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Jesus taught us there is just one teacher, and I assume he was talking about the Holy Spirit:

But you are not to be called rabbi, for you have one teacher, and you are all brethren. Mat 23:8 RSV

But Paul calls himself a teacher:

[11] For this gospel I was appointed a preacher and apostle and teacher,
[12] and therefore I suffer as I do. But I am not ashamed, for I know whom I have believed, and I am sure that he is able to guard until that Day what has been entrusted to me. 2 Tim 1:11-12 RSV

Can someone sort this out for me?
 
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Jesus taught us there is just one teacher, and I assume he was talking about the Holy Spirit:

But you are not to be called rabbi, for you have one teacher, and you are all brethren. Mat 23:8 RSV

But Paul calls himself a teacher:

[11] For this gospel I was appointed a preacher and apostle and teacher,
[12] and therefore I suffer as I do. But I am not ashamed, for I know whom I have believed, and I am sure that he is able to guard until that Day what has been entrusted to me. 2 Tim 1:11-12 RSV

Can someone sort this out for me?
When somebody is called to do a work for God (a teacher for example) he is given the Spirit to help him in that capacity. Read Exodus 35:30-35 as an example. So if somebody is called by God, filled by the Spirit to teach, and is teaching as God has given direction... then the Spirit is still the teacher.

As for not calling a man "rabbi," I suspect that this isn't what we think of a rabbi today. The Hebrew word "rav" means "great one" and I think this is more in lines with not giving praises to man rather than understanding that God does have people whom He uses to teach. So Paul could be called rabbi (teacher) and not be against Scripture but also not accepting the praises of man when they consider him the great one and not the one in him giving that direction.
 
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He also called himself the father of other Christians.
But "father" in that sense just means one who came before. They all called Abraham "father" but not in the "God" sense, rather, in the "he came before us" sense. It is a Hebraic idiom when used as Paul did.
 
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Jesus taught us there is just one teacher, and I assume he was talking about the Holy Spirit:
At the time that Jesus was talking about this, it was too early to bring up the spiritual gifts, one of them being the gift of teacher.
But Paul calls himself a teacher
Absolutely. The apostle Paul had multiple spiritual gifts, including those of apostle, prophet, pastor, teacher, and many of the sign gifts including signs, wonders , miracles, healings, tongues, etc.

So the way to look at this is that there is only ONE Divine Teacher -- the Holy Spirit -- who teaches all Christians (those indwelt by the Spirit) from the Scriptures the truths concerning Christ, God, the Gospel, and all Bible truth (doctrine).

But in addition to that God gives the individuals within the local churches spiritual gifts for the edifying or building up of the Body of Christ. One of those gifts is the gift of teacher.

EPHESIANS 4
11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:...

Some people claim that because Scripture says "pastors and teachers" it combines both gifts. But that is not correct. Many pastors (shepherds) are poor teachers, and many teachers are poor shepherds.
 
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At the time that Jesus was talking about this, it was too early to bring up the spiritual gifts, one of them being the gift of teacher.

Absolutely. The apostle Paul had multiple spiritual gifts, including those of apostle, prophet, pastor, teacher, and many of the sign gifts including signs, wonders , miracles, healings, tongues, etc.

So the way to look at this is that there is only ONE Divine Teacher -- the Holy Spirit -- who teaches all Christians (those indwelt by the Spirit) from the Scriptures the truths concerning Christ, God, the Gospel, and all Bible truth (doctrine).

But in addition to that God gives the individuals within the local churches spiritual gifts for the edifying or building up of the Body of Christ. One of those gifts is the gift of teacher.

EPHESIANS 4
11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:...

Some people claim that because Scripture says "pastors and teachers" it combines both gifts. But that is not correct. Many pastors (shepherds) are poor teachers, and many teachers are poor shepherds.
That would mean Jesus was telling an untruth. I don't believe that.
 
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He also called himself the father of other Christians.
We gotta grow up sometime.

1 Corinthians 3:3 And I, brethren, could not speak to you as to spiritual men, but as to men of flesh, as to infants in Christ.
 
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That would mean Jesus was telling an untruth. I don't believe that.
Are you suggesting that over half the New Testament is not really Scripture? You have been provided with Scripture, but it is up to you to believe it.
 
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Are you suggesting that over half the New Testament is not really Scripture? You have been provided with Scripture, but it is up to you to believe it.
No, I am saying that if Jesus Christ told us not to call ourselves teachers, then we aren't to call ourselves teachers.
 
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No, I am saying that if Jesus Christ told us not to call ourselves teachers, then we aren't to call ourselves teachers.
We don't have to "call ourselves" teachers, but demonstrate to others that we are CALLED TO BE teachers. By their fruits ye shall know them, applies to both genuine teachers and false teachers.

There are a lot of false teachers on radio, TV, and the Internet. But Christians should know what the Bible teaches in order to discern this.
 
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We dont need teachers. Sounds crazy right? Well its true.
How can it be true when Scripture says the opposite? Why would God give the spiritual gifts of evangelists, pastors, and teachers, if they were not essential? Kindly study Ephesians 4 (and other related passages).
 
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How can it be true when Scripture says the opposite? Why would God give the spiritual gifts of evangelists, pastors, and teachers, if they were not essential? Kindly study Ephesians 4 (and other related passages).
Sure God can use any spiritual person to lead infants in christ into adulthood. But so can the scriptures do that as well. I believe God sent apostles and teachers when he was building His church. They were His builders. What they have built is the NT scriptures, which can surely teach anyone who seeks truth and the way.
 
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2 Timothy 3:4 But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have become convinced of, because you know those from whom you learned it, 15 and how from infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.

16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God[a] may be thoroughly equipped for every good work
 
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The fact that some believers began to form factions based on who they received baptism from prompted Paul to remind them that the teachings they reveived from Cephas Apollos or Paul himself were all from Christ and Christ from God.

This was a different idea from what prevailed at that time. Different factions had different teachings depending on who they followed, and two major factions in Judaism were the two rabbinical schools of Hillel and Shimei. You could say that a rabbi is one who created new doctrine, original material, with no foundation on Scripture, but on tradition.

Jesus was teaching against that. All teachings needed to be built on the teachings of the law and the prophets, Scripture, Torah.

Mark 7
1The Pharisees and some of the scribes gathered around Him when they had come from Jerusalem, 2and had seen that some of His disciples were eating their bread with impure hands, that is, unwashed. 3(For the Pharisees and all the Jews do not eat unless they carefully wash their hands, thusobserving the traditions of the elders; 4and when they come from the market place, they do not eat unless they cleanse themselves; and there are many other things which they have received in order to observe, such as the washing of cups and pitchers and copper pots.) 5The Pharisees and the scribes asked Him, “Why do Your disciples not walk according to the tradition of the elders, but eat their bread with impure hands?”

6And He said to them, “Rightly did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written:
‘THIS PEOPLE HONORS ME WITH THEIR LIPS,
BUT THEIR HEART IS FAR AWAY FROM ME.

7‘BUT IN VAIN DO THEY WORSHIP ME,
TEACHING AS DOCTRINES THE PRECEPTS OF MEN.’

8“Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men.”

9He was also saying to them, “You are experts at setting aside the commandment of God in order to keep your tradition. 10“For Moses said, ‘HONOR YOUR FATHER AND YOUR MOTHER’; and, ‘HE WHO SPEAKS EVIL OF FATHER OR MOTHER, IS TO BE PUT TO DEATH’;11but you say, ‘If a man says to his father or his mother, whatever I have that would help you is Corban (that is to say, given to God),’12you no longer permit him to do anything for his father or his mother; 13thus invalidating the word of God by your tradition which you have handed down; and you do many things such as that.”
 
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I think it means not to call OURSELVES teachers. Don’t seek to be teachers for they will be judged more strictly. However, some are CALLED to be teachers by God, and that’s different.
 
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We don't have to "call ourselves" teachers, but demonstrate to others that we are CALLED TO BE teachers. By their fruits ye shall know them, applies to both genuine teachers and false teachers.

There are a lot of false teachers on radio, TV, and the Internet. But Christians should know what the Bible teaches in order to discern this.
I'm sure we all teach a little, but we are not to call ourselves teachers, according to Jesus.
 
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I think it means not to call OURSELVES teachers. Don’t seek to be teachers for they will be judged more strictly. However, some are CALLED to be teachers by God, and that’s different.
I'm sure we all teach from time to time, but Jesus said not to call ourselves teachers. Perhaps that is what you were saying.
 
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I'm sure we all teach from time to time, but Jesus said not to call ourselves teachers. Perhaps that is what you were saying.

Kind of. I do not think He meant for us to not use the title of teacher if that is our occupation. For example, my occupation is to teach prekindergarten, thus I am a teacher. However, I think that he meant that we should not presume to become teachers (thus calling ourselves teachers) without His calling. He is the one who calls us teachers, not us. Once He places that calling on our lives and then we follow through and become a teacher, we use that title. It is not up to us to decide whether we are teachers or not. As James admonishes us in James 3, not many of us should presume to be teachers because the things we say cannot be taken back and will spread. If God places the calling of "teacher" on our lives and we are walking in that calling, He will give us the words to speak into the lives of those we are teaching. Thus it is Him teaching through us and not necessarily us teaching. We are teachers in the sense that we are the mouthpiece He has chosen.
 
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