Emotional abuse/manipulation by the media, a great deception and form of Satanism...

Neogaia777 · May 1, 2018

GUANO said:
Technically speaking, it could be defined as sorcery. If you're using stories, images, music, etc., to purposely evoke specific spirits (emotional states) then you're practicing magic.

That could be taken to extremes though, to the point where you could say that any kind of stimuli you purposely expose yourself purposely, for any reason could you practicing sorcery...?

But, I think it becomes sorcery when it's against your will, or has a different kind of emotional effect that you were not expecting, or did not intend to have, nor that you wanted to have... When your not in control of (manipulating) it, but it is in control of (manipulating) you...

God Bless!

Der Alte · May 1, 2018

Micah888 said:
It should be noted that these instructions (and others) are for Christians gathering together to worship on the first day of the week.

How does that address the scripture I posted?

On the first day of every week, each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with your income, saving it up, so that when I come no collections will have to be made.

This vs. does allude to Sunday worship but it clearly is a request for donations/offerings

They have no bearing whatsoever on people making public broadcasts and asking for cash. Indeed, if they have been commissioned by their churches to engage in these ministries, then the churches should be supporting them on the basis of 1 Cor 16 etc. and asking the preachers to never mention money. Neither Christ nor the apostles ever asked for remuneration.

Paul wrote several verses requesting donations. See 1 Timothy 5:17-18, 1 Corinthians 11:7-9, 1 Corinthians 16:1-2, Philippians 4:15-18

Actually the Scripture applicable to media evangelists (if genuine) is "Freely ye have received, freely give". This is also supported by Christ sending out the 70 to preach the Gospel and instructing them to simply accept whatever hospitality was provided, making no requests for cash.

See 1 Timothy 5:17-18, 1 Corinthians 11:7-9, 1 Corinthians 16:1-2, Philippians 4:15-18

As to tithes, that is a different subject, and is not applicable to Christian liberality. Tithes were tied to the temple and the Levitical priesthood, but the offerings of Christians are tied to the grace of giving as described by Paul

The scripture also included "offerings" which was grace for the Israelites as well.

Neogaia777 · May 1, 2018

Neogaia777 said:
That could be taken to extremes though, to the point where you could say that any kind of stimuli you purposely expose yourself purposely, for any reason could you practicing sorcery...?

But, I think it becomes sorcery when it's against your will, or has a different kind of emotional effect that you were not expecting, or did not intend to have, nor that you wanted to have... When your not in control of (manipulating) it, but it is in control of (manipulating) you...

God Bless!

So, we have to take back control then... if, and when, and as often as we can, and when we can't or feel unable to, stay out of it or get out it in those times...

Right...?

God Bless!

Neogaia777 · May 1, 2018

Neogaia777 said:
That could be taken to extremes though, to the point where you could say that any kind of stimuli you purposely expose yourself purposely, for any reason could you practicing sorcery...?

But, I think it becomes sorcery when it's against your will, or has a different kind of emotional effect that you were not expecting, or did not intend to have, nor that you wanted to have... When your not in control of (manipulating) it, but it is in control of (manipulating) you...

God Bless!

It feels like a battle of wills...

God Bless!

Celticroots · May 1, 2018

Neogaia777 said:
Celtic music is awesome, almost sounds like angels singing to me...

God Bless!

I love Celtic music! One of my favorite genres. God bless you too!

Tayla · May 1, 2018

Neogaia777 said:
Anyone else "feel" me or know what I'm talking about...?

I am permanently abstaining from TV, news, movies, fiction, pop music, etc. To much despicable and nasty things which I don't want bouncing around in my head.

Neogaia777 · May 1, 2018

jesus316 said:
I am permanently abstaining from TV, news, movies, fiction, pop music, etc. To much despicable and nasty things which I don't want bouncing around in my head.

Yes, I must say, I'm about there too...

But, having to do something, I think I'm only going to do things that bring tranquility and peace, and cause feelings of love, joy, and happiness, ect... and stay away from everything else... Just got to figure out what that is, I guess... To be in only things that cause that state in which to hear from Him and be with Him (God)...

God Bless!

mdamon0501 · May 1, 2018

In my opinion engaging in pop-culture entertainment can be fun, but dangerous. I find the statement: "You are what you consume." To be an entirely true statement, on all sorts of levels both philosophically and metaphysically. I tend to watch movies, read books, listen to music, and even television only when I am running it (as a meditative exercise) through the lens of the Bible.

I don't agree in a Christian Belief which separates you from pop-culture, but I think as Christians we are called to have a perspective on such things which is carefully considered. There are a number of times, where basic principle ideas which the Bible puts forth, can be found in pop-culture media, regardless if they were intended to be there or not. In many instances the people who produce media simply cannot get away from Biblical ideas, even subconsciously.

I have felt at numerous times, a disconnect, in the theater, when a movie is trying to portray a certain political or philosophical stance, which the images on screen do not match.

Similarly a lot of modern shows, whether they mean to or not, deal with Theological Ideas.

Lets for instance take Stranger Things. Its a popular Netflix show that my friends wanted me to watch with them. First and foremost, I see stranger things as an emotional piece, examining the types of existential terrors that people experience when things (like child abduction) happen to them (Hence the name: Stranger Things). In some sense you can separate the science fiction imagery, and interpret it directly as the visual manifestations of the minds of the characters. The most particularly interesting thing about Stranger Things is the names of the characters. Our child Protagonist is named Michael, Michael is a name who's meaning is a question: "Who, is like God?" The experimental girl in the show, her name is shortened to El, which is an ancient form of writing "God" and she just so happens to have supernatural abilities. I do not think that is coincidence. Similarly, the child who is abducted, his name means "Lord" and his Mothers name means "Lord Protector." This mother spends a good amount of the show repeating, "Im going to find him!" "Im going to save him!" so on and so forth, embodying that name pretty well, and in his absence, she is completely incensed at his disappearance.

This was also true of the modern rendition of the movie "IT." Our Protagonist has a list of friends who all represent a separate part of his personality. There is the smart book worm, the spiritual Jewish character, the Charismatic and Brave adventurer, and all of them one by one, get locked into rooms with the clown. The only two characters in this film, in my opinion, that are actually real, are our Protagonist and his Love interest. Both are dealing with different types of fear which is represented by the clown. Both are dealing with the fear of growing up, although the manifest differences of their experience are made apparent in the film. There was no doubt in my mind that when blood was coming out of the sink and covering the restroom walls with our Female Heroin, that this was a direct metaphor to her fear of getting her first period. Nevertheless, our Adventurers go on a quest to save our Male Protagonists brother from the clutches of the clown. You will notice in the film that his parents are never shown, and never directly give their input into the disappearance of his brother, who represents his fear of letting go of his own boyhood. Its only by going into the deep dungeon and facing the fear: the clown, that they are able to defeat him, nevertheless his brother is never actually saved. Our adventurers even make a comment that they will be back to the town again when they are in their twenties, which I would consider to be a logical next step for a continuation because being in your early twenties is often a shock for a lot of individuals.

Tayla · May 1, 2018

Neogaia777 said:
I think I'm only going to do things that bring tranquility and peace, and cause feelings of love, joy, and happiness, ect... and stay away from everything else...

Of course I still listen to the Beatles. Can't give that up.

Micah888 · May 1, 2018

Der Alter said:
How does that address the scripture I posted?
On the first day of every week, each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with your income, saving it up, so that when I come no collections will have to be made.This vs. does allude to Sunday worship but it clearly is a request for donations/offerings

There is a huge difference between Christians bringing their offerings to the Lord as an act of worship on the Lord's Day as laid down in Scripture, and people going on TV, radio, and the Internet and asking for donations.

Televangelists have brought great shame to Christ and Christianity with this practice, and after that enriched themselves personally (as seen among WOF preachers). Many believe they are entitled to huge salaries, luxury cars, luxury manisions, private jets, etc.

So when we look at Scripture Christians supported missionaries through their local church offerings, but the missionaries never went around asking for cash. Indeed, they would not do so on principle.

3 JOHN

5 Beloved, thou doest faithfully whatsoever thou doest to the brethren, and to strangers;

6 Which have borne witness of thy charity before the church: whom if thou bring forward on their journey after a godly sort, thou shalt do well:

7 Because that for his name's sake they went forth, taking nothing of the Gentiles.

8 We therefore ought to receive such, that we might be fellowhelpers to the truth.

Der Alte · May 1, 2018

Micah888 said:
There is a huge difference between Christians bringing their offerings to the Lord as an act of worship on the Lord's Day as laid down in Scripture, and people going on TV, radio, and the Internet and asking for donations.

In all of these verses Paul is asking for offerings.
1 Timothy 5:17-18, 1 Corinthians 11:7-9, 1 Corinthians 16:1-2, Philippians 4:15-18

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Televangelists have brought great shame to Christ and Christianity with this practice, and after that enriched themselves personally (as seen among WOF preachers). Many believe they are entitled to huge salaries, luxury cars, luxury manisions, private jets, etc.

end

Don't paint them all with the same broad brush. There was never a hint of scandal or impropriety attached to Billy Graham.

begin

So when we look at Scripture Christians supported missionaries through their local church offerings, but the missionaries never went around asking for cash. Indeed, they would not do so on principle.

end

In some denominations they do.

3 JOHN
5 Beloved, thou doest faithfully whatsoever thou doest to the brethren, and to strangers;
6 Which have borne witness of thy charity before the church: whom if thou bring forward on their journey after a godly sort, thou shalt do well:
7 Because that for his name's sake they went forth, taking nothing of the Gentiles.
8 We therefore ought to receive such, that we might be fellowhelpers to the truth.

2 Corinthians 9:6-8
(6) Remember this: Whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows generously will also reap generously.
(7) Each of you should give what you have decided in your heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.
Romans 12:8
(8) if it is to encourage, then give encouragement; if it is giving, then give generously; if it is to lead, do it diligently; if it is to show mercy, do it cheerfully.

Stormy · May 1, 2018

I have never found God on television. A few times in a Catholic Church I have felt his presence. But mostly ... For me... God is outside in nature and quiet. He is always there waiting for me to tell him my prayers.

marineimaging · May 1, 2018

Neogaia777 said:
I decided to watch a T.V. preaching program by Jenzten Franklin, (don't know why I did but just thought I would) (I don't usually watch him), and after he was done preaching (and right before he was to ask for some money), A testimony from a lady started that said she was pregnant, and thinking about abortion... But she heard the babies heartbeat on the sonogram and just couldn't go through with it...

So, she had the baby (no red flags going up up to this point) and said that the Father had asked her to "just trust him with the baby for one night" (this is when red flags started to go up for me and I started thinking "oh, crap, what's gonna happen or be the story now"), and knew it was going to be bad, (which made me panic and my panic button got hit and I steeled myself and a wall went up for me), (I instantly started thinking/wondering sexual and/or physical abuse, or that he would have beat the baby (to death) or something like that, by the man)... Turns out the girlfriend of the guy put a pillow over it's head, cause she couldn't handle the crying, she said just for a minute, and the baby got suffocated to death...

The woman telling the story started crying, and while I felt bad, I couldn't cry with her or them, cause a wall had went up for me... And that always fills me with regret and makes me feel bad, on top of what I initially started thinking... It was supposed to touching, but I could not feel it with her/them, she said she was very upset with God and the woman but eventually forgave her...

I got ticked off afterwards, especially when after that, they started asking for money... I started talking to God about it, and said that this was one of main problems with television and the media in general... For the mainstream media does it sometimes too, and it is all about money, and getting people to fall to their knees before a false god/idol... I refuse every time...

I started talking to/with God, and told I was "angry" and started venting, I told him I was so very sick of this emotional/mental abuse and psychological manipulation by the media, who's motives are far from pure... I told him it was even "Satanic" and a grand deception and was just so very "wrong" on so many levels, and told him no wonder were having shootings and killings and people going crazy, and the country was ripping itself apart... And told him I even wondered if this wasn't some kind of conspiracy to bring down America or western society by "whomever"... No wonder this country is ripping itself apart (I said)...

People watch the media to be entertained or learn, not to be "screwed" (by them/it) in so many very wrong ways... I was very upset, for it has happened to me before... Though I couldn't quite explain it till now... It would be one thing if I "volunteered" to be exposed to that crap/stuff, by "real people" face to face, or one on one with them, cause that would be an entirely different story and issue...

I said it was Satanic and they were a bunch of succubuse's, sucking and draining everyone dry of any kind of feeling or emotion and making everyone cold, or otherwise "burn" eternally... They (the media) are purposely exasterbating us, (the people) and manipulating us and psychologically "screwing us" in so many very wrong ways, and told God just how just very, very wrong it was... And that it is a false god... And, I refused to fall or bow before it...

And most people are just so hopelessly "hooked" to these abusers... Their addicted to it, something that is and is just so very, very, very wrong...

Needless to say, I try my best to pick and choose my media very, very carefully, but am still sometimes caught of guard sometimes by things like this... A wall goes up for me and I cannot help it, and I use to beat myself up over it a lot, blaming myself, for the thoughts I had, wondering what was wrong with me, when all the while, it was them all along...

Anyone else "feel" me or know what I'm talking about...?

Like I said, it would be much different "in person" or person to person... And (no offense women), but many women (and overly emotional men) do this as well, try to abusively get some kind of emotion out of you, and get upset if it doesn't happen, and are never even satisfied even if and when it does either... What the hell do they want...? What do you expect...? Sucking people dry, and wondering why most men get dry or cold emotionally... It's "abuse" in it's worse kind of form if you ask me...

I don't want to become cold, and am really trying hard not to, but I don't want to "burn" either...

Anyone else "feel" me or know what I'm talking about...?

Comments...?

God Bless!

Yes, and to make it all right this is what I have learned to do. When I put my tithe into the offering plate I might put in a little extra for the mission fund or something our church sponsors. I know the elders and pastor personally and I know that they will treat every penny of our tithe and offerings with respect as if it was something we gave to God and they were entrusted with..., because we did and they are. And I wonder what those charlatans will think when they find out I gave the offering they were trying to twist our feelings for to our local church and through it to spread the Word of God in our community. The same goes for when the local eatery tries to shame me into giving up my change from the purchase for some non-religion or cause they support. Yep, throw an extra 10 or 20 in and mark it for the LA Baptist Church we are helping plant, or our missions in Uganda, or China. Next time I go thorough the line and they want to "ring the bell" for my generous donation to their cause I tell them I gave to the church we planted in California. And they look at me like I am a leech or something. Whaaat? No ring a ding for me? It feels so good - and I mean that with humility.

Micah888 · May 1, 2018

Der Alter said:
In all of these verses Paul is asking for offerings.

But NOT FOR HIMSELF.

Efosa · May 2, 2018

Neogaia777 said:
I decided to watch a T.V. preaching program by Jenzten Franklin, (don't know why I did but just thought I would) (I don't usually watch him), and after he was done preaching (and right before he was to ask for some money), A testimony from a lady started that said she was pregnant, and thinking about abortion... But she heard the babies heartbeat on the sonogram and just couldn't go through with it...

So, she had the baby (no red flags going up up to this point) and said that the Father had asked her to "just trust him with the baby for one night" (this is when red flags started to go up for me and I started thinking "oh, crap, what's gonna happen or be the story now"), and knew it was going to be bad, (which made me panic and my panic button got hit and I steeled myself and a wall went up for me), (I instantly started thinking/wondering sexual and/or physical abuse, or that he would have beat the baby (to death) or something like that, by the man)... Turns out the girlfriend of the guy put a pillow over it's head, cause she couldn't handle the crying, she said just for a minute, and the baby got suffocated to death...

The woman telling the story started crying, and while I felt bad, I couldn't cry with her or them, cause a wall had went up for me... And that always fills me with regret and makes me feel bad, on top of what I initially started thinking... It was supposed to touching, but I could not feel it with her/them, she said she was very upset with God and the woman but eventually forgave her...

I got ticked off afterwards, especially when after that, they started asking for money... I started talking to God about it, and said that this was one of main problems with television and the media in general... For the mainstream media does it sometimes too, and it is all about money, and getting people to fall to their knees before a false god/idol... I refuse every time...

I started talking to/with God, and told I was "angry" and started venting, I told him I was so very sick of this emotional/mental abuse and psychological manipulation by the media, who's motives are far from pure... I told him it was even "Satanic" and a grand deception and was just so very "wrong" on so many levels, and told him no wonder were having shootings and killings and people going crazy, and the country was ripping itself apart... And told him I even wondered if this wasn't some kind of conspiracy to bring down America or western society by "whomever"... No wonder this country is ripping itself apart (I said)...

People watch the media to be entertained or learn, not to be "screwed" (by them/it) in so many very wrong ways... I was very upset, for it has happened to me before... Though I couldn't quite explain it till now... It would be one thing if I "volunteered" to be exposed to that crap/stuff, by "real people" face to face, or one on one with them, cause that would be an entirely different story and issue...

I said it was Satanic and they were a bunch of succubuse's, sucking and draining everyone dry of any kind of feeling or emotion and making everyone cold, or otherwise "burn" eternally... They (the media) are purposely exasterbating us, (the people) and manipulating us and psychologically "screwing us" in so many very wrong ways, and told God just how just very, very wrong it was... And that it is a false god... And, I refused to fall or bow before it...

And most people are just so hopelessly "hooked" to these abusers... Their addicted to it, something that is and is just so very, very, very wrong...

Needless to say, I try my best to pick and choose my media very, very carefully, but am still sometimes caught of guard sometimes by things like this... A wall goes up for me and I cannot help it, and I use to beat myself up over it a lot, blaming myself, for the thoughts I had, wondering what was wrong with me, when all the while, it was them all along...

Anyone else "feel" me or know what I'm talking about...?

Like I said, it would be much different "in person" or person to person... And (no offense women), but many women (and overly emotional men) do this as well, try to abusively get some kind of emotion out of you, and get upset if it doesn't happen, and are never even satisfied even if and when it does either... What the hell do they want...? What do you expect...? Sucking people dry, and wondering why most men get dry or cold emotionally... It's "abuse" in it's worse kind of form if you ask me...

I don't want to become cold, and am really trying hard not to, but I don't want to "burn" either...

Anyone else "feel" me or know what I'm talking about...?

Comments...?

God Bless!

Efosa · May 2, 2018

Do you know something? I watched that same program you watched. I think it was about the veterans home for women or something like that.

I understand why you are very careful about what you watch. It is important to be careful. What I’m struggling to understand is why you felt that way after watching. I didn’t feel that way and I wanted to give except I didn’t really have the money to give.

I think you were led by your feelings there rather listening to the Holy Spirit. Some preachers are actually doing great things with the money they receive.

What you could have done is to
simply pray to God and ask Him if you should give. Simple! But to start calling the whole thing “satanic” is taking it very far if you ask me and to post it here is only going to cause division among us brothers and sisters in Christ. Read Romans 14 (the whole chapter). It should help you understand where I’m coming from. God bless you.

GUANO · May 2, 2018

Neogaia777 said:
They're using, or your using...?

I mean I mainly want to be taught things, and I know some use for entertainment, or to provoke certain emotional states, but I seek knowledge, and to learn from it, and try to be very selective with it to custom tailor it to that purpose, but no real emotional state being sought from it there though...?

Now they are most certainly using for that (to provoke certain emotional states in people), for very sinister motives much of the time...

God Bless!

"They're", "You're", either way, it's 'magic'.

I've studied the occult for many years (never practicing anything of course) and the main eye opener is really how engrained into society things like "sorcery" and "ritual magic" are---it really transcends any other supposed "religion".

Christians are stuck believing in Dark Ages superstitions while their 'enemy' is far more advanced in terms of spiritual/mental understanding.

GUANO · May 2, 2018

Neogaia777 said:
That could be taken to extremes though, to the point where you could say that any kind of stimuli you purposely expose yourself purposely, for any reason could you practicing sorcery...?

But, I think it becomes sorcery when it's against your will, or has a different kind of emotional effect that you were not expecting, or did not intend to have, nor that you wanted to have... When your not in control of (manipulating) it, but it is in control of (manipulating) you...

God Bless!

"Spirits" are evoked through a wide range of natural and manipulated circumstances. One must always take the time to judge each and every one of his or her own spirits (motivating principles) and prevent, to the best of one's abilities, words, actions, or behaviors from being influenced by daimones. Once you become aware of spiritual matters you realize that it's not even people that you're up against, it's your self---The 'spirits' don't come from other people at all, they come from you. Others can simply 'evoke' them into positions of influence and most people don't even know what they're doing because they themselves are on daimonic auto-pilot.

Sorcery is a thing, it's still sorcery even if the person doesn't know they're doing it. It's so basic, so primitive and it's in everything you do. Simply clothing yourself is, in itself, a magical rite.

fat wee robin · May 2, 2018

Neogaia777 said:
Anyone else kind of "furious" about this...?

God Bless!

Yes ,the other night just after a family kind of programme ,I want into shock because without any warning, it changed to a inappropriate contentographic horror.Even although I changed toute de suite the image made
me cry out in disgust at such depravity at a time on Sunday when young people ,or anybody might be watching .
I tried to get in contact with the French CSA which is supposed to monitor this kind of thing ,but they
are making it too difficult . I truly hate these kind if low lifes who poison us daily .

fat wee robin · May 2, 2018

GUANO said:
"Spirits" are evoked through a wide range of natural and manipulated circumstances. One must always take the time to judge each and every one of his or her own spirits (motivating principles) and prevent, to the best of one's abilities, words, actions, or behaviors from being influenced by daimones. Once you become aware of spiritual matters you realize that it's not even people that you're up against, it's your self---The 'spirits' don't come from other people at all, they come from you. Others can simply 'evoke' them into positions of influence and most people don't even know what they're doing because they themselves are on daimonic auto-pilot.

Sorcery is a thing, it's still sorcery even if the person doesn't know they're doing it. It's so basic, so primitive and it's in everything you do. Simply clothing yourself is, in itself, a magical rite.

On ignore, for your 'dark' influence and anti -christian propaganda .

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