Racial supremacy and separatism is correct and wise and good

Inkfingers said:

Nope. I'm taking them in full context, saying they are not speaking of the races we commonly think of today, but which do all the same posit two races (and that we are either one or the other - one being superior over the other).

You may not like that, but to try to wriggle about it being out of context is just empty.

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Jesus took up for ALL on the Cross!

(1 John 2:2, John 3:16)

There are three things God hates and a lying tongue is one of them.

Alright, so what about your own actions? You will know them by their fruits my friend. Your entire motive, as testified by your responses was to present your superiority to us all. Which I'm sorry, is much more heavily preached against in the Scripture than support for your presupposition about there being superior spiritual races on earth.

I would argue that if one principle is contradicted by another, then you are in error.

Inkfingers said:

Nope. I'm taking them in full context, saying they are not speaking of the races we commonly think of today, but which do all the same posit two races (and that we are either one or the other - one being superior over the other).

You may not like that, but to try to wriggle about it being out of context is just empty.

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You are correct my friend "YOU" posit it. Anyone who tries to make God be saying that "racial separatism" and "racial superiority" is correct and good, either has personal motive or is themselves vile and corrupt. Since I do not know you I must assume the former.

Inkfingers said:

Yes, God hates a lying tongue. Which would include tongues that ignore/deny that I've already said that I'm not talking about black/white/Greek/Jew as people would see if they actually read a post rather than just reacted to it.

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So, if I even use the word "race", I am inherently lying and did not read your post?

Inkfingers said:

No, if you present me as speaking of black/white/etc when I explicitly say that is NOT what I am speaking of, you yourself are misrepresenting me.

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Which I never did, so I'm just trying to figure out where exactly where your impassioned defense is targeted.

Inkfingers said:

No, if you present me as speaking of black/white/etc when I explicitly say that is NOT what I am speaking of, you yourself are misrepresenting me.

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A race:

a grouping of humans based on shared physical or social qualities into categories generally viewed as inherently distinct by society. First used to refer to speakers of a common language and then to denote national affiliations, by the 17th century the term race began to refer to physical (phenotypical) traits. Modern scholarship regards race as a social construct, that is, a symbolic identity created to establish some cultural meaning.

Or

In biological taxonomy, race is an informal rank in the taxonomic hierarchy, below the level of subspecies. It has been used as a higher rank than strain, with several strains making up one race.

In both definitions “race” is a man-made system of categorization and not remotely associated with the original sense conveyed by the Greek word “genos” which is more properly “generation” or “peoples” meaning a specific or general genetic lineage or members of the same nation.

But I say that you knew all too well how such terms (racial separatism and racial superiority) would be associated in the ear of a modern hearer. This was done intentionally so one could escape the consequence of rebuke by vascillating within some obscurity in one’s redefinition (a common technique among propagandists and some rhetoricians of the critical school).

Need I provide examples?

This was an unfortunate thread that can really lead to no good at all.

Inkfingers said:

It sharply divides the superior sheep and wheat from the inferior goats, tares, and chaff, and utterly condemns the latter. (2 Corinthians 6:17) (Matthew 13:24-30) (Matthew 25:31-46) (John 3:18). Christ brings a sword (Matthew 10:34-36)

If you are not a Christian racial supremacist and separatist, you have some explaining to do...

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I will explain. God can judge, people can not judge becasue we lack
critical information that separates the clean from the unclean.
In ye days of olden, women were untouchable and unclean during
their cycles.

That's enough thought on this topic.

This just doesn't seem to fit very well with the example Jesus gave us in His ministry on Earth.

Inkfingers said:

Nope, you are mistaken. Hence the use of the words Genos and Ethnos in 1 Peter 2:9. Hence we have a new father (Matthew 23:9) and new brothers and sisters (Matthew 12:46-50), and how Christ brings a sword to divide (Matthew 10:34-35). Hence being told to separate (2 Corinthians 6:17).

You can try to deny that all you like, but the Children of God are a new race set apart from the Children of Satan that we are all born as. This isn't simply a different club membership. Its a different heart, from a different father, with different brothers and sisters.

Alas though people are scared of the politics of that, especially in a liberal age in which the idea of an exclusive and elitist church (Matthew 22:14, Matthew 7:14) is an offense to their personal sensibilities.

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Yes a different FAMILY, due to a transformed spiritual nature, not a different race. Feel free to continue to convince yourself. A new creature, not a variation of the same creature. It is not an offense to my personal sensibilities, it is just incorrect in any sense. There is no emotionalism here just consideration of the whole word of God (who is NOT a respecter of persons).

It is God who makes and puts the soul in each person when we are born. He does not make us "children of Satan" we become that when WE make his way (Genesis 3:1-4) our way (self as lord - Gen. 3:5), instead of YHVH.

OUR SIN separates us from God (Isa. 59:2). He does not make us separated, nor does He desire or will at any time that we should be separate from Him (1 Timothy 2:3-4). WE choose to be our own lord deciding good and evil for ourselves doing what we see as being right in our own eyes (the main subject matter and point of the Books of Kings), and this is when we become separate.

Children, are a gift from God (a little devil would be no gift He would give) see Psalm 127. They are reckoned to be like arrows, which the Psalmist says blessed is the one whose quiver is full (read also Psalm 139). God loves the little children and Jesus reckons them to be like the Kingdom of God (is the Kingdom of God a tribe of little devils?) and we know this because of what the word declares will happen to any who hurt them and that His angel beholds their face (Matthew 18:10).

This idea of being born evil (that some reformed and some Roman Catholics believe) is itself the work of the devil. We inherit death from Adam as if that is not bad enough, but we are not held responsible to pay for his sin, the word is clear on that much.

Job 10:8, “Your hands shaped me and made me.”

In Psalm 139, he wrote, “For You formed my inward parts; You covered me in my mother’s womb. I will praise you; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made...”

Psalm 199:3, “Know ye that the Lord is God; it is He that has made us, and not we ourselves.

Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Isaiah 42:5 Thus says God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which comes out of it; he that gives breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk in it.

Isaiah 57:16 For I will not contend for ever, neither will I be always wroth: for the spirit should fail before me, and the souls which I have made.

Zech.12:1 This is the word of the LORD concerning Israel. The LORD, who stretches out the heavens, who lays the foundation of the earth, and who forms the spirit of man within him.

So the scriptures establish that it is God who makes, creates, the spirit in a person when they are formed. Are we saying that God creates dead spirits (eternally separated by sin) in people? Are condemned souls what He forms in unborn infants? Evil, despicable people, guilty and judged who have not even yet sinned? God forbid!

Inkfingers said:

Nope, you are mistaken. Hence the use of the words Genos and Ethnos in 1 Peter 2:9. Hence we have a new father (Matthew 23:9) and new brothers and sisters (Matthew 12:46-50), and how Christ brings a sword to divide (Matthew 10:34-35). Hence being told to separate (2 Corinthians 6:17).

You can try to deny that all you like, but the Children of God are a new race set apart from the Children of Satan that we are all born as. This isn't simply a different club membership. Its a different heart, from a different father, with different brothers and sisters.

Alas though people are scared of the politics of that, especially in a liberal age in which the idea of an exclusive and elitist church (Matthew 22:14, Matthew 7:14) is an offense to their personal sensibilities.

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You want to start or belong to exclusive and elitist church... There is many of them already... and their called "cults"... (for reason)...

And insist that it (that one) is the one and only true church...? and that only certain members who believe in and subscribe to their doctrine or elitist ways or rules or belief system, (law) can get in or belong to it...?

Is that the way the early churches did it...? You think Jesus would approve of something like that...? One(s) that look down on everyone else not like them, or believing the way they do, or belonging to them...?

Or would Jesus reject a church like that...? Say "he never knew you"...? And choose the other "less perfect" churches instead...?

God Bless!

Inkfingers said:

Nope, you are mistaken. Hence the use of the words Genos and Ethnos in 1 Peter 2:9. Hence we have a new father (Matthew 23:9) and new brothers and sisters (Matthew 12:46-50), and how Christ brings a sword to divide (Matthew 10:34-35). Hence being told to separate (2 Corinthians 6:17).

You can try to deny that all you like, but the Children of God are a new race set apart from the Children of Satan that we are all born as. This isn't simply a different club membership. Its a different heart, from a different father, with different brothers and sisters.

Alas though people are scared of the politics of that, especially in a liberal age in which the idea of an exclusive and elitist church (Matthew 22:14, Matthew 7:14) is an offense to their personal sensibilities.

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You think you can tell, or that we can judge the "true children of God" from the "true children of Satan"...?

Interesting...?

God Bless!

Neogaia777 said:

You think you can tell, or that we can judge the "true children of God" from the "true children of Satan"...?

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No human can do that. We can observe behavior and make inferences, but what is in the soul of each of us is known only to God.

Thank God for that.

The Barbarian said:

No human can do that. We can observe behavior and make inferences, but what is in the soul of each of us is known only to God.

Thank God for that.

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Or heart, God judges the hearts, and we cannot... and I've went over this with him already earlier in this thread, but he just won't give it up, so...

He just doesn't seem to know or see, (or refuses to see) just how utterly wrong the line of thinking he is suggesting is, so...

I would ask him just what is his "heart" in this (line of thought or thinking) and if it was good, or from God, or is a Godly, inspired of the Spirit of God, Godly thing or not...?

God Bless!

We should always be in the world, but not of it. As Jesus was during His ministry, we should always be engaged in the world, showing the lost a way out of the cycle of death for one who is of the world. Even those angry at God, crave His light and goodness.

"The soul always turns toward a light that it does not yet perceive, a light yet to be born, in the hope of being delivered from its present darkness, the darkness of waiting, a darkness that cannot be prolonged without dragging it in some way toward an organic dissolution."
Gabriel Marcel, Homo Viator

It is our calling to be the way for others to find Him.