift can not be earned. The gift is given to those who are worthy to receive it. We are not saved by works nor are we saved without them.

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In Mormonism, one thinks he is worthy if he obeyed umpteen laws. If he drinks coffee or tea, he is unworthy. It never occurred to a Mormon that he is always unworthy.

Matthew 15
10 And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand: 11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man...

15 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Declare unto us this parable. 16 And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding? 17 Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught? 18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man. 19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies: 20 These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.

He is the way said:

You quoted:

"Even that grace of God promised in the scriptures comes only “after all we can do.”10
The Brilliant Morning of Forgiveness - Boyd K. Packer

A commandment from God:

(New Testament | Mark 12:30)

30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.

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But for the grace of God, we couldn't love Him because we we were sometimes darkness.

1 Corinthians 15
9 For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. 10 But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.

He is the way said:

So Jesus is wrong, we don't need to keep the commandments to inherit eternal life? So what about the rich man and Lazarus? Should money be our God? Is money more important than the life of a beggar?:

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There were 613 commandments. All have sinned.

He is the way said:

(New Testament | 2 Peter 1:4 - 11)

4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
5 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;
6 And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
7 And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
9 But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

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Great advice! And who gives heed to His words? Those who have His Spirit!

He is the way said:

So Jesus is wrong, we don't need to keep the commandments to inherit eternal life?

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Jesus said this to the person in Mark 10, not because he thought the person could attain eternal life by keeping the commandments, but to show him the impossibility of doing it.

It’s important to see that the person asked Jesus what he had to do. In effect, Jesus said: OK, if your question is what you have to do, then the answer is: everything. By answering like this, Jesus hoped the young man would come to his senses and realize the impossibility of gaining eternal life by his attempting to keep the commandments.

He is the way said:

So what about the rich man and Lazarus? Should money be our God? Is money more important than the life of a beggar?:
(New Testament | 2 Peter 1:4 - 11)
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Another out of context chase

Phoebe Ann said:

In Mormonism, one thinks he is worthy if he obeyed umpteen laws. If he drinks coffee or tea, he is unworthy. It never occurred to a Mormon that he is always unworthy.

Matthew 15
10 And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand: 11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man...

15 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Declare unto us this parable. 16 And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding? 17 Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught? 18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man. 19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies: 20 These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.

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You forgot one:
(New Testament | Romans 14:17)

17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
That being said there are passages in the Bible concerning what what should and should not be eaten:
(Old Testament | Leviticus 11:2 - 23)

2 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, These are the beasts which ye shall eat among all the beasts that are on the earth.
3 Whatsoever parteth the hoof, and is clovenfooted, and cheweth the cud, among the beasts, that shall ye eat.
4 Nevertheless these shall ye not eat of them that chew the cud, or of them that divide the hoof: as the camel, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.
5 And the coney, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.
6 And the hare, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.
7 And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you.
8 Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcase shall ye not touch; they are unclean to you.
9 ¶ These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat.
10 And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:
11 They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination.
12 Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.
13 ¶ And these are they which ye shall have in abomination among the fowls; they shall not be eaten, they are an abomination: the eagle, and the ossifrage, and the ospray,
14 And the vulture, and the kite after his kind;
15 Every raven after his kind;
16 And the owl, and the night hawk, and the cuckow, and the hawk after his kind,
17 And the little owl, and the cormorant, and the great owl,
18 And the swan, and the pelican, and the gier eagle,
19 And the stork, the heron after her kind, and the lapwing, and the bat.
20 All fowls that creep, going upon all four, shall be an abomination unto you.
21 Yet these may ye eat of every flying creeping thing that goeth upon all four, which have legs above their feet, to leap withal upon the earth;
22 Even these of them ye may eat; the locust after his kind, and the bald locust after his kind, and the beetle after his kind, and the grasshopper after his kind.
23 But all other flying creeping things, which have four feet, shall be an abomination unto you.

Phoebe Ann said:

There were 613 commandments. All have sinned.



Great advice! And who gives heed to His words? Those who have His Spirit!

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All of those who believe in Jesus Christ should do the will of God the Father.

twin.spin said:

Jesus said this to the person in Mark 10, not because he thought the person could attain eternal life by keeping the commandments, but to show him the impossibility of doing it.

It’s important to see that the person asked Jesus what he had to do. In effect, Jesus said: OK, if your question is what you have to do, then the answer is: everything. By answering like this, Jesus hoped the young man would come to his senses and realize the impossibility of gaining eternal life by his attempting to keep the commandments.



Another out of context chase

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(New Testament | John 14:15 - 24)

15 ¶ If ye love me, keep my commandments.
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?
23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
(New Testament | 1 John 2:3 - 6)

3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

He is the way said:

Joseph Smith was in his early 20s when he transcribed the Book of Mormon in just 65 days. During this time he used no notes or any written material of any kind except the golden plates.

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God doesn't need to give books in a foreign language that need to be translated by His prophet--He just tells His prophet what He wants them to know. That is what He has always done. No stones in a hat have ever been needed and the prophet tells what God has told him in his own language in use at the time. They did not speak in the Kings English.

He is the way said:

As I have stated before, a gift can not be earned. The gift is given to those who are worthy to receive it. We are not saved by works nor are we saved without them.

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No one will ever be worthy to receive anhything from God. It is the righteousness of Christ that cleanses our sins and we are then given eternal life, through no act of our own, Those acts are out of love for God because we are saved not in order to show ourselves worthy

mmksparbud said:

No one will ever be worthy to receive anhything from God. It is the righteousness of Christ that cleanses our sins and we are then given eternal life, through no act of our own, Those acts are out of love for God because we are saved not in order to show ourselves worthy

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You've taken away Jesus' authority to judge.

withwonderingawe said:

You've taken away Jesus' authority to judge.

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Absolutely not! He is the Judge! We are inky able to be saved because He gives His blood for our sins---He chooses whom to save and it has nothing to do with works, those come after salvation, not before. Mary washed His feet because she was saved already not in order to be saved. The thief on the cross had no works.

mmksparbud said:

Absolutely not! He is the Judge! We are inky able to be saved because He gives His blood for our sins---He chooses whom to save and it has nothing to do with works, those come after salvation, not before. Mary washed His feet because she was saved already not in order to be saved. The thief on the cross had no works.

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So some he chooses for absolutely no reason and others he sends to hell for absolutely no reason.

withwonderingawe said:

So some he chooses for absolutely no reason and others he sends to hell for absolutely no reason.

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Who said He has no reasons? He is the judge-He knows your heart. He doesn't look at meaningless actions, but the heart, He knows you. I don't know why that is so hard to understand. It is the actions that spring from a heart that loves the Lord that God acknowledges, not the actions that are done in order to gain access to His Father's mansion. The thief could not carry out the actions of his heart, God didn't need to see those, for He saw His heart.

He is the way said:

As I have stated before, a gift can not be earned. The gift is given to those who are worthy to receive it. We are not saved by works nor are we saved without them.

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Are you a Mormon apostle or prophet? I've shown you that all blessings are earned (per Mormonism) and that eternal life is a blessing.

withwonderingawe said:

So some he chooses for absolutely no reason and others he sends to hell for absolutely no reason.

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The only people who are separated from the sheep are those who didn't follow Jesus.

He is the way said:

(New Testament | John 14:15 - 24)

15 ¶ If ye love me, keep my commandments.
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?
23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
(New Testament | 1 John 2:3 - 6)

3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

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Amen! As I told you, we believe the Bible!

He is the way said:

All of those who believe in Jesus Christ should do the will of God the Father.

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Everyone who has been saved loves to keep His commandments!!!! Hallelujah!